sizzlingdoom

	Jeff Zrebiec (@jeffzrebiecsun)
4/27/17, 11:35 PM Let's be clear about Marlon Humphrey. He was considered a lock 1st round pick so I wouldn't consider it a reach by the Ravens.

 

If you take a player at 16 overall, in one of the most talented drafts of all time...................
I would certainly hope he was considered a 1rst round lock?!?!?! LOL
But he wasn't even.... :( I've seen him in the middle of the second in almost every mock for weeks now
I wouldn't have even considered him at 47 overall! And I put that in multiple posts before today too btw. There are more than a handful of corners still on the board that are better. That can actually cover down the field...........lol
But he went to Alabama....and ran fast in shorts....SWEET
Ozzie continues to amaze, in the worst way possible
I thought he was back on track after this FA, but the Drafts, the most important 3 days for every NFL franchise, are still our downfall.
The went from a strength for us, to a serious weakness. There's a reason we're not only missing out on the big games in January and February these days, but we can't even make the playoffs now. SAD

The draft is LITERALLY around 14% complete and people are giving up on the draft and saying Oz needs to hang it up? Lol yup, I agree that this board should close. 

1 divided by 7, good job. But lets think about it, I think a first round pick is a little more important than the rest.
Plus, those comments aren't based off of 1 pick. You know that!
It's based off of our opinion of this 1rst round pick ( and many other non Ravens fans), but also more importantly the WHIFFS that have been happening in the high rounds for years and years now. There's a reason we have fallen off big time from what we used to be year after year.
The Ravens themselves even admitted before this draft how they've been screwing up big time in recent drafts, and how it's bringing the team down.
It's one thing if our first and second rounders turn into good players, or even average players that find a way to contribute just a little to a win here or there, but we are picking 1rst and 2nd round picks that can't even stay in the league. Can't stay competitive, let alone challenge for SuperBowls when you have first and second round picks like that, year after year, after year.
Maxx
Perriman
KC
Elam
AB
just to name a few 1rst and 2nd rounders from the past few years

We take the 2nd best CB in this year's draft (after Sidney Jones' injury) and Ravens fans are still complaining! Fans have been crying for CB help after seeing the Ravens blow numerous late 4th Qtr leads.....because of a weak secondary.....and now we have one of the NFL's best secondaries and still no love. (Even when we know about Jimmy Smith's durability issue).

Yes, we could have gone with one of the other 3 Alabama players still on the board but we do NOT need another DT or TE and Foster must have had some issues/red flags or he would not have lasted until the 31st pick.

These coaches look at thousands of hours of film and game tape, but obviously some fans know much more than the coaches. Send an email or give Owner Steve Bisciotti a phone call.....he may be hiring!

Yes we do need DTs.
We didn't get any pressure from our line last year and Allen was rated as the 2nd best player in the draft by many
OJ will be an ALL PRO and top 4 TE from day 1. We have Pitta that can't block, and a bunch of guys that are overrated as well and can't get on the field
Foster is a pro bowler day 1
Even though our 3 starting corners are set, a lot of us still wanted a corner, and for good reason, but not a reach in the first. There are better corners that will be on the board a round from now.
This guy won't start this year, and if he does, we're in trouble.
Let's think about this, the guy played on THE best defense in college football, and was surrounded by studs everywhere. Yet he continuously got burned down the field, even in big games. Gave up EIGHTEEN yards a reception as a starter. That is NOT the second best corner in the draft. Few had him rated as that. Teez is twice as good.
Getting a corner at 16 overall, especially in this draft, that is notoriously known for not having instincts, ball skills, and most importantly CANNOT cover down the field, is not going to help anytime soon vs Brady, Ben, Rodgers, and the whole NFL for that matter. What a sad day for Ravens fans. There are 6-8 better corners that will come off the board tomorrow.
Ozzie is playing blackjack and keeps hitting on a 16. Step away Ozzie. Please. We all appreciate your work from the past

  53 minutes ago, sizzlingdoom said:

  3 hours ago, verified said:

corner should no longer be in issue for us now, if if jimmy smith does get hurt like he so often does we finally have guys that can cover with carr tayvon and now humphris, we needed this and he seems to be a playmaker from what ive seen

No longer be an issue?
Why? Cuz we just picked a guy that doesn't have instincts, ball skills, and can't cover down the field? He got torched in multiple games trying to do so. Gave up 18 yards a reception as a starter???? For the 16th pick in this draft? What a joke
All because he tested well in underwear at the combine and went to Alabama.
Time to step down Ozzie. Now I'm nervous to watch tomorrow instead of excited.

Elam
Perriman
Maxx
KC
AB

These first and second round WHIFFS are killing us. Marlon at SIXTEEN OVERALL better not end up on this list

We might as well bolstered the O-line now by drafting Forrest Lamp at guard with our 2nd, then draft Pat Efflein at center with one of our 3rd round picks and hopefully use our early 3rd with Sidney Jones then my draft opinion will change because we boost the o-line and then sign Boldin to a 2 year deal and call it a day.

Seriously. That's what I was saying. If we added Lamp and Eflein we would've had a top 5 line, easy. Q won't want to come back to this organization that is going downhill, esp. after the way they did him. We better get Lamp or Ju Ju tomorrow.
I didn't think it was possible to screw this draft up, Ozzie has really accelerated his decline with this pick. Unreal. We passed on an ALL PRO TE for a corner that not one analyst thinks has a chance of being a number 1 corner.
What a joke....that isn't funny at all. Except to Steeler fans

Oj Howard. Man. He was right there. Gifted to you from the football gods. Everything that could have went right, did, and we missed it. Bama TE and a Bama TE.

Humphrey will be good, but Oj will be great.

OJ will automatically be a top 4 TE in the NFL day 1.
Ozzie lost it, a while ago too
The phrase "in Ozzie we trust" hasn't even been whispered in half a decade

Bills got a better corner at 27 than we did at 16. Sad

Not only did they get a WAY better corner at 27, than we did at 16, but he's also way more verstaile. Marlon has no chance of playing the slot if needed.
White is a gamer a twice the corner Marlon is. ALSO, White is a great returner.............which we need as well. This was the number one player I thought we might take at 16, and was really hoping we wouldn't.
Didn't think it was possible for Ozzie to screw the draft up again, especially in this draft. I was wrong. AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

Ozzie's alabama bias burns us again. It's honestly time for him to hang it up, everybody being homers talking about how great of a pick this is do me a favor and go back and watch him get absolutely abused by Mike Williams. Very doubtful he starts this year and he will never be more than a #2 corner. Awful value in a deep corner class.

Such an awful pick. A need pick when he wasn't even the best corner on the board. This guy gets lit up down the field......that will be a good attribute to have vs Brady and Ben. Not to mention we have 3 starting corners locked in already.
In this draft, in this Corner class, we take a corner at 16 overall, that I haven't heard one analyst say, and for good reason, has a chance of developing into a number 1 corner.
What a joke
Devastating but not surprising
It really is time for Ozzie to hang it up
The drafting continues to go downhill year after year, for many years now, it's killing the Ravens. So much they even admitted it themselves about a month ago.
With the players in this draft, I would not even consider Marlon at 47. There are about 7 corners still on the board I prefer much more. Awuzie would've been a killer pick.
This sucks

Making a run for the Super Bowl you gotta face the squeelers or pats and they both carve up secondaries so why not beef up the secondary like Ozzie and Co. are doing and did?! This is chess it ain't checkers!

Beef it up with somebody that got torched down the field in COLLEGE??????????

Yeah, it's a very sound pick if you haven't thrown up in your own mouth in a while and forgot what it's like.
Devastating.......................but not surprising

corner should no longer be in issue for us now, if if jimmy smith does get hurt like he so often does we finally have guys that can cover with carr tayvon and now humphris, we needed this and he seems to be a playmaker from what ive seen

No longer be an issue?
Why? Cuz we just picked a guy that doesn't have instincts, ball skills, and can't cover down the field? He got torched in multiple games trying to do so. Gave up 18 yards a reception as a starter???? For the 16th pick in this draft? What a joke
All because he tested well in underwear at the combine and went to Alabama.
Time to step down Ozzie. Now I'm nervous to watch tomorrow instead of excited.

Elam
Perriman
Maxx
KC
AB

These first and second round WHIFFS are killing us. Marlon at SIXTEEN OVERALL better not end up on this list

  1 hour ago, RaRaRavens said:

  1 hour ago, Ray Raven said:

I can´t believe we passed J. Allen and Reuben Foster inmediate impact players.

Three teams helped us by choosing QBs and we did not take advantage of them...

Congratulations Redskins and Niners fans you are very lucky.

Mr. Ozzie, Coach Harbaugh what is your playmaker concept?

Maybe I'm completely wrong.

100%

Foster has too many off field issues - drug use, nightclub shootings, failed drug test, combine, etc. He's more Rolando McClain than CJ Mosely.

Allen is a DE in a 4-3. Why would the Ravens draft a pass rushing DE and then put him in our system where DE are asked to cover 2 gaps to stuff the run and not rush the passer?

Allen is a DE in a 4-3???? Not True at all. He can play anywhere on the line in any scheme except a true NT

I'm still throwing up in my mouth

In THIS DRAFT, we take a cb at 16, that can't cover down the field, doesn't have instincts, or ball skills?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????......................................GENIUS.

That's bound to help vs Brady, Ben, and everyone else that throws the ball in the NFL. I wouldn't have taken him in the 2nd round. What a waste. Better corners are still on the board, and will be for a while.

It's not like we could've used Foster, or Allen, or Takk, or Harris, or Lamp, or anyone else

Devestating, but not surprising

Glad to have Webb back. And anyone who thinks that Webb will be a backup guy is out of their mind. Still the best defender we have on defense outside of jimmy smith

Dude, Weddle and TJ are top 10 Safties in the NFL.
Our corners are set at Jimmy, Carr, and Tavon.
Webb is a back up, but he'll be on the field when there are 6 dbs out there. He's a great back up.
More importantly I expect him to be our sure set of hands as a punt returner. I think he has a little return ability left as well. Especially since he'll be fresh. He might be a great gunner too. Anyone will be better than Aiken.................jeez

  2 hours ago, sizzlingdoom said:

  14 hours ago, whobilly said:

Nice to see #81 is available for when we bring Boldin back.

Agreed. I'd rather end up with Ju Ju or Davis, but Q would be a nice consolation

Yes, can't hurt to have a winner if the price is right.

Q is my 3rd favorite athlete of all time. And that was before he became a Raven. His skill set is exactly what we need too. Hopefully he's not still pissed at us for shipping him away after he carried us to a SB. Not to mention it was for like what, a 6th lol. That's insulting. But really, I would love to have him back

  Just now, Ravensfansince03 said:

Man, after listening to Steve Smith, and watching john Ross's highlight tape...I'm convinced that we need to pick Ross if he's available

Either way it goes we need a game changer on both sides of the ball.

We definitely do. I like Davis, Ju Ju, Ross, Williams in that order for wrs. Ross' speed with Flacco's arm is incredibly tempting though.
I'm hoping we draft Teez in the 2nd or 3rd
I'm not the biggest fan of taking Cook at 16 cuz of flags on and off the field, but he is a playmaker. And taking one at that position would be nice. Trading down and taking him would be nice but I dont see him getting past TB at 19

  11 hours ago, BMORE21 said:

Im gonna say this... If  browns have a great draft this year we are in trouble. Imagine if they go all all defense in first 2 rounds( which is what i would do)  or 3 defensive players and maybe fournttte if he drops to 12. That could potentially put them a QB away from competing.

I actually agree with you. I thought Hue Jackson got the wrong end of the stick in Oakland. He's a damn good coach and has took all the right steps in building a good football team. They are getting rid of the mistakes the previous staff made and are building a team from the trenches outward. That is how you create a competitive football team. If they have a good draft, they will be dangerous within the next year or two. I'm not convinced they go QB in the first round, unless they trade back in late. I think Myles Garrett is the first selection without a doubt. Pick 12 is where it could get interesting....

They very well could go Myles Garrett then pick Rueben Foster if he is there....or a QB.....or a CB. I'm interested to watch that's for sure. If Fournette keeps falling...they could trade up for him to and become a ground and pound team with the line they have created.

Seriously. Hue is a very good coach. And they just built a line. Not to mention all their other picks this year and next, but if they add Garret plus Fournette, or Adams, or Howard, they'll be heading in the right direction in a hurry

  19 minutes ago, stampedehero said:

  4 hours ago, sizzlingdoom said:

  14 hours ago, TheConquerorWorm said:

My Ideal draft:

Round 1: WR Corey Davis
Round 2: OLB Carl Lawson
Round 3: CB Teez Tabor (Whatever CB falls)
Round 3: RT Roderick Johnson
Round 4: RB Kareem Hunt
Round 5: C Tyler Orlosky
Round 6: QB Brady Gustafson

What I think the Ravens will do:

Round 1: OLB Takkarist McKinley (or RT Cam Robinson on trade back)
Round 2: CB Kevin King
Round 3: DE Tanoh Kpassagnon
Round 3: C Ethan Pocic
Round 4: RB Brian Hill
Round 5: RT Darrell Williams
Round 6: WR Deangelo Yancey

I like the top one. your ideal draft. Those top 4 picks would be perfect, except I would prioritize getting Eflein in there for our Center for the next 10 years.
We need to draft Teez.
If Davis isn't there at 16, I would trade down to get that extra pick for Eflein, and make sure I draft Ju Ju.
Here's my ideal draft with a trade down out of 16-

Forrest Lamp
Ju Ju
Carl Lawson
Teez
Eflein
Roderick Johnson

Then if it were still possible to get Perine, that would be amazing. I haven't really studied Hunt yet at all

That would be an INSANE draft class for us

Teez and Lawson are top 15 talents imo. Crazy to me how much their stock has fallen over the past month

You put a lot of effort into your choices. Good work.

Not sure if you're mocking me or not....lol

I'm guessing you're serious though. and thank you if that's the case. I'm just used to getting mocked, or my ideas getting picked apart on here, but that is only by a few specific users. I'm glad we all have different opinions. It would be so incredibly boring if we all thought the same thing

To get an idea of how loaded this draft is, go check out the 2013 first round. I would bet there are more quality players and pro bowlers that come out of the THIRD round in this draft

  4 hours ago, sizzlingdoom said:

  14 hours ago, TheConquerorWorm said:

My Ideal draft:

Round 1: WR Corey Davis
Round 2: OLB Carl Lawson
Round 3: CB Teez Tabor (Whatever CB falls)
Round 3: RT Roderick Johnson
Round 4: RB Kareem Hunt
Round 5: C Tyler Orlosky
Round 6: QB Brady Gustafson

What I think the Ravens will do:

Round 1: OLB Takkarist McKinley (or RT Cam Robinson on trade back)
Round 2: CB Kevin King
Round 3: DE Tanoh Kpassagnon
Round 3: C Ethan Pocic
Round 4: RB Brian Hill
Round 5: RT Darrell Williams
Round 6: WR Deangelo Yancey

I like the top one. your ideal draft. Those top 4 picks would be perfect, except I would prioritize getting Eflein in there for our Center for the next 10 years.
We need to draft Teez.
If Davis isn't there at 16, I would trade down to get that extra pick for Eflein, and make sure I draft Ju Ju.
Here's my ideal draft with a trade down out of 16-

Forrest Lamp
Ju Ju
Carl Lawson
Teez
Eflein
Roderick Johnson

Then if it were still possible to get Perine, that would be amazing. I haven't really studied Hunt yet at all

That would be an INSANE draft class for us

Teez and Lawson are top 15 talents imo. Crazy to me how much their stock has fallen over the past month

You put a lot of effort into your choices. Good work.

Not sure if you're mocking me or not....lol

I really like the connection to Corey Davis. I like his work ethic and upside. Not many receivers come into the league with the physical tools and polished routes. He just looks like he was meant to be in black and purple.

Agreed. We need to come away with him or Ju Ju. I'd say there's about a 1% chance we double dip on both, lol, but that would be a ridiculous tag team going forward for the next 4-5 years at least. Not saying I would do it, but it would be interesting. Perriman isn't making much and is only signed for one more year after this one

Judon is going to have a break out season all we really need is one more good DB from the draft with pass rusher like anderson in the 3rd our D will be #1

I like Judon too, but I still don't see him becoming a full-time player next year. I think we groom him again, and get him a lot of snaps, esp. while giving Sizzle some rest and keeping him fresh. But I'm really thinking we're going to draft someone in the first or second to put opposite Sizzle. Maybe Lawson or Barnett. Then maybe if Suggs retires after this year, Judon will be ready to be a full-time player by year 3, and we can team him up with our high draft pick from this year. Just a thought. I would love it though if Judon just absolutely steps up and forces himself into a full-time role this year. I think it was clear last year though that our pass rush overall was pretty stagnant. For some reason I haven't much love at all for Charles Harris in all of our comments, but I could see him as being a dark horse pick for sure. Talented pass rusher and a lot of people see him as a top 15 talent, even in this draft. He's been very underrated imo. If we took him at 16, or traded back a little and took him, neither would surprise me.
Unless Davis or Barnett are there, I hope we trade back.
Foster and Lamp are interesting as well.
Cook is an interesting playmaker as well, lot of flags on and off the field though.

But like you said about the D, I too think we are 1 or 2 pieces away from having THE # 1 D. And that can definitely be taken care of in the draft. Vets are still gonna get cut too. Can't wait for tomorrow. But I honestly think Friday is far more important

Judon is going to have a break out season all we really need is one more good DB from the draft with pass rusher like anderson in the 3rd our D will be #1

I like Anderson too, and Willie McGuinest was saying how he's a straight DAWG. I think he would play the Jerrod Johnson/Upshaw role, better than both of them.
The DB thing is going to be interesting for the first 2 days. So many insanely talented corners. We're set at Safety for at least the next 2 years though. Grabbing to King to follow Weddle up would be Epic.
We have 3 Very legit corners, and others holes, so I'm really curious when we're going to take our first corner. If we take one at 16, I think it would be a Massive mistake, esp. if it was Humphrey. But that second and third round are going to be interesting. I'm guessing there will be about 12-16 corners picked from the latter part of the first, to the end of the third. I would also say that 80% of them would go in the first round in about every other draft. So I think the value of grabbing one in the second or third is very worth it. Even with other holes. A couple names that I would LOVE to see become Ravens are Sidney Jones, Quincy Wilson, Teez Tabor, and Chidobe Awuzie. I'm looking for Lawson or Ju Ju in the second though depending on where we go in the first. We need to accumulate more picks between 25-100.
I'm going to be incredibly upset to say the least if the Steelers take Ju Ju or Awuzie with their first pick.

Nice to see #81 is available for when we bring Boldin back.

Agreed. I'd rather end up with Ju Ju or Davis, but Q would be a nice consolation

Just documenting my prediction here -- L. Webb will be our primary punt returner this season. He loves running them back and is pretty darn good at it. In past seasons he lobbied heavily for a fair shake at the job, but was too valuable on D to risk injury. l'm surprised I have not read any speculation on this in the reporting world. Might be neat to see him run back kickoffs too.

For sure. that was one of the main positives I was thinking about when we brought him back. I think he still has some punt return ability, but at the very least he's a set of sure hands back there. I've been cringing on every return for years now instead of getting excited for us to make a play. I think Kickoff return duties are a little past him at this point. We might draft someone for that, plus we resigned Keenan today, and we have Camp, and Moore could be interesting as well.

  20 hours ago, sizzlingdoom said:

  20 hours ago, thecommish said:

in a league with a type cap limit which is always eaten up in large part by QBs - No team can afford to overstock any position. 1.Watson 2. Pitta 3. Gilmore 4. Waller 5. Maxx - 6. Boyle Even if we cut Watson and released Waller or Maxx (which I dounbt) that would still leave us with 3 TEs and I just dont see us drafting a 5th TE in round 1.

OJ is a great talent but not the right move for us. If Andrew Luck or another top tier QB prospect came out this draft - even if they would be an upgrade we dont go out and get them; We have a franchise QB- Drafting another franchise QB would be a wasted draft pick (Even if they became the starter) then we would have a ton of dead money and we would waste a previous pick.

Maxx -and Crocket are high draft picks and we cannot afford to over stock one position and leave the cupboards bare in other spots....

This is what the Browns and other cellar dwellers do.

I agree Howard might not be the right move, but what do you say to not having a single reliable te that can block and catch?
-Pitta is not durable, cant block, is overrated as a receiver, and handicaps predictability when on the field.
-Gilmore and Williams(bust) couldn't even get on the field last year........
-And Watson is old, coming off injury and probably gone
- And Waller is nothing

And I'm not saying cut anyone besides Watson, or necc. draft Howard, but our TE group went from "being the best in the league"-(Gilmore's genius claim last year), to being sad and completely unreliable.

Sizzlingdoom....

I am not as ready to suggest that we don't have a single reliable TE.
I agree that we probably don't have a very complete TE (outside of Ben Watson but we don't know what he has left and how healthy he is)

We do have a sure handed TE in Pitta who should be a year healthier.
We do have a very good TE in Gilmore who can block and has shown the ability to move the chains. I am not ready to give up on him bc he was injured. (Gronk, Julius Thomas, Antonio Gates, Ladarius Green, Eric Ebron, Tyler Eifert, Jimmy Graham, Charles Clay, Vern Davis, and more have all missed significant playing time in their careers and many of them even last season. That don't mean that I wouldn't take any one of them)

Gilmore has shown that he has ability but got injured last season. That happens. Lets see if he is healthy and can take the next step. We have every reason to believe that he can.

Maxx has ability but his body was not NFL ready and he needed to add strength. He now has two seasons under his belt and his body has changed. I am not sure that I am quite ready to write him off yet either.

Waller... showed flashes of high end ability last season and flashes of why he may never live up to his potential... but changing positions is tough / doing it the NFL is crazy. The learning curve is steep and he does have a very high ceiling. This year should mean marked improvement for him as he has a year experience at the new position.

Boyle..... TBH he looked better then Gilmore but he is a risk bc of his PED use. If he can stay on the field... he has shown the ability to not just block but move the chains. He will fight for those tough yards and he brings an attitude to that offense. Problem is... with such a full house at TE will he really get a chance ( and without a move to Fullback or Hback- I don't think he will). Just too risky but not a bad player.

I think our biggest problem at TE is Joes reliance on the check down and his unwillingness stand in the pocket and go through his progressions. He wants to hurry up and dump the ball off to Pitta. (before Pitta even gets into his routes). This is a QB issue (and probably and OL issue) more then a TE issue.

We have weapons and versatility at TE. We have old guys with experience and young guys with ability We have question marks sure but we have depth and I would still rank our TE corps in the top 10 in the NFL.

If we are top ten in a position group (and very possibly higher) I not sure that Rd 1 is where you add to that group. Unless your team is stacked and has no other needs. That's not the case with the 2017 Ravens.

I'm looking at Barnett, Davis, or a trade down. I would not be mad if we picked Howard though. There are maybe a single handful of tight ends that are difference makers in the NFL. Howard would step in day 1 and be 1.
Calling our te core a top 10 one in the NFL is kinda laughable. It has the potential to be very good, but potential is all it's been. All we had on the field last year was an overrated pass catcher who can't block at all, Pitta. Not a real tight end. All the other guys from our "top 10" position group were either, suspended, hurt, "not strong enough"- our second round pick isn't strong enough in his second year in the league. That says something and is incredibly sad.
I was excited about our te group last year, then it ended up being one of the very weakest groups on the team and a handicap for the team at that.
Just thinking about it if we did go Howard, you still don't have to give up on people. Howard is absurd.
Say with our picks we went, Howard, Pass rusher, corner, lineman....and so, and didn't really add a high pick wr. Then, if Gilmore would get his butt on the field, this "2 te" set sounds great.:
Wallace and Pitta out wide, with Gilmore and Howard as te's, and Dixon in the backfield (once he gets back). - That would be a dynamic and versatile passing and running set up.
All in all, it's not about potential, it's about proving it. And our te group was a serious weak spot on this team last year. "top 10 in a position group"??? Really? Cmon man. And please don't try to back that up with Pitta's check down stats. We all know stats don't tell the true story