The biggest beef that I have with this pick is not necessarily the guy we selected, but how it's possible he may not step in and start immediately. With Smith, Carr, and Young in the slot, we would be set for one year, then could move on to a better corner than Carr at the CB2 slot. That's when it looks like Humphrey will make his biggest impact. Humphrey is not ready to start year one, and looks like he will need a redshirt year to really make a difference.
Yet, by that reasoning, we could've selected Allen, Foster, Howard, or hell even Robinson, then selected Washington's Sidney Jones in the second. Jones is a better corner than Humphrey in my mind who will need a redshirt year too. That pairing of an elite player with Jones seems like the smartest thing we could've done.
EXACTLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Someone with reason and insight!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Lamp and Howard are the one's we ABSOLUTELY missed. Unreal
And Sidney is Twice the corner Marlon will ever be. Even if came back 85 %, which he won't
You would be 100% correct if we took someone like Tabor or Awuzie. Not to mention they're still on the board.
This guy got absolutely torched down the field, IN COLLEGE, with one of the best Front 7's of all time in front of him................
You're telling me you want that going up against Brady and Ben? When It matters. Especially this year? We'll see.
In any case, I agree, let's kick butt day 2. It IS make or break timeweddle over the top as the centre fielder.
problem solved.
So anytime Marlon is on the field, we'll just make sure Weddle always has to cover him over the top? what a plan
Our TE group and WR group are both bottom 5 in the league.( don't give me Pitta(not a TE) check down stats, or "potential from TEs that don't hit the field)
If Gilmore would find a way to stay healthy, and we draft Ju Ju both of those rankings can be flipped in a hurry. And they desperately need to be. Not a great start yesterday, let's see what today holds
3 Safeties won't be on the field that often.
And wait a second, you're telling me we'll need to roll coverage every time because the 16 overall pick can't hang by himself? Jimmy did not have problems playing the ball or covering down the field coming out. And he certainly didn't have one of the best college front 7s ever playing in front if him.
We'll see. I hope I'm wrongno but odds are 2 safeties will be on the field on pretty much every play.
well if you have a shut down corner on the other side then you have the luxury to do just that.
not to mention the are very few rookies that became shutdown corners from day 1, if there are any.
expecting that from a guy just because he got drafted in round 1 is stupid.also did you just start watching the ravens after the SB orso?
jimmy in his rookie season got burned quite a lot deep and it als happend a lot in his 2nd season.
he pretty much fell for any double move and could not recover.
he became a quality corner who did not need much help in year 3.Corner is 1 of the hardest positions to adapt to coming to the NFL period.
I definitely do not expect that from Marlon. I expect him to get torched if he plays any 1 on 1 this year. Esp. vs Brown, Green, Ross, Bryant, Coleman. And those are just guys in our division.
And no, I've been a huge fan for about 12 years.
There are 4-6 corners that are better that are still on the board. We could've picked one of them today, while at the same time already having a pro bowl Center, RT, or Guard-Lamp
or an All Pro TE- OJ......but I already know the response there-
"we have a top 10 te group"
Pitta- my sister blocks better. overrated as a receiver, predictable handicap
Gilmore- can't get on the field
Watson- too old and coming off devastating injury
Maxx- A bust and " not strong enough" after his 2nd year in the league..........LOL REALLY?
Boyle- A good back up that was suspended most of the year
Waller-"potential" and everyone knows he's not a TE
Amazing to me that are fans are still enamored with the "potential" word
People are crazy if you don't think this man will have an immediate impact on our secondary we will have the best secondary in the league next year our D-line will have all day to get after the QB 50 sacks next year #1 D next year lets go ravens nation
He got Torched in College. With an epic Front 7 in front of him? Please explain how that translates to stopping Ben and Brady, not to mention being the 16th pick
if and when brittle jimmy gets injured a lot of you naysayers will be grateful that humphrey was drafted. lets kick some butt on day 2
You would be 100% correct if we took someone like Tabor or Awuzie. Not to mention they're still on the board.
This guy got absolutely torched down the field, IN COLLEGE, with one of the best Front 7's of all time in front of him................
You're telling me you want that going up against Brady and Ben? When It matters. Especially this year? We'll see.
In any case, I agree, let's kick butt day 2. It IS make or break time
I applaud that the Ravens finally wised up and took a CB high in the draft. I see a lot negative posts about the guy here and don't know a thing about him yet. I will say we have to wait until his first game (not mini-camp or training camp where Harbaugh will gush about his practice being the next Deion Sanders). You will know almost immediately in those first couple games if he can really cover or not. Watch him on another team's #1 WR and we'll know what we have then.
I'm clearly one of the negative ones about the pick. I've done a ton of studying, here's my opinion.
We like him because, and he is fast and physical. He has good measurables, and looked good at the underwear olympics. And he went to Bama...yahoo?
I'm bummed because, not only did we leave all pros on the board for this guy, but this corner class is insane. IMO, and a lot of others, there will be better corners coming off the board well more than a full round later.
All that, but MORE importantly his play
He doesn't have very good instincts or ball skills, which is a big bummer if you're a corner, especially the number 16 pick, in this class, esp playing at Bama and on that D as long as he did.
But more importantly he gets torched down the field. He panics and doesn't play the ball or wr well when the ball is in the air. And this is the way I feel about that, and a lot of analyst agree. That's kind of an either you have it or you don't sort of thing. Goes along with instincts, it's not really something you can teach.
I sincerely hope he can fix it, and I'm wrong about the pick overall, but that is a bad trait to take up against Brady and Ben. I also think corners like Awuzie, Tabor, King, Wilson, and others will easily be better than him. And they're still on the board. We could've gone for Sidney, cuz we're all set this year with 3 starters.
Nothing to do about it now. We are all hoping I'm wrong.
Friday is HUGE.
And yeah, listening to Harbaugh talk about our players and team is Really old at this point. He just says what everyone wants to hear to say the least. I'm hoping to wait til January to hear him talk this Season
Though I liked the thought of Davis falling to us, there is still a risk with all of the top-flight WRs. Better that we make a safer pick at an enduring position of need, and the #2 overall CB at 16 isn't too bad. I'm thinking Ozzie has some dirt on both Allen and Foster to let them slide, and he must not have been as impressed with Howard at TE as the rest of the pundits. I won't ever doubt Ozzie's ability to select the Best Mama Player Available. That said, tonight will be where we win or lose our 2017 draft.
Howard is a future All Pro imo
I don't think Marlon will sniff a pro bowl- hopefully I'm wrong
But even with Marlon being my absolute 100% worst case 1rst round scenario, I still agree with your last sentence. Friday will make or break the draft. If I were the GM, I would do just about everything I could to get more picks today. I honestly think this years 3rd round, will rock the 1rst round from 2013, just as a quick example of this talented class.
Clearly no one is going to be able to agree as to whether or not this was a good pick. I think there is something that we could all agree on here. Im feeling pretty thankful that we didn't Takk (not that i thought there was chance to take him that early). He looked absolutely ridiculous.
LOL. Looked ridiculous? What do you mean? I missed it, I wasn't watching when he was picked
Lamp should've been our pick at 16.
It's unreal he's still on the board, guys like Eric Fisher go first overall, and Jake Matthews goes before Mike Evans. But Lamp doesn't go in the first in this draft, and we take a guy that can't cover down that field at 16 overall. When we have 3 set starters at corner too. Our FO has become Pitt and NE spies...LOL
Lamp is one of the best, polished, and most versatile lineman I've seen come out in the past decade, or ever for that matterI definitely would've like Lamp as our 1 pick rather than Humphrey. It would've been a better strategy and good idea to draft Lamp in the 1st, Sidney Jones (since he doesn't have to play right away) or Desmond King in the 2nd (Desmond King is definitely playmaker at corner that could also contribute at safety and could replace Weddle in the future), Pat Elfein in the 3rd, and so forth. Then just sign Boldin to a one year deal and then find a replacement in 2018 and their you have it. But it didn't go this way. LOL. But some of these ideas could still happen.
I thought Humphrey was one of the players we would strongly be considering.
There were only 2 players I was really hoping we didn't take at 16, that I though would be a possibility. Cam was # 2. #1 was Marlon. Absolute worst case scenario and then some imo. We'll see.
As incredibly painful as yesterday was, I still somehow stand by what I was think before the draft started.
Friday is more important this Thursday this year. For sure.
I'm REALLY hoping we give up a 2018 pick or two for another pick or 2 today (Friday)
How you pass on Allen top 3 pick and take a corner wow was a boarder first rounder. It is confirmed we have the worst receiving core in football.
If Allen was a top 3 pick, why was he available at 16?
Because some teams felt comfortable with his medicals and some didn't. And because this draft is as loaded of a draft as I've ever seen
Those "safe" picks were complete whiffs. It's set us back, there's no getting around it. It's all started at Elam and things haven't gotten any better in years
It all started with the Ray Rice incident. Since then, the office begin to take "safe" picks instead of risk to take high character players that could make an immediate impact.
It's a bummer to say the least
Have you watched any tape on him, and I'm not referring to the highlight good stuff. Every analyst and fan can see that he gets beat deep. The stats even back it up. Big games, everything. Even on the best D in college, with an absurd front 7. Please tell me how a College starter that gave up 18 yards a catch as a starter, on that D, in college I repeat, is going to help vs Ben and Brady? Especially if he plays this year? He would've been an interesting option at 47 maybe. We've been playing checkers in the draft for a while. There's a reason we've been falling off, for a while now
so you forgot that the ravens have 3 top 15 NFL safeties on the roster?
with jimmy locking down his side you can roll coverage towards humphrey.
tbh jimmy had the same issues early in his career and ended up well.
conveniently humphrey is being compared to jimmy so he can learn up close and personal from him.
3 Safeties won't be on the field that often.
And wait a second, you're telling me we'll need to roll coverage every time because the 16 overall pick can't hang by himself? Jimmy did not have problems playing the ball or covering down the field coming out. And he certainly didn't have one of the best college front 7s ever playing in front if him.
We'll see. I hope I'm wrong
Point is that Ozzie excelled in picking GOOD guys in later rounds, Issue is that his picks in first 2 rounds in previous years were made by "playing it safe". And those safe picks were, mostly, a miss.
What is perplexing for me here is that Alabama players, in last few years, didn't show almost anything in pro's (Mosely is an exemption) and still he chooses M. Humphrey...
Ravens needs to find someone that will be a face of franchise (like R. Lewis, E. Reed). I would like to hear what players do come to mind to casual NFL fan when they mention Ravens. Right now this is a group of good players without a leader. Please, try to differentiate between guys leading by example and a leader.
Those "safe" picks were complete whiffs. It's set us back, there's no getting around it. It's all started at Elam and things haven't gotten any better in years
Time to load offensive line now and give Joe some time, draft Forrest Lamp in the 2nd and draft Pat Elfein in the 3rd so we could be set with LT: Stanley, LG: Lamp, C: Elfein, RG: Yanda, RT: Lewis. Solid o-line.
Lamp should've been our pick at 16.
It's unreal he's still on the board, guys like Eric Fisher go first overall, and Jake Matthews goes before Mike Evans. But Lamp doesn't go in the first in this draft, and we take a guy that can't cover down that field at 16 overall. When we have 3 set starters at corner too. Our FO has become Pitt and NE spies...LOL
Lamp is one of the best, polished, and most versatile lineman I've seen come out in the past decade, or ever for that matter
Lamp should've been our pick at 16. I thought we would've learned seeing Martin go right before us and his affect.
At the very least he would've been a pro bowl Guard or RT for us, probably even a Center if we wanted.
I doubt we'll get him tomorrow. I cannot believe he is still on the board
Ju Ju....................Ju Ju...............Ju Ju Ju Ju Ju Ju Ju!
- gotta do it, it'll flip our wr core 180 degrees, right away and for the future
Way to go Ozzie, I live in CA and I can hear the Steelers laughing from here
That's funny I live in Cleveland Ohio rite next door and the Ravens are the only team the squeelers respect! They have more respect for Ozzie and Co. than some of these so called Ravens fans! Like I said before if the Ravens make a run for the Super Bowl they gotta face the squeelers or pats and they both carve up secondaries so why not beef up the secondary like Ozzie and Co.are doing and did! "This is chess it ain't checkers" so sit back and let them do their jobs!
Have you watched any tape on him, and I'm not referring to the highlight good stuff. Every analyst and fan can see that he gets beat deep. The stats even back it up. Big games, everything. Even on the best D in college, with an absurd front 7. Please tell me how a College starter that gave up 18 yards a catch as a starter, on that D, in college I repeat, is going to help vs Ben and Brady? Especially if he plays this year? He would've been an interesting option at 47 maybe. We've been playing checkers in the draft for a while. There's a reason we've been falling off, for a while now
1 divided by 7, good job. But lets think about it, I think a first round pick is a little more important than the rest.
Plus, those comments aren't based off of 1 pick. You know that!
It's based off of our opinion of this 1rst round pick ( and many other non Ravens fans), but also more importantly the WHIFFS that have been happening in the high rounds for years and years now. There's a reason we have fallen off big time from what we used to be year after year.
The Ravens themselves even admitted before this draft how they've been screwing up big time in recent drafts, and how it's bringing the team down.
It's one thing if our first and second rounders turn into good players, or even average players that find a way to contribute just a little to a win here or there, but we are picking 1rst and 2nd round picks that can't even stay in the league. Can't stay competitive, let alone challenge for SuperBowls when you have first and second round picks like that, year after year, after year.
Maxx
Perriman
KC
Elam
AB
just to name a few 1rst and 2nd rounders from the past few years14% was just putting into perspective how much time we have left to still fill holes. . I agree with you that we've whiffed and personally I would have taken O.J. Howard but this is still a great pick. #1 corner on the best defense in college football. I just feel that recent whiffs have made us fail to give these new picks the benefit of the doubt. Plus, the money for us in this drafts are those two third rounders. Let's let the draft finish before assuming the sky is falling.
I hear you about overreacting. It just sucks because it's been happening for years and years now. And first and second round picks are how you build a franchise.
OJ Howard is an all pro and the man. Instant top 3 te. Can't believe we didn't help the run, pass game, and Flacco by drafting him. Unreal.
Really though, saying he was the number one corner on the # defense in college means absolutely nothing. Especially in this case considering he was a weak point on their defense multiple times, especially in big games vs better players, when it matters. He got torched down the field in multiple big games. Panics when the ball is in the air.......bad instincts and ball skills...........NOT COOL
Let's see what happens tomorrow. I'm nervous now instead of excited.
Tomorrow is huge and we have a chance to turn it around, but I'm not holding my breath.
Here are a couple names I hope become Ravens-
King
Awuzie
Tabor
Lamp
Ju Ju!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Lawson!
Eflein!
Cook?- I don't think he was drafted
SO many great players left. At least a round of usual first roundershow many TEs do we need ? Pitta, Watson, Boyle, Waller, Gilmore, Williams. Do we need more than 6 TEs, I think not....
ONE. at least one solid one that stays on the field would be helpful. And don't even try to call Pitta a TE, or brag about his dump off stats.
Howard will be an all pro, maybe as early as year one
I hear you about overreacting. It just sucks because it's been happening for years and years now. And first and second round picks are how you build a franchise.
OJ Howard is an all pro and the man. Instant top 3 te. Can't believe we didn't help the run, pass game, and Flacco by drafting him. Unreal.
Really though, saying he was the number one corner on the # defense in college means absolutely nothing. Especially in this case considering he was a weak point on their defense multiple times, especially in big games vs better players, when it matters. He got torched down the field in multiple big games. Panics when the ball is in the air.......bad instincts and ball skills...........NOT COOL
Let's see what happens tomorrow. I'm nervous now instead of excited.
Tomorrow is huge and we have a chance to turn it around, but I'm not holding my breath.
Here are a couple names I hope become Ravens-
King
Awuzie
Tabor
Lamp
Ju Ju!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Lawson!
Eflein!
Cook?- I don't think he was drafted
SO many great players left. At least a round of usual first roundersAlso, I'm guessing Ozzie would have felt like he wasted two major TE investments if he would have picked O.J. With maxx and Crockett. That's cool and all but May show us that we truly don't draft BPA.
Crockett wasn't a big investment at all. And he can't stay on the field. Plus Crockett and Howard would be such a nasty 2 te set.
It's not like we'd cut Maxx. But he is just one of his recent high pick busts. And think we traded up for him too. Awesome. That fact that he couldn't even hit the field last year says everything. Some people on here made the excuse that he's not strong enough, yet. That's the saddest excuse I've ever heard on here for an NFL player.
Plus Howard is a straight wrecking ball of a WR too. If we don't add Ju Ju, or some like Zay, our wr core and offense will be SO ugly. Can't even imagine
A for FA
F for the draft so far
Like you said, there's a bit left, let's see what happens tomorrow
And those A and F grade's have been pretty constant over the past few years. With both being a little exaggerated.
Our drafts our sinking everything, while lucky grabs like Weddle and Smitty have kept us floating
1 divided by 7, good job. But lets think about it, I think a first round pick is a little more important than the rest.
Plus, those comments aren't based off of 1 pick. You know that!
It's based off of our opinion of this 1rst round pick ( and many other non Ravens fans), but also more importantly the WHIFFS that have been happening in the high rounds for years and years now. There's a reason we have fallen off big time from what we used to be year after year.
The Ravens themselves even admitted before this draft how they've been screwing up big time in recent drafts, and how it's bringing the team down.
It's one thing if our first and second rounders turn into good players, or even average players that find a way to contribute just a little to a win here or there, but we are picking 1rst and 2nd round picks that can't even stay in the league. Can't stay competitive, let alone challenge for SuperBowls when you have first and second round picks like that, year after year, after year.
Maxx
Perriman
KC
Elam
AB
just to name a few 1rst and 2nd rounders from the past few years14% was just putting into perspective how much time we have left to still fill holes. . I agree with you that we've whiffed and personally I would have taken O.J. Howard but this is still a great pick. #1 corner on the best defense in college football. I just feel that recent whiffs have made us fail to give these new picks the benefit of the doubt. Plus, the money for us in this drafts are those two third rounders. Let's let the draft finish before assuming the sky is falling.
I hear you about overreacting. It just sucks because it's been happening for years and years now. And first and second round picks are how you build a franchise.
OJ Howard is an all pro and the man. Instant top 3 te. Can't believe we didn't help the run, pass game, and Flacco by drafting him. Unreal.
Really though, saying he was the number one corner on the # defense in college means absolutely nothing. Especially in this case considering he was a weak point on their defense multiple times, especially in big games vs better players, when it matters. He got torched down the field in multiple big games. Panics when the ball is in the air.......bad instincts and ball skills...........NOT COOL
Let's see what happens tomorrow. I'm nervous now instead of excited.
Tomorrow is huge and we have a chance to turn it around, but I'm not holding my breath.
Here are a couple names I hope become Ravens-
King
Awuzie
Tabor
Lamp
Ju Ju!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Lawson!
Eflein!
Cook?- I don't think he was drafted
SO many great players left. At least a round of usual first roundershow many TEs do we need ? Pitta, Watson, Boyle, Waller, Gilmore, Williams. Do we need more than 6 TEs, I think not....
Considering we didn't have 1 true TE take the field last year................................??????????????
That's not even considering Howard is the most talented TE I've ever seen come out
Pitta is overrated and my sister blocks better
Gilmore can't stay on the field
Watson is almost 40 and coming off a devastating injury and hasn't played 1 snap
Boyle is a good back up that was suspended almost all of last year
Waller is the definition of "potential". Def. not a true TE
And Maxx is a bust and can't even get on the field in his 2nd year, some say because he's still not strong enough....LOL seriously?
Our TE group is overrated and has potential, unfortunately that doesn't count for anything! That can't stay, or get on the field
I have a feeling Ozzie is either going to completely make up for this tomorrow, or just completely TANK again, and really help influence the end of his tenure.
And there is a chance to make up for it. There is still at least a full round of usual first rounders left. Many ways to do it. Here are a few names I like.
-Carl Lawson
- JU JU SMITH SCHUSTER
- Chidobe Awuzie
-Desmond King
-Forrest Lamp
-Dalvin Cook
-Quincy Wilson
- Pat Eflein
- Teez Tabor
- Malik McDowell
- Sidney Jones
-Kevin King
Unfortunately I like all the corners above twice as much as Marlon. There was the best case-worse case article last night, this was beyond worse case. Somehow I'm not surprised though. We should already have Lamp- an all pro Center, Guard, or RT, or Howard, and instant pro bowler and probably all pro. He would've helped the run, pass game, and most importantly, Joe. Or Allen to add to Pierce and BWill on the line. Run dominance and interior pass rush. Instead, we already have 3 good starting corners in place, so now Marlon, a corner that can't cover down the field, the #16 overall pick, is our 4th corner.JEEZ
I would think Lamp, Lawson, Cook, King, and most importantly Ju Ju, have to be serious targets for us tomorrow.
If we get 2 of them that would be sweet. If we get 3 or 4 I'll shut my big mouth ( or fat fingers in this case) and I won't care if Marlon turns out to be as good as Shareece Wright. Seriously. Which he might. Besides Marlon being 12 pounds heavier, their measurables are almost identical. And they have the same cover tendencies and both panic when the ball is in the air.
They both lack instincts, ball skills, and can't cover down the field.........but they are fast and physical......sounds like the # 16 pick to me
Lets go get Ju Ju!!!!!!!!!!!!! He is exactly what we need. If we get him, he would complete our wr core in so many ways. His addition to what we have would take us from having a bottom 5 core, to a top 10 wr core imo. If we don't draft a wr tomorrow, our group is going to be so ugly going into the season.
Cook is another playmaker. We need playmakers. He's bound to go early tomorrow
Wilson, King, Tabor, and Awuzie are Ravens. Now the Steelers are probably going to get one :(
Not a great start, but tomorrow is make or break time. I hope we give up a 2018 pick or two for another pick or two tomorrow. Crazy talent coming off the board tomorrow. I think tomorrow's 3rd round will be more talented than 2013's first round!
1 divided by 7, good job. But lets think about it, I think a first round pick is a little more important than the rest.
Plus, those comments aren't based off of 1 pick. You know that!
It's based off of our opinion of this 1rst round pick ( and many other non Ravens fans), but also more importantly the WHIFFS that have been happening in the high rounds for years and years now. There's a reason we have fallen off big time from what we used to be year after year.
The Ravens themselves even admitted before this draft how they've been screwing up big time in recent drafts, and how it's bringing the team down.
It's one thing if our first and second rounders turn into good players, or even average players that find a way to contribute just a little to a win here or there, but we are picking 1rst and 2nd round picks that can't even stay in the league. Can't stay competitive, let alone challenge for SuperBowls when you have first and second round picks like that, year after year, after year.
Maxx
Perriman
KC
Elam
AB
just to name a few 1rst and 2nd rounders from the past few years14% was just putting into perspective how much time we have left to still fill holes. . I agree with you that we've whiffed and personally I would have taken O.J. Howard but this is still a great pick. #1 corner on the best defense in college football. I just feel that recent whiffs have made us fail to give these new picks the benefit of the doubt. Plus, the money for us in this drafts are those two third rounders. Let's let the draft finish before assuming the sky is falling.
I hear you about overreacting. It just sucks because it's been happening for years and years now. And first and second round picks are how you build a franchise.
OJ Howard is an all pro and the man. Instant top 3 te. Can't believe we didn't help the run, pass game, and Flacco by drafting him. Unreal.
Really though, saying he was the number one corner on the # defense in college means absolutely nothing. Especially in this case considering he was a weak point on their defense multiple times, especially in big games vs better players, when it matters. He got torched down the field in multiple big games. Panics when the ball is in the air.......bad instincts and ball skills...........NOT COOL
Let's see what happens tomorrow. I'm nervous now instead of excited.
Tomorrow is huge and we have a chance to turn it around, but I'm not holding my breath.
Here are a couple names I hope become Ravens-
King
Awuzie
Tabor
Lamp
Ju Ju!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Lawson!
Eflein!
Cook?- I don't think he was drafted
SO many great players left. At least a round of usual first rounders
Awuzie or TreDevious White would have been a solid pick
Marlon has some upside, but we've all heard that word before. His floor is low. Taking a guy at 16 that can't cover down the field, in this draft, in this corner draft.....WOW
Way to go Ozzie, I live in CA and I can hear the Steelers laughing from here
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Exactly. There were much better corner options further down the board.
So we not only missed out them now, but also passed on future All Pros like Lamp and OJ too.
Bummer to say the least