sizzlingdoom

Terrence west is not the only one that should feel fired up about this draft. LT and Allen should also thank their stars and come prepared to prove their worth. Woodhead is taking their downs and Dixon comes back week 5 so this ship is sailing with or without them. 

Wow, until I read this I didn't even know LT was still on the team. No disrespect to them but neither him nor Allen will do anything with hand offs. I would say neither would make the team, but, we didn't draft a back. I see us keeping Buck for ST.
Looks like we're counting on Levine, Chuck, Allen to lead Special Teams. Which sounds great to me. Kamar was a disaster last year. I'm really hoping Camp and Webby are big contributors in that department as well.
As far as the running game goes, we'll see if we add Mangold, and we'll see how many roads the line paves. I think they can become a very very good unit if we add someone like Mangold, but it may take a month or so into the season to get there

  36 minutes ago, sizzlingdoom said:

I'm not too worried about that. It's the NFL, anyone can get hurt. Plus he only got hurt in 14', and sure it took him a long time to get back, but that's really the only injury of his career. I would bet anything he wants to go out with a bang. He still has some serious fire, desire, and game.
Going into the year with Cruz, Wallace, Perriman....would make me feel 10x better than if we didn't add anyone, which we might not. I would love for Camp to work that slot, but I think we all know Camp makes Jimmy Smith look like the ultimate iron man. We just simply need to add another piece or two if we're planning on beating NE in January. And I know there are some pessimists on here, or realists as they say, but I know we can.
I too love what we have done this offseason, I just wish we would've already added another wr or back. What can you do though. The defense is going to be nasty. Honestly I like Awuzie and Tabor better than Humphrey, and they went about a full round and a half later, but Marlon is now a Raven. And there's no denying he has potential. I just hate that word around here. At least he's walking into a perfect situation. Our first 2 picks are not 100% ready to start imo, which is kinda crazy, but they have potential. But so did AB and Elam. And to be honest, I was excited about Elam and AB when we drafted them. Bowser and Marlon could become bigtime players for us, but they're going to have to work incredibly hard to get there. Our 3rd round picks however, imo, are beautiful. Both ready to contribute right away. Chris can play anywhere on the line imo. Anywhere, while be effective from each spot. And we all know we're just going to put Timmy out there with one mission, GET THE QB.
I don't think there's any doubt we will be much better than last year, but if we want to go deep into January, and be playing in February, we need to add one or two offensive pieces imo. And they don't have to be big ones, at least contract wise. Not that we have a ton of money anyways. This is a pretty simple and basic approach, but I'm think we should cut Arrington and Watson. And sign Mangold and Cruz. I seriously believe that those 2 would upgrade our offense exponentially

Oh no don't get me wrong, Cruz or Q would surely make me feel better about this team but please excuse my greed. I'm hoping for something a bit better than just that. 

I think your underestimating the value of Hump. He's a top ten talent and it shouldn't take him all season to become the starter. Carr was a great addition but hump can be a multiple pro bowler that can just take your best WR out of a game. He's even better! You don't get the opportunity to grab one of those guys without paying less than 10 mil a year so we're good. 

Juju would have been nice but he's a steeler now and I hate him lol

When it comes to Bowser, I think he's the starter come September! Pass rush was a greater need as we have 2 good receivers but only one aging pass rusher that I still love but finally have to admit that his days are numbered. 

Also, I don't think enough is said about Bowsers cover skills... He can really hang with anyone. And It makes me imagine a formation where Suggs and Williams rush from the outside. Judon from the inside and Bowser playing ILB with Mosley on obvious passing downs 

Yeah, either way, I'm just glad we have 4 corners now instead of 2.
The silver lining that I'm trying to reason to myself about Ju Ju, and believe me, I have to fight hard to do so.....lol, is at least we have a CB that matches up perfectly against him- Mr. Jimmy.
I like your ILB idea about Bowser. Part time on any downs would work really. Cuz you're right Timmy, Sizzle, and even Judon will be coming off the edges a lot. Bowser will too, but watching that film, and with the basketball background, it definitely looks like he could turn into an absolute premier cover lb, with pass rushing skills too.
What do you think of this line up going up against a third and 12. This lineup doesn't even include CJ on the field.

Sizzle and Timmy Williams rushing from the edges With Wormley, Kufasi, and Willie Henry rushing from the inside.
TJ playing "lb" in the middle of the field
Weddle playing deep
Tavon, Jimmy, and Carr in (we'll see if Marlon takes Carr's spot. I have faith in Carr though. Esp. now that he's back to being a number 2)
Then just have Bowser walking back and forth down the line before the snap. Let him diagnose the play. Either hang in the middle to hold it down with TJ, watch for a back coming out of the backfield, or just go get the QB with the rest of the boys!
And that lineup is without Marlon, Judon, Webb, and Mosely on the field.....
SO much depth, talent, and versatility for our D.
Let's add a couple more to the O and I'll be counting down the days til September

I would give the Steelers a B, and the Bengals and Browns an A- with the upside of an A.
We killed it in the 3rd round. 2nd round....I'll wait on that. Marlon will make or break this draft. I thought there were better corners that went way later in the draft. Which could've set up a whole different strategy. You are a Baltimore Raven though now Marlon. I hope you read all of my comments for FIRE!

  24 minutes ago, sizzlingdoom said:

I know a lot of people won't want to hear this, but I just watched Cruz' highlights from just last year, I think the video was called rise, it's on youtube. He still looks pretty good imo. His legs look good. He didn't get a lot of separation when he was on the outside, but that's not his game. He was playing outside cuz Sterling was in the slot. He has also recently been saying he just wants to play. I'm sure he would Love to play for us. Though I'd rather have Q, I have a feeling he might not want to come back. Cruz would be cheap and be a nice chains mover from the slot. He would be a big jump ball red zone guy like we need, but he can still work the slot in the red zone. There aren't going to be a ton of quality options at this point, especially to add to the offense. But Cruz' legs looked good to me, and he looks to about as fiery as they come. Which would be another thing that just departed. Though he's not quite the physical bulldog that SSS and Q are, his heart looks to be just as big. I think it would be a great spark to add to our wr core, on and off the field

Cruz would surely be a welcomed addition in my opinion. Iv always been a big fan of his play. His injury history would scare me more than anything else at this point. I just feel like by the time he works some chemistry with Joe, he'll be injured again

I'm not too worried about that. It's the NFL, anyone can get hurt. Plus he only got hurt in 14', and sure it took him a long time to get back, but that's really the only injury of his career. I would bet anything he wants to go out with a bang. He still has some serious fire, desire, and game.
Going into the year with Cruz, Wallace, Perriman....would make me feel 10x better than if we didn't add anyone, which we might not. I would love for Camp to work that slot, but I think we all know Camp makes Jimmy Smith look like the ultimate iron man. We just simply need to add another piece or two if we're planning on beating NE in January. And I know there are some pessimists on here, or realists as they say, but I know we can.
I too love what we have done this offseason, I just wish we would've already added another wr or back. What can you do though. The defense is going to be nasty. Honestly I like Awuzie and Tabor better than Humphrey, and they went about a full round and a half later, but Marlon is now a Raven. And there's no denying he has potential. I just hate that word around here. At least he's walking into a perfect situation. Our first 2 picks are not 100% ready to start imo, which is kinda crazy, but they have potential. But so did AB and Elam. And to be honest, I was excited about Elam and AB when we drafted them. Bowser and Marlon could become bigtime players for us, but they're going to have to work incredibly hard to get there. Our 3rd round picks however, imo, are beautiful. Both ready to contribute right away. Chris can play anywhere on the line imo. Anywhere, while be effective from each spot. And we all know we're just going to put Timmy out there with one mission, GET THE QB.
I don't think there's any doubt we will be much better than last year, but if we want to go deep into January, and be playing in February, we need to add one or two offensive pieces imo. And they don't have to be big ones, at least contract wise. Not that we have a ton of money anyways. This is a pretty simple and basic approach, but I'm think we should cut Arrington and Watson. And sign Mangold and Cruz. I seriously believe that those 2 would upgrade our offense exponentially

  10 hours ago, rmcjacket23 said:

Depends on what we are "contending" for. If its for a playoff spot, we're already there.

If its for a SB, then yes, probably at least a year or two away.

I look at it this way...

1. I don't see any team in our division, outside of maybe Cleveland, who has significantly upgraded their roster from the previous year. Pittsburgh did basically nothing in FA, and while they made some draft picks I liked, I still think their defense is a significant liability. Cincinnati is going to be a lot worse than people think they are, mostly because they're not very good defensively anymore and their Oline is atrocious. And while Cleveland is doing a lot of things I like, we obviously know they aren't contenders next season.

2. If you make the case that our offense is still bad, we at least on paper upgraded the defense, or particularly, upgraded the secondary. I can't see a version of this team being worse on defense this year than last year.

In theory I suppose we could be even worse on offense, but that's hard to see based on how badly we looked at times.
 

Great post. I'm loving the offseason so far. We need a few more pieces and this team can compete. We don't even need game breakers. Just a few quality starters. 

I know a lot of people won't want to hear this, but I just watched Cruz' highlights from just last year, I think the video was called rise, it's on youtube. He still looks pretty good imo. His legs look good. He didn't get a lot of separation when he was on the outside, but that's not his game. He was playing outside cuz Sterling was in the slot. He has also recently been saying he just wants to play. I'm sure he would Love to play for us. Though I'd rather have Q, I have a feeling he might not want to come back. Cruz would be cheap and be a nice chains mover from the slot. He would be a big jump ball red zone guy like we need, but he can still work the slot in the red zone. There aren't going to be a ton of quality options at this point, especially to add to the offense. But Cruz' legs looked good to me, and he looks to about as fiery as they come. Which would be another thing that just departed. Though he's not quite the physical bulldog that SSS and Q are, his heart looks to be just as big. I think it would be a great spark to add to our wr core, on and off the field

  13 hours ago, The Mom Gene said:

  13 hours ago, rmcjacket23 said:

But your information isn't as reliable, because you're not actually READING the information.

My information is based on what he's actually done in the past (i.e. waiting until July to sign last year to avoid the offseason program) and based on what other reporters have said.

Your information seems to based on a 2014 article that you either didn't read, or read the title and THOUGHT that it said that he was interested in returning to Baltimore to play for the Ravens.

That's not reliable information. That's you wanting an article to say something that it doesn't say, also known as being manipulative. That's what you did.

All you have is the Ravens want him back. That's it. Don't bother responding, because you have no further insight or information. to add to this.

Of course I'm not reading it...  SMH.....  move on now.

I don't know why you even have a discussion with that user. They are closed minded and think their opinion, which is all it is, an opinion, is fact. Almost everything related to the NFL is opinion. Even when you bring up stats, everyone is in completely different situations so even stats are irrelevant a lot of times while trying to make a point. I love having open discussions and learning from others opinions on here, but as you're finding out probably, useless with that one

I wrote this to you Mom Gene in case there was confusion there

  13 hours ago, rmcjacket23 said:

But your information isn't as reliable, because you're not actually READING the information.

My information is based on what he's actually done in the past (i.e. waiting until July to sign last year to avoid the offseason program) and based on what other reporters have said.

Your information seems to based on a 2014 article that you either didn't read, or read the title and THOUGHT that it said that he was interested in returning to Baltimore to play for the Ravens.

That's not reliable information. That's you wanting an article to say something that it doesn't say, also known as being manipulative. That's what you did.

All you have is the Ravens want him back. That's it. Don't bother responding, because you have no further insight or information. to add to this.

Of course I'm not reading it...  SMH.....  move on now.

I don't know why you even have a discussion with that user. They are closed minded and think their opinion, which is all it is, an opinion, is fact. Almost everything related to the NFL is opinion. Even when you bring up stats, everyone is in completely different situations so even stats are irrelevant a lot of times while trying to make a point. I love having open discussions and learning from others opinions on here, but as you're finding out probably, useless with that one

  11 hours ago, frozen joe flacco fan said:

  18 hours ago, rmcjacket23 said:

The only "surprise" of the offseason thus far is the failure to sign a possession receiver, though the offseason obviously isn't even close to being over yet.

Would point out that the FO has already stated publicly that they feel pretty good about internal options at RT and at ILB, and so fans need to start taking notice of this and understand that its simply not a realistic expectation to have 22 starting spots locked down in May.

Very easily may be August before we even know who is going to be starting at those positions, and those players may or may not even be on the roster at this point.

I also would point out something I've been telling you guys for months... don't expect wholesale changes in terms of acquisitions on the offensive side of the ball, mainly because its easily the youngest side of the ball.

We've got youth at WR, TE, RB, and in some ways OLine. In many ways, I think the FO's stance on the offense is simple... they've just got to play better. The defense had age issues at a lot of spots, and those seem to be addressed pretty well at this point.

You nailed it! The FO's stance on the offense is simple... they've just got to play better. That's so easy to say. I am sure OC Marty will be relieved to hear it. Let's see. He has Wallace, Waller, Moore, Perriman, Matthews, Campanero and now Woodhead. Of the entire bunch, only two have proven they are starters - Wallace and Woodhead. The others have some potential but that's the worse thing you can say about an athlete. I would like to see Q come back to Bmore for an encore but don't count on it after the way the FO treated him after the SB. Ask yourself why Waller is a WR and not a TE. Get Perriman to make the routine chain-moving catches a pro is supposed to make for his QB instead of an occasional circus catch. Keep Campanero healthy for a whole season. Good luck, Marty! If we go into the season with Wallace, Perriman and Moore as the top 3 WRs, you are in serious trouble unless you can get them to "just play better". But what the heck, it will give the Flacco doubters and detractors some more cannon fodder. Not drafting a WR in this draft is symptomatic of a FO in denial, delusion or delirium. That's what is simple. In fact, its so simple its offensive (pun intended).

1. Well most of them have potential because they've only been in the league for about a year. By definition, that's what the majority of second year players in this league have in this league at this point. If teams wrote off all those players after a year, they'd be missing out on studs quite often.

2. Waller is a WR because we had like 7 TEs at the time, and he offers very little as a blocker, which is a requirement for a TE.

3. At the end of the day, it really doesn't matter who our "top 3 WRs" are, because three receivers aren't producing in this offense. They never have, regardless of who the OC is.

Two WRs can produce, 1-2 TEs can produce, and a RB can produce. That's it. If your third WR is catching like 50-60 passes, that means we're throwing the ball 600+ times a season. That means we aren't running the ball effectively and we're losing games.

4. I mean I guess we could have drafted a WR, but obviously it wasn't happening in the first round, since the only one's worth that price tag were long gone before we picked. I only saw 3 go in the 2nd round, and I wasn't impressed with any of them outside of Zay Jones, who again, went long before we picked.

So I guess we could have used a 3rd round pick or later on a guy, but obviously its naive to think they're going to come in and start for us right away.

funny how you use the word "obviously" while trying to make your points. The only thing that is obvious is it's your opinion, and not fact

  5 hours ago, sizzlingdoom said:

Howard could've gone as early as 4, and is the best TE coming out I've ever seen.Future all pro no doubt. He falls to us, SO we take a corner that gave up 19+ yards a catch, on one of the best defenses of all time.
Ju Ju, a younger and more explosive version of Q falls to us in the second, what do we do? Take a raw pass rusher from Houston.
Sweet.............................................................. The rams offense will probably be better next year. Get with the times FO

Agree 100 percent that OJ is probably the best TE prospect iv also seen. Disagree that he wouldn't add much more productivity than we already have. He's not gonna get 1800 yards and 14 TDs. At least not this upcoming year.

Juju in the second would have been a perfect fit if our FO knew they could land Williams in the third then they probably would have taken Juju.

relax, we can't have it all. We have a top 5 D and we're not done on offense. Give me a healthy Gilmore along with Pitta playing primarily in the slot. Give me a solid Vet WR like decker and that basically offsets the pass on Juju. I am 100 percent sure that we will have another solid WR to compliment the two studs that we already have. 

Oline is what really concerns me. Our FO have the tendency to just roll the dice with young guys. I love me some Yanda and Stanley. I like Lewis, but I'd be holding my breath if we send a rookie C out there along with another rookie on the line. If Yanda gets banged up then this Oline could literally crumble...

We don't need to get with the times. Flacco is not and should not be a volume timing thrower. Get the run game going and that'll open up single coverage deep. That's where Flacco is dangerous.  

I hear ya, but what run game? Dixon is out 25% of the year, and unless we sign Mangold, we'll basically have 3 rookies on the oline.
Unless we make another couple additions to the offense, we'll probably have a bottom 5 offense.
Adding Mangold and Decker would go a long ways. Charles would be great if he's healthy.
We're running out of time now though, we're not the only ones looking for quality players

I know the Ravens drafted BPA, and have some of the best scouts and relationships with college programs to build their board, so I'm sure this draft class will be successful.

I do wonder what a draft that emphasized offensive playmakers a bit more may have looked like.  Assuming no trades, we could have had the following in the first 3 rounds (pretty happy with the 4th and 5th, and the 6th is a ST player at best):

1.  OJ Howard - Bigger and faster than the WR Williams, and he can block

2.  JuJu - Compares to Boldin as a receiver who can run great routes and win contested catches, and he can block

3.  Tim Williams or Chris Godwin (the latter if you really wanted to emphasize the O; though he seems a poor man's Perriman)

3.  Fabian Moreau - fill our CB need later in a very deep class 

 

Be interesting to see which set of picks will look better 3 years from now.

I think OJ and Ju Ju would have not only been bpa but filled huge needs as well. Frustrating. We'll see

Probably our best pick.

Mink,

A DE in a 2 gap 3-4 defense is not a "pass rush" position. His primary responsibility is defending both gaps against the run and tying up O-linemen. Asking if he will be a force rushing the passer is like asking if Mike Wallace will increase his rushing TDs on End Arounds. Very few players can excel at both. Given the choice, most coaches would rather have a player that's great at shutting down both gaps against the run. Any pass rush is a bonus. It's why Jernigan never succeeded at DE and was traded (not good against the run).

Well good thing you educated Mink, lol.
Everyone agrees, he will see a ton of time at DE in our 3-4.
However, that is NOT the only position he'll play.
6'5, 300lbs, with long arms. He's about as athletic and as agile as a person gets that is that size. He'll bump inside for a pass rush on obvious passing downs, and he also rush from the edge, successfully in college. Not to mention I bet he gets multiple sacks from his DE spot as well

Don't look past Tim Williams. If he is allowed to do what he does best, he'll excel at rushing the passer. But I don't expect that he'll be utilized effectively and that is what scares me about Harbs. Talented players wither away and are ultimately gone. I hope this time around they're able to exploit the talent of Tim Williams. The concept of the dog house needs to be removed entirely or if not, then it should be reserved for bad coaching/coaches.

Even though I hate our coaching staff when it comes to coaching on the field, I think they will use him correctly. I think he's a pass rusher. It's that's simple. So I think that will be hard to screw up.
My question for him is whether he can beef up a tiny bit, and become an actual edge setter as well. I hope so. If not, I think he'll just be a really good specialist, while we attempt to go forward with Bowser and Judon as the OLBs. I think this will be a very telling year for Judon. I think mid way through the year, we'll have a good idea of whether he can just be a nice piece at times, or whether we think he'll be good enough to take over as a full-time OLB once Sizzle is gone.

  4 hours ago, Ugly Ball said:

  10 hours ago, ByTheBay said:

I'm just glad they didnt draft a WR so I don't have to read some of you complaining about how JuJu was a reach in the second and we should have chosen a pass rusher. Suggs is tough as nails but he is nearing the end. We possibly have the heir to Sugg's throne now. No guarantees but if that happens with a second round pick I will be jumping for joy. Great draft by Ozzie. This year and last will go down as the offseasons that turned this team around. Bank on it. Or complain if that's your thing. 

I saw a post draft power ranking thar had the Ravens as the 22nd best team !
I can't wait to see our defense come out and crush 90% of the 21 teams they put ahead of us !
With a more dominant defense our offense will have more breathing room this year.
It's about time Baltimore got back to it's roots and stopped setting the bar at "trying to win the close ones"..! It's time to dominate ! Winning by knocking the will out of teams ! Like in the old days. Ugly Ball . . !

You got that right. The Offense is gonna be UGLY.

I think we'll be lucky if we can even call it ugly LOL!
good thing we didn't draft Howard or Ju Ju..........JEEZ

D

Howard could've gone as early as 4, and is the best TE coming out I've ever seen.Future all pro no doubt. He falls to us, SO we take a corner that gave up 19+ yards a catch, on one of the best defenses of all time.
Ju Ju, a younger and more explosive version of Q falls to us in the second, what do we do? Take a raw pass rusher from Houston.
Sweet.............................................................. The rams offense will probably be better next year. Get with the times FO

I do not believe that going all defense in free agency and the draft(except for a couple late round O lineman) and is not consistent with how the rules of the game have changed and how other successful teams are handling free agency and the draft. However, I will say basically that it seems Bisciotti is happy with mediocrity. He will say pretty much he doesn't know much about the football stuff and he leaves it to those who know, however, I would hope he is smart enough to realize his offense was 24th in the league and has done virtually nothing in free agency, when quality players were out there and the draft is suspect this year regardless of the high grades we received. Let remember, after drafting Elam and Brown we got an A+ grade from most of the pundits and how did that turn out. Draft grades mean nothing for three years and everyone will tell you that. Hopefully I am wrong but I don't think I am but I will be silent and spew no more negativity till we see how some of these guys turn out. Later folks.

Pretty much my feelings as well

yeah, sounds very familiar. sounds like an 8-8 team hoping for a conference weak enough to actually let them in the playoffs and attempt to manufacture a miracle with nothing but a good defense and a kicker....

you cant play like this anymore, it wont work. the 2K ravens averaged TEN points allowed per game and STILL only went 8-8. JUST 10. you'll never pull that off in this league again.

Feels like the guard in the front office is going to have to change soon.
Ozzie never does a bad job, but he cant put together an offense and we cant win without one.

very true

I wonder if Charles is healthy
I doubt Q wants to come back, but I hope he does
Mangold
AP would've been an upgrade
Can't believe Alshon only got 6 mil in a contract year, Pryor would've been great too
I wonder who is going to get cut. Maybe Decker, if he'a healthy he'd be a perfect fit

Regardless of who it is, we better pick up some offense. Our disgusting offense from last year has only gotten worse since the season ended.
Someone should probably tell Ozzie we have to play Offense too. Passing league now. Not 2000 anymore
If someone responds by saying yes, we got defense to stop other offense....
We used the 16 overall pick on someone that gave up 19+ yards a catch. In college. On some of the best defensive teams of all time. Because he can't locate and make a play on the ball when it's in the air. Hmmmmmmmmm.
Steve, it's about time for a whole new family. We're all assuming Eric is staying, but let's find him some competent co workers that are caught up the times eh

  On 4/28/2017 at 4:15 AM, sizzlingdoom said:

I thought Humphrey was one of the players we would strongly be considering.
There were only 2 players I was really hoping we didn't take at 16, that I though would be a possibility. Cam was # 2. #1 was Marlon. Absolute worst case scenario and then some imo. We'll see.
As incredibly painful as yesterday was, I still somehow stand by what I was think before the draft started.
Friday is more important this Thursday this year. For sure.
I'm REALLY hoping we give up a 2018 pick or two for another pick or 2 today (Friday)

Doom:  You need to calm down and give the kid a chance , the first round is behind us M Humphreys is now a Raven, so lets support him. Maybe Oz will surprise you today, IMHO I thought Evan Engram was the best TE prospect of this draft.

You're right. I'll chill. I just think it was another pick similar to the rest of our picks picks in recent years, that has sent are team sliding to say the least. And he certainly did surprise me, taking a a raw player out of Houston, instead of Ju Ju. Seems like the FO forgot we have to play offense to. Someone should tell Ozzie it 2017, not 2000. Can't even say anymore that the game "is" changing, cuz the game "has" changed. Passing on Howard and Foster was unreal. Foster I understand, Howard, not a chance. Our offense was close to being as painful as it's ever to watch last year. And we lost a HOF wr and our RT. Yet added nothing.
What kills me is that everyone keeps saying, o yeah it was our defense that kept blowing late game leads......maybe the cuz they were on the field the entire game and gassed at the end. Plus Deen's awesome gameplans at the end of games. If our offense would stay on the field a little more, and maybe score some points, the defense would be a lot more ready to shut the door at the end of games.
All I can say is it should be incredibly fun to watch the D this year...........and when the O is on the field, I might be cringing the entire time

  25 minutes ago, sizzlingdoom said:

you mean every wr in the division? lol
NFL teams don't agree? nothing more to add? LOL
Cuz all drafts, or wait any, end up anything close to an actual snake of overall talent and production when all is said and done? Cman Man.
Just watch, Tabor's and Awuzie's career will blow Marlon's away. Just a fun little thing for both of us to watch over the next couple years at least.
And I know what you're saying. But that's not what I'm saying. I don't know why people still get caught up with stats. Especially with football.
It doesn't matter if OJ goes to Tampa Bay and catches 95 balls for 1450 yards and 12 tds, or catches 65 with us for 900 yards and 9 scores. He's going to block the same, and be the same dominant overall type of player for his team. He would have the same impact regardless of stats. His impact towards helping us win would be the same. Every team has different styles and stats. Stats never tell the whole story. Not even close.

his impact is clearly not the same if there is such a big difference in stats when on different teams while the way he plays remains the same.

those stats you listed could be pretty much the difference between all pro and pro bowl.

according to you he would be an all pro with the bucs and just a pro bowler here.

pretty much a difference in impact.

 

 

 

 

 

You're wrong. when different teams win the SB they have different approaches and will always have completely different stats.
We would never have stats anywhere close to say the Saints when they win the SB.
That doesn't mean what so ever that a player like Howard would be more valuable to them in their run then he would to us.

  1 hour ago, sizzlingdoom said:

You would be 100% correct if we took someone like Tabor or Awuzie. Not to mention they're still on the board.
This guy got absolutely torched down the field, IN COLLEGE, with one of the best Front 7's of all time in front of him................
You're telling me you want that going up against Brady and Ben? When It matters. Especially this year? We'll see.
In any case, I agree, let's kick butt day 2. It IS make or break time

would have been nice to see what frazier could do with this kid but we will find out in a year or 2 if it was the right pick to make.

Frazier was such a pick up. Just like our pretty much only other awesome recent coaching add, Kubiack, he was one and done. Big bummer. Hopefully I'm wrong about Marlon. Today is HUGE!!

  1 hour ago, sizzlingdoom said:

  1 hour ago, The Greek said:

if and when brittle jimmy gets injured a lot of you naysayers will be grateful that humphrey was drafted. lets kick some butt on day 2

You would be 100% correct if we took someone like Tabor or Awuzie. Not to mention they're still on the board.
This guy got absolutely torched down the field, IN COLLEGE, with one of the best Front 7's of all time in front of him................
You're telling me you want that going up against Brady and Ben? When It matters. Especially this year? We'll see.
In any case, I agree, let's kick butt day 2. It IS make or break time

What happened when your "better version of Boldin" WR JuJu lined up against him? 1 catch for 9 yards. Humphrey dominated him. So, if Humphrey is a bum CB, then JuJu must be a horrible WR that can't play against press coverage.

In Saban's defense, CB are put on an island with no safety help. Yes he got burned in a few games but he dominated in a few games as well. Kid is big, fast, physical, has elite closing speed and is only 20 years old! He needs to work on some technique issues - but that's it. Will be a stud CB in this league.

I hope he will be a stud, we'll see.
You can't judge things off one game, there are way too many circumstances. Especially in college, you know that

  22 minutes ago, sizzlingdoom said:

I definitely do not expect that from Marlon. I expect him to get torched if he plays any 1 on 1 this year. Esp. vs Brown, Green, Ross, Bryant, Coleman. And those are just guys in our division.
And no, I've been a huge fan for about 12 years.
There are 4-6 corners that are better that are still on the board. We could've picked one of them today, while at the same time already having a pro bowl Center, RT, or Guard-Lamp
or an All Pro TE- OJ......but I already know the response there-
"we have a top 10 te group"
Pitta- my sister blocks better. overrated as a receiver, predictable handicap
Gilmore- can't get on the field
Watson- too old and coming off devastating injury
Maxx- A bust and " not strong enough" after his 2nd year in the league..........LOL REALLY?
Boyle- A good back up that was suspended most of the year
Waller-"potential" and everyone knows he's not a TE

Amazing to me that are fans are still enamored with the "potential" word

im pretty sure that if humphrey get to cover any of those receivers he will get safety help over the top.

if those CBs where better then him they would have gone in round 1 to and probably before him.
NFL teams dont agree with you.
nothing more to add to this.

also nobody is denying that OJ is a very talented TE.
But what makes you think that his talent would translate to being an all pro on the ravens?

for someone that says he has been a ravens fan for 12 years i really wonder based on what do you think we would all of sudden have the offense that gets players to  be considered an all pro?

 

you mean every wr in the division? lol
NFL teams don't agree? nothing more to add? LOL
Cuz all drafts, or wait any, end up anything close to an actual snake of overall talent and production when all is said and done? Cman Man.
Just watch, Tabor's and Awuzie's career will blow Marlon's away. Just a fun little thing for both of us to watch over the next couple years at least.
And I know what you're saying. But that's not what I'm saying. I don't know why people still get caught up with stats. Especially with football.
It doesn't matter if OJ goes to Tampa Bay and catches 95 balls for 1450 yards and 12 tds, or catches 65 with us for 900 yards and 9 scores. He's going to block the same, and be the same dominant overall type of player for his team. He would have the same impact regardless of stats. His impact towards helping us win would be the same. Every team has different styles and stats. Stats never tell the whole story. Not even close.

  16 minutes ago, sizzlingdoom said:

So anytime Marlon is on the field, we'll just make sure Weddle always has to cover him over the top? what a plan

even when marlon is not on the field i expect a safety over the top .

nothing radical about this tbh.

quite frankly i expect any defender not named jimmy to get safety help if they have to cover the opponent top receiver.

heck i could even see jimmy get help from time to time if has to go against guys as good as OBJ and julio tbh.

 

 

Well, I myself have faith in Jimmy playing one on one.
And Tavon.
And I don't think I'm alone with that opinion
Tavon proved himself last year. He ran with and covered AB down the field, and shut down Eifert from the goaline. As a rookie.
Carr is going to be much better than people expect too. He was a baller in KC as the # 2. Then he went to Dallas as the number 1 and was not bad when they did not have any pass rush. I think Carr was a really good grab.
And that's obviously not a relevant statement. Maybe 1 or 2 corners on the planet can try to stay with OBJ or Julio