GhostofGrbac

Is that one Perriman's fault too?

4 minutes ago, darklight1216 said:

That might help explain his uncharacteristic misses on the final drive.

 

I'm sure the injury affected him against the Giants, but we have to remember that Joe really hasn't looked good all season. He's been missing some really easy throws. 

Irritation in the joint of his throwing shoulder is concerning. It could just be a minor thing, or it could be a little more serious like an AC sprain. 

Tony Lombardi said he's hearing it's a torn biceps. No word on if it's season ending. 

1 minute ago, rmcjacket23 said:

He was wide open AFTER the ball was thrown. Coincidence?

Come on guys. You're not even attempting to be smart at this point.

Yeah he got open well after the ball was thrown

You wanna see a missed wide open WR just look at the throw to Wallace a few plays before

They need to blow the entire team. We suck from top to bottom.

Joe please give back some of that money you're making. You were awful. Especially on that final drive where you missed a wide open Wallace

8 hours ago, rmcjacket23 said:

You still don't get it do ya?

My advice... don't post on this thread anymore. There's no possible scenario where you live this down or anybody takes the content of what you post seriously.

Just can't be undone at this point.

Because he spelled a name wrong?

Come on man it's not that big of a deal. He made a mistake and it was corrected. 

1 minute ago, flynismo said:

I have officially heard it all now. Seriously dude, this is scraping the bottom of the barrel here...even the Flacco trolls wouldn't go that far.

Yeah that's going a little too far. Joe might not show it, but all he wants to do is win. Go look at Cutler is you want to see a guy that doesn't want to win bad enough. 

21 minutes ago, rmcjacket23 said:

Ugh. Where to begin...

1. Its 2016. Nobody cares about completion percentage, yardage, or Passer rating. They're horrific measurements of QB success. Passer rating isn't even a statistic people take seriously. 

2. If you claim to be taking contracts into account, then lets do that. Why no mention of 2013, when Stafford made $18.5M and had 23 turnovers? Or in 2012, when he had more turnovers than passing TDs? Why no mention of those?

Are we also just going to ignore the Lions record during Stafford's tenure as well? I thought QBs as good as him were supposed to elevate their team to a level where they'd start winning games, no?

3. No weapons? Golden Tate isn't a weapon? So those 100 catches and 1300 yards two years ago isn't enough to classify him as a weapon? 

I'd trade their WR core for ours straight up in a heartbeat, and so would Flacco.

4. I think Torrey Smith kind of debunked the whole "Joe doesn't elevate the players around him" theory. I think that one's been officially put to bed.

5. Isn't a QB in the league that carries his team. That includes all the "great" one's... Brady, Rodgers, Brees, etc. They aren't individually carrying anything. When their teammates don't play well, they lose. I can fire examples after examples out of a cannon of this for eternity.

Fans that think that just simply don't understand football. 

1. Plenty of people care about statistics. They obviously don't tell the whole story, but to act like they mean absolutely nothing is just wrong. 

2. Stafford's 23 turnovers in 2013 is one less than Flacco that year. Flacco made $30M that season ($1M base salary, $29M signing bonus). We can go back and compare stats all we want. At this point right now I feel like Stafford is the better QB. 

I'm not ignoring the Lions record during Stafford's tenure. I know it's not as good as Flacco's here, but you also need to look at it in context. The Ravens organization is much better than the Lions organization. The Lions had so many high draft picks that have failed/are no longer on the team. With a competent front office the Lions would have been much better IMO. 

3. I was referring to this season when I said he has no weapons. Golden Tate has a whopping 17 catches for 134 yards. Even last season he wasn't anything special (90 catches 813 yards, 6 td's). It's a nice piece, but I wouldn't say he's been a legit stud weapon recently. I will agree though that what he did in 2014 was impressive.

4. I'll give you Torrey even though he was just an average WR here. Side note: it's a shame he chose to chase the money. Completely understandable, but his career has fallen off a cliff. 

5. Obviously 1 player isn't going to technically carry a team, but 1 player can have a huge part in how well a team does. Like Brees when the Saints were good. They were good because Brees lead that offense. 

We're clearly not going to agree, but I appreciate the civil discussion.

2 minutes ago, flynismo said:

Or Stafford

I'm assuming you haven't watched Stafford much? 68%, 1,378 yards, 7.6 avg, 10 td's 4 int's, 99.6 QB rating this season. All that with no running game and Marvin Jones as his only weapon on offense. We can even look at last season: 67.2%, 4,262 yards, 7.2 avg, 34 td's 13 int's, 97 QB rating. Numbers that Joe has never come close to putting up. 

Joe hasn't led us to the playoffs in soon to be 3 of the last 4 years. He has a 26-27 record since becoming the highest paid player (at the time). With his contract Joe should be carrying this team and elevating the players around him. He's not doing that. 

Anyone else notice on the fake FG that Tucker lined up to kick with his left foot? They gave away the fake before the ball was even snapped. 

1 minute ago, rmcjacket23 said:

Anybody that puts Dalton on a list like this literally doesn't understand football.

I'd officially challenge IQ overall at this point.

I'm factoring in contracts. Give me Dalton at $13M over Flacco at $22M any day of the week. 

Rodgers

Brady

Ben

Newton

Wilson

Brees

Rivers

Carr

Luck

Stafford 

Ryan

Dalton

Manning

Harbaugh has a record of 26-27 since 2012. That combined with his boneheaded decisions puts him on the the hot seat IMO.

1 hour ago, Tank 92 said:

I'd have to go back and watch it(and will), but my guess is there were D lineman in his grille when the ball was thrown. I'm pretty sure if he had the chance to read Smitty open he would have gone to him. It's always easy to play armchair QB watching video. 

Even though I'm not laying blame, seemed like the offense did enough to get the lead with 3 minutes to play and win the game. Would you not agree a top ranked NFL defense should be able to prevent a TD with 3 minutes left in a game? 

 

The safety came on a blitz (may have been a LB I can't really see his number), but Joe had already thrown the ball by the time the S/LB got there. He was locked onto Aiken the entire time. 

He's clearly lacking confidence in his knee and this offense right now. His footwork has been awful the past 2 games. Yes the O-line is party to blame due to their lack of protection, but there are times where gets enough protection and just misses easy throws. 

We need to take some deep shots Sunday against the Redskins. Hitting on 1 or 2 could really help Joe's confidence. 

5 hours ago, arnie_uk said:

It was triple coverage and Flacco thread the needle. SSS catches that pass, pitta catches that pass, boldin catches that pass.

He does miss some real head scratchers though, like the pitta one. Just have to accept it at this stage I think.

Also think he doesn't trust his knee and oline fully. Any sign of pressure he doesn't step in, even phantom pressure.

I agree that Aiken should have caught that ball. It's obviously a tough catch, but it needs to be made. 

My issue with that play (and the announcer even pointed it out) SSR is 1 on 1 on the outside and Joe never looked his way. He pre-determined where he was going with the ball. Give me SSR in 1 on 1 over Aiken in triple coverage everyday. 

34 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

Yup. If he's in peak playing shape he reminds me of a harder nosed Jason witten.

I just don't see it. There are so many talented TE's in the NFL these days. Maxx isn't even close to the top 3 IMO. He might not even be the most talented TE on our roster. 

3 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

May the best man win. 

 

I just hope maxx is the one to win, because I think he's a top 3 talent at TE who needs the game reps before he's ready to produce at that level. Crockett has been injured often in his 2 years so Watson could be many things for us, veteran presence, top notch mentor(helping with the conditioning and fitness changes were bringing and taking maxx under his wing), insurance policy for a starting quality guy in case of injury, and a great 2nd/3rd option in a TE heavy offense. 

Big picture Watson was a good signing, I just hope our young guys don't get their growth stunted 

Top 3 talent in the NFL?

20 hours ago, Ravensfan23 said:

Does it really matter who's at fault. The Ravens broke a stupid rule about no contact in practice of a contact sport and got fined for it. 

Doesn't make Harbs a bad coach, doesn't make the Ravens cheaters and it doesn't make Watson a rat. Harbs found a way to try and get the most out of a situation, was informed it was against the rules and quickly put a stop to it. The NFL decided to make an example of the Ravens, Harbs has taken full responsibility and it's over. 

No Harbaugh did not "find a way to try and get the most out of a situation". He blatantly broke a rule. There was no example made of the Ravens. They broke a rule and paid the price. 

8 hours ago, arnie_uk said:

It's a rule even the majority of fans know. It's quite idiotic by our coach to miss that rule.

I agree. But the Ravens never do anything wrong in some fans eyes.

8 minutes ago, ravensnj said:

John is in charge and probably will take full responsibility.  However, what if it was just an equipment man's blunder? Opps, my bad! Harbaugh did not intentional break the rule. That is an idiotic notion.  

So Adam Schefter just made it up? Come on man. What would he gain from that?

Ravens knew pad rules

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The NFL believes the Baltimore Ravens were aware of noncontact practice rules at a recent minicamp but still moved forward, which will factor into any potential discipline, league sources told ESPN's Adam Schefter.

11 minutes ago, rmcjacket23 said:

Which, all along, has not been a concern at all, because it isn't likely to affect football.

Has not been a concern at all? I guess the NFL is just investigating it for fun. I guess rookies likely missing practice days doesn't affect football either. As I've said before, in the grand scheme of things what happened is not a huge deal. But you can't just sweep it under the rug. Not with the way the NFL has been looking lately. 

Basically what you're saying is go ahead and do whatever you want as long as it doesn't affect football. 

The biggest concern all along has been that Harbaugh intentionally broke a rule. 

26 minutes ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

You really think anyone here would care if Tomlin had his guys in pads for 5 min??

And then you wonder about the paranoia/conspiracy comments. 

Its not a big deal, probably not even a deal at all. Maybe he wanted everyone in their pads to make sure they fit and were comfortable in them since equipment fitting is part of that day. I'm actually pretty sure that's all it was bc they were doing a non-contact return drill. 

I'd actually be more worried if he unknowingly broke the rule... That's a sign of stupidity. Knowingly just shows that he's a normal human being and didn't think anyone would care about 20 guys in pads for 10 min.

and on your point about Harbs - he's been clamoring about replay rules and on field stuff. He's actually publicly spoken about how the new CBA sucks in how it limits what they can do in the offseason and how long they can work with young players. 

It's not about the 5 minutes in pads. People would absolutely care that Tomlin intentionally broke a rule. To act like people wouldn't is downright foolish.

Just like Patriots and Steelers fan care that Harbaugh intentionally broke a rule.

14 minutes ago, GrimCoconut said:

No, I wouldn't care, honestly. If it was Tomlin or Belichick I wouldn't even care. I didn't even really care about Deflategate, so I certainly don't about some padded practices. That said, there's a difference between a coach being on the field and getting in a player's way (a la Jacoby Jones) or deflating footballs for a competitive advantage versus training. If anything, this just makes me wonder about Harbaugh's training sessions more than anything, because this may be one of the reasons we are getting injured so much. I recall some comments, not sure where, saying that the Ravens have really tough practices. Perhaps the practices are too tough and guys are getting banged up more than necessary? This could certainly be the case, I don't know. 

You sounded paranoid because it sounded like you were saying that the Ravens will catch heat on this because of how vocal Harbaugh has been about rules, and then you also say that it's not just a coaching staff screw up. I could've misunderstood you, but I read that as "There's more to this than meets the eye--it's not just the coaches involved," although I can see you saying "screw up" to more or less mean a "mistake" and that perhaps you implied it was done intentionally by the coaches to break the rules for a competitive advantage. Either way, I think you're getting a little too far gone here for the sake of appearing unbiased, unlike us "Ravens fans with purple glasses."

Then again, I've never really liked it when people make a point to bring up someone's potential bias for the sake of making themselves appear unbiased. 

You definitely misunderstood my catching heat comment. I'm not really sure how. Maybe I could have worded it better. I was just saying that's it added ammo for those that aren't Ravens fans. Remember Brady telling Harbaugh to "read the rule book"? And then Harbaugh goes and breaks a rule. So people are going to be taking shots at the Ravens/Harbaugh. Not that it matters at all. 

I'm implying that it was done intentionally based on what Adam Schefter had reported. Which was the NFL believes that the Ravens were aware of the non-contact practice rules, but still moved forward with the practice. That's why I don't view it as just a simple coaching staff mistake. Again IF what Schefter is reporting is true (I don't really see a reason why he would lie).

1 hour ago, GrimCoconut said:

Maybe. I think we probably get fined and lose some practices, but I think that would be about it. Pretty stupid by the coaching staff to do this. I think it really hurts the young guys more than anything since they are still learning. No need to push the envelope and get caught breaking the rules and lose real training camp days these young guys need to put pads on for practice on a day that doesn't matter. That's where I have an issue here. But yes, it is a coaching staff screw up. You sound a bit paranoid, to be honest. I don't think we catch heat just because of Harbaugh is vocal about the rules. We'll catch heat because we screwed up and deserve it if we do catch heat. There's no conspiracy here against us. 

How do I sound paranoid? Because I don't view knowingly breaking a rule as a simple coaching staff screw up? 

Also by catching heat I'm talking about from opposing fans. It has nothing to do with a conspiracy. It's not like the NFL is going to intensify the punishment because Harbaugh has been vocal about the rules.

It's funny to me to see people brush this off, but you know damn well if it was Mike Tomlin everyone would be up in arms. Take the purple glasses off folks. 

9 minutes ago, rmcjacket23 said:

OK... and?

We will be punished. How much will be determined. Regardless, it won't be a substantial punishment... certainly not anything near the level where it would affect our 2016 performance.

And yes, by definition, it is simply a coaching staff screw up. If its well above that, then the punishment wouldn't just be a fine and maybe some loss of OTA time that the players will work out on their own anyway.

I could care less about "catching heat". This information has been out for over 24 hours now and I haven't heard a peep of it outside of Baltimore. Its never going to be a headline on ESPN or any other news network, nor should it be (even in a down time for reporting). If the worst thing that happens is we "catch heat" and get a fine, that tells you all you need to know about how seriously people take this.

The fact that Harbaugh is vocal about rule changes doesn't have impact here. That's like saying John shouldn't complain about the rules when his own players commit penalties. Not exactly an intelligent argument. And that's completely ignoring the fact that Harbaugh has been vocal about IN GAME rule changes, which is completely separate from this.

Frankly, in this context, "catching heat" would be a good thing, as at least it will allow readers to have more information about what John is fighting for.

How is pointing out that we're going to get some sort of punishment "overreacting"?

knowingly breaking a rule is not a simple coaching mistake. A simple coaching mistake would be unknowingly breaking a rule.