GhostofGrbac

This will go down as the dumbest contract in Ravens history. No disrespect to BW, but he's only on the field 60% of the time. And we just made him the highest paid NT in the league. 

4 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

Were they or were they not up by 25 points? Okay, fine, Matt Ryan didn't lead them to every single one of their 28 points; just 21. 

The Ravens defense created two turnovers and their special teams scored a touchdown. What's your point?

Or are you missing the point that it's a team game and Ryan wasn't to blame for the defense allowing over 250 yards and most of the Patriots points in the fourth quarter?

I don't really care who the SB MVP is, honestly. It's a quarterback driven award, so as long as you don't completely blow the game, you're going to win it. Despite having over 100 yards, three touchdowns (including the game winner), and a two point conversion, James White failed to win the MVP award. That tells you about all you need to know about how meaningless the award is.

Well said. 

If the Ravens D gave up a 25 point lead you know damn well the D is getting blamed for the loss. But the Falcons D does and it's Ryan's fault? Why is it different?

1 minute ago, BmoreBird22 said:

There's really no reason to not run because you probably won't fumble (fumbles are such a huge rarity in the NFL) and the chances of losing as many yards as they did right there (23 in total) are so incredibly slim. 

I've said several times, but passing wasn't a huge deal for me because at least the sack kept the clock running and Bryant was the second best kicker in the NFL this year. My bigger issue was that he passed AGAIN. Just run a damn draw or something because on 3rd and 23, you're probably going to get at least four or five yards. 

I cannot understand for the life of me what Shanahan was thinking. It's like he was paid by New England to botch those calls.

The Patriots actually called a TO after the sack. But still I agree with you about throwing it again. 3-23 chances are you're not getting that 1st down. Even if they didn't gain a yard running the ball, it's still a very manageable 51-52 yard FG attempt for Bryant. 

Ryan did complete the pass on 3-23 for 9 yards to Sanu, but was nullified due to Jake Matthews holding. If Matthews doesn't hold it's 4th down at the NE 26. A 42-43 yard FG attempt for Bryant is pretty automatic.

3 hours ago, terrynjulia03 said:

Think I read a correction that it was that years 1st and 2nd and we offered that years 3rd or 4th and they covered with 2009 2nd also, and that's when we said no. So essentially, Joe, Rice, Gooden and Kruger.

Which TBH I still wouldn't switch for, I just don't think Ryan would hold up in our division. If you look at PFF and his career stats outside vs inside it's night and day. 

 It was our 2008 1st, 2nd, 4th and 2009 3rd according to Peter King who reported on this years ago. 

Not exactly our entire draft like Rapoport suggested. That's not an awful trade, but I'm still glad the Rams didn't accept it. That's 2 big pieces in our Super Bowl run (Rice, Kruger) that we wouldn't have with Ryan. 

44 minutes ago, OUravensfan said:

I need to actually read this analysis but the feedback on the Ravens Reddit on this article is that this guys definition of open receiver isn't the same as reality in the NFL

To be fair the Ravens reddit is full of homers. I mean there's a thread praising Joe for passing yards and QB rating. 

I don't know how the people on reddit can look at the 2 Aiken plays and act like he wasn't open. 

http://russellstreetreport.com/2016/12/15/tale-of-the-tape/the-joe-flacco-check-down/

This is a good breakdown of some of Joe's struggles against the Patriots. There were a number of chances for big plays Monday night. For whatever reason Joe didn't pull the trigger and checked down on most of the plays. 

We need to face facts. At this point in time we have a $22M game manager at QB.

42 minutes ago, Moderator 3 said:

He puts up nearly a 100 rating and you want him benched?  You just showed yourself as a player-hater.

Wait so now QB rating matters? Funny how it's just a "stupid stat" when anyone brings it up to show how bad Flacco has been. 

I will say that Joe looked a little better today. He still had issues with accuracy and reading the defense. But he did look a little more comfortable in the pocket. 

I'll never be a big Flacco fan, but the reality is we're stuck with him. Calling for him to be benched/traded is just a waste of time. It's not going to happen for a number of reasons. 

3 minutes ago, edthehead said:

lol

this is exactly how i felt

but my ugly is ,,,

elam, what more do people need to see of this shoe salesman  

You have Elam confused with Powers. Ealm is #33 now

1 minute ago, Grapple Raven said:

In the post game presser, Flacco looks like he might be getting a black eye on the left side, but of course that wasn't called! Smh.

It was called. He accidentally got poked in the eye on the facemask call

2 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

I think what that says, for me, is twofold.

1. Ryan likes to hold onto the ball longer than most quarterbacks. I'd be curious to see what PFF has to say about this, but with some pretty good downfield threats in Hooper and Jones could mean he looks for the ball more.

2. Ryan actually doesn't navigate the pocket as well as the first poster thinks. Joe actually moves out of the pocket pretty frequently (sometimes for no reason, but he often does avoid hits) and stands in and takes more hits than necessary.

I know as of a few weeks ago, the pass blocking was ranked in the top 5 or so by PFF, but I'm not sure where it ranks after nine weeks for them.

Fair points. I need to stop being so cheap and just sign up for PFF. Their content is great.

2 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

He has open receivers to work with more often.

I will admit that Flacco isn't fitting the balls into the windows that he needs to when the contested catches or tight catches are there to be made, but he's not just flat out missing guys. And Ryan actually has a pocket on most of his plays. That offensive line has been revamped heavily and is coming up as one of the better units in the NFL.

What's interesting is Matt Ryan's o-line has given up the 4th most QB hits. The Ravens have given up the 10th most.

To me that makes what Ryan is doing even more impressive. He's a legit MVP candidate.

I know QB hits aren't the end all be all. Just thought it was interesting.

11 minutes ago, PurpleCity5 said:

I understand Joe isn't playing his best this year but gosh, Perriman and Aiken really are not helping him out. I understand Perriman is young and missed plenty of time but it seems that he doesn't have it all down yet. I think his year of contribution will be next year but oddly enough he's struggling with press coverage. He looked better in his routes but his release is not where you want it to be. As for Aiken, the things he struggled with last year have followed him and he's regressed in all areas. He has trouble separating at times, gets jammed as well and he's just not fast. He's quick but he doesn't have the speed to beat CBs at the moment. 

I think the two just have not helped Joe out at all. I think Pitta's comeback is remarkable but it's obvious he's not a top tier TE anymore. When you take out Steve Smith Sr. out of the equation than I honestly have to say that the receivers just aren't as good as we hoped. 

Perriman is going through growing pains which is understandable. But he was straight abusing Burns yesterday. Shook him with a nice comeback route for a completion, and then burnt him deep on a 9 route that Joe overthrew.

Pitta was getting open yesterday. Joe just wasn't going to him for some reason. He's not a top tier TE but he's more than capable. Joe was going to him a lot earlier in the season. Not sure what changed. 

The thing is the receivers need to help out Joe but Joe also needs to help out the receivers. It works both ways. 

4 minutes ago, Wisdom said:

I agree! I don't think Mallett could do any worst than what we have seen thus far from Flacco.  I want to win and if Mallett gives us the best chance of winning lets go for it. 

I don't think a lot of fans truly realize how bad Joe has been this season. He's arguably the worst starting QB this season. That's inexcusable for a 9 year vet making the money he does. He's messing up basic football fundamentals. The int yesterday is a perfect example: drifting back and throwing across his body. That's 2 cardinal sins. But the biggest issue with the int was that it was 3rd down in easy FG range. That's just low football IQ.

The rule is you can only bring 1 player back from IR. We brought back Elam so everyone else on IR is officially out for the season.

My initial reaction was that was one the ugliest attempts at a slide that I've ever seen. 

20 minutes ago, Tank 92 said:

Hoping you are kidding.  Right? 

I'm not. I haven't seen one person on this forum openly rooting for Joe to play poorly. 

30 minutes ago, Tank 92 said:

You would think fans of a team would want their QB to get it together and succeed. Kinda strange really. 

Who doesn't want Joe to get it together and succeed? We're all Ravens fans, if Joe plays better than the Ravens play better. 

1 hour ago, flynismo said:

Who here has the "everything is awesome" mentality? I've yet to see a single person here like that.

There have been plenty of posts. I saw one earlier today suggesting that this is a SB team. 

To be clear I'm not saying that people don't have the right to feel that way. There are extremes on both sides. 

35 minutes ago, flynismo said:

You're spot on. These are the fans who were on here whining after we won the SB, wants Harbaugh gone, thinks we haven't drafted well over the past 5 years and want Ozzie gone, etc etc.

We won the SB 4 years ago. Since then we have a record of 26-29. We haven't drafted well either:

2013 

Elam - bust

Brown - no longer on the team

Williams - Very good run stopping DT

Simon - no longer on the team

Juice - decent FB in a league that's phasing out the position

Wagner - solid RT whose play has dipped a bit

Moore - always injured, hasn't done anything

Jensen - decent backup OL

The 2 remaining picks are no longer in the league.

2014

Mosley - pro bowl caliber LB. Play slipped last season, but looked like he was back before getting injured this season

Jernigan - solid DE. Has an issue with personal fouls

Gilmore - decent backup TE

Brooks - no longer on the team

Urban - backup DL/ST player

Taliaferro - backup RB

Urschel - backup OL

Wenning - no longer in the league

Campanaro - showed promise but was constantly hurt. As of now not in the league 

2015

Perriman - shows flashes but has not absolutely nothing noteworthy at this point in his career

Williams - nothing special in his rookie year. Out for this season

Davis - hasn't done anything. Out for the season

Smith - decent rush OLB. Doesn't really offer much else

Allen - 3rd string RB

Walker - RIP

Boyle - PED problem. Currently suspended

Myers - not in the league as far as I know

Waller - suspended 4 games, WR converted to TE

2016

Stanley - looks good when healthy. His injury is becoming a serious concern. No timetable for his return

Correa - has barely seen the field. Outside of the almost int he hasn't looked impressive when actually on the field

Kaufusi - out for season

Young - looks like a very solid nickel corner

Moore - raw with some serious speed. Has a case of the drops

Lewis - decent LG being forced to play LT due to Stanley injury. Looks overmatched at LT

Henry - hasn't played

Dixon - injured in pre-season. Is an explosive player, but hasn't seen much playing time since coming back

Judon - has tremendous potential. He could be a good one

Reynolds - on practice squad

Canaday - on IR

How many difference makers have we drafted since the SB? Obviously players can progress, but at this point I don't know how anyone can say we have drafted well lately. 

So many fans have that "everything is awesome" mentality. But the truth is this team hasn't been very good since the SB.

18 minutes ago, pep_meister said:

Will Hill, Weddle Tandem could easily be the best in the NFL. Will Hill knows the system so he could contribute right away, will add speed and a nastiness on the back end. I think that will improve the secondary greatly... Weddle, Hill, Jimmy Smith are some big time players.

Hill was suspended for 10 weeks in March. His 4th suspension in 4 years. I doubt he ever plays in the NFL again. I know for a fact he'll never play for the Ravens again.

1 hour ago, 1/28/01 said:

Bored today, so I've read this entire topic.  Wow, Flacco with a yellow jacket?  This one takes the cake!

The only way Flacco gets a yellow jacket is if he orders one online.

You can't reason with these people. We have some of the most delusional fans in any sport. 

Just now, terps85 said:

Oh, I must have missed that post. Sorry about that.

But yeah, I've had problems with it too. Sometimes it disappears and other times the submit button doesn't work. 

No biggie. It's my fault anyway. I should have clarified what I meant.

4 minutes ago, terps85 said:

Productivity and talent are not the same thing though. Last year, Golden Tate had more receptions and yards than Odell Beckham. Would you consider Tate better than Beckham?

Again I stated before that better probably wasn't the best word to use.

From my standpoint I was using better as in more productive. Which obviously you guys wouldn't know since you're not mind readers.

Side note: this forum software is awful on mobile. I've been typing up posts and they randomly disappear.

25 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

Joe Flacco is such a maddening quarterback because right now, he's mostly doing everything on arm talent alone. He's making very impressive throws with just his arm and torso. If he would just step into throws, he could have some real beauties. 

Honestly doing everything on arm talent alone is probably why he had shoulder discomfort.

His mechanics have been inconsistent his entire career. The only time his mechanics were solid for most of the season was under Kubiak.

Which brings up the question why didn't we get an OC that ran a system similar to Kubiak? Like Shanahan who is lighting it up as the OC in ATL.

25 minutes ago, terps85 said:

You also have the whole Aaron Rodgers falling off last year without Jordy or really anything around him. Why didn't he make them better too?

Falling off? He threw 31 td's to a WR/TE group consisting of Jones, Adams, Montgomery, Rodgers, and Cobb (who was banged up throughout the season).