GhostofGrbac

Calvin Johnson has arguably the best season of his career in Stafford's first fully healthy season. So yeah Stafford made Johnson a more productive (aka better) WR. The Calvin Johnson thing doesn't even factor in to what I'm talking about though. You're talking about the #2 draft pick while I'm talking about late round guys like Colston. I didn't dodge your Wallace question. It's hard to follow on a phone when you respond to every single post I make. Yes Wallace is a more productive (aka better) WR with Flacco than he was in Minnesota and Miami.

Yeah I will agree that better might not be the best word. More productive is probably better. Still pretty much the same point though.

Let's see Calvin Johnson has arguably the best season of his career during Stafford's first fully healthy season. Are you seriously trying to say that Stafford had nothing to do with Johnson becoming a more productive/better player? It's a ridiculous question on your part anyway. You're talking about the number 2 overall draft pick while I'm talking about late round guys like Colston.

It's pretty clear that you're only interested in arguing at this point. I've posted numerous examples and you continue to ignore them. Which you obviously have the right to do. We'll just have to agree to disagree. There's no point in us continting to clutter up this thread.

So Colston becoming a pro bowl level WR had absolutely nothing to do with Brees? Yeah ok. Greg Jennings was a pro bowler with Aaron Rodgers. He left and his career fell off a cliff. But yeah Rodgers didn't make him a better player or anything.

Give them opportunities to make plays, trust in them, switch up calls to put them in a position to succeed on the field. There have been a few examples posted in this thread and refuse to acknowledge them. Probably because it doesn't fit your narrative.

Not taking anything away from Flacco. That was an incredible super bowl run, but anyone that thought he would be able to sustain that level of play is crazy. That 4 game stretch didn't wipe away his inconsistencies through out his career leading up to the super bowl and now.

Guys with marginal talent have turned into stars playing with guys like Brees and Brady. Take Marques Colton for example. A 7th round picked turned into one of the best WR's in the game for a few years. Do you honestly think Brees had nothing to do with that?

So a guy like Brees doesn't make the players around him better? How about Brady turning a converted QB into a stud slot WR?

At what point will you question Flacco? These coaches are not the reason his mechanics are awful, they're not the reason he struggles to identify an obvious blitz, they're not the reason Joe is locking onto his primary read. Up until the last 2 seasons we were able to mask Joe's flaws with the run game. Now it's all on Joe's shoulders and he's showing that he can't handle it. For the money he makes he should be able to carry this team and make players around him better. And he's just not doing it.

Where are you getting this info from? Just curious, I was looking earlier and couldn't find it

So basically don't criticize Joe?

To be fair so are the constant excuses.

I'm sure this will be merged. Some people can't handle the truth on here. They'd rather burry it in an existing thread.

Inaccuracy wasn't Joe's fault? I'm sorry but his shoulder discomfort has nothing to do with him setting his feet. You throw off your back foot and it's going to affect accuracy. There's always an excuse.

That Cincy O-line has a 8.2% sacked rate (22 sacks in 246 pass attempts) which is the 2nd worst % in the league. Compare that to the Ravens who have a 4.3% sacked rate (14 sacks in 308 attempts). That ranks as the 6th best %. Cincy has given up 34 QB hits compared to our 44. As for the running game the Bengals are only averaging 30.1 more rush yards per game, and have 1 more rushing TD than us. I do agree that Cincy has a better run game, but It's a little closer than people think.

The whole "Joe throws a great deep ball" thing has always been a myth. http://presnapreads.com/2016/03/24/the-mike-wallace-effect-deep-ball-accuracy-and-ryan-tannehill/ This article breaks down 20+ yard throws by QB's that attempted at least 250 passes in 2015. According to that site Flacco threw 35 passes over 20 yards. 15 were accurate, 24 were not. His 38.5% accuracy is only above Cousins, Fitzpatrick, Foles, Smith, Hoyer, Osweiler, and McCown.

Joe's deal has something to do with it, but we have a bunch of bad contracts on this team. So many aging veterans not living up to their deals.

Pretty sure everyone here watches NFL games pal. I'm trying to make the apologists aware of just how awful Joe has been this season. There's still excuse after excuse in these threads. Again if you don't like it don't respond. It's that simple.

Their production at this point in the season.

Why respond if you don't care? Because I pointed out that your boy Flacco is playing on the level of Case freaking Keenum?

Apparently reading comprehension isn't your strong suit. Notice how I said right now? I look forward to your snarky, know it all response. That seems to be your schtick on here.

Which QB are you taking right now? QB A: 237 attempts, 62%, 1,708 yards, 8 td's 10 int's, 7.2 avg, 77.5 QB rating QB B: 308 attempts, 61.4%, 1,837 yards, 5 td's 6 int's, 6 avg, 75.4 QB rating

It kind of looked like Joe just missed an easy throw again

No Joe is just not very good