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Judon, Jernigan, Mosley, Young.

If Zadarius can ever start playing up to his potential and start commanding respect, him too, but...

15 minutes ago, EdTheMythicalOne said:

The Dolphins were red hot and on a 6 game winning streak when they came to Baltimore.

This was the first game of the season under his second OC of the season (a recurring theme here in Baltimore, can an OC ever stay here for more than a season anymore?) in which Flacco got to actually use the kind of offense they'd been talking about using the whole year. Hurry up/muddle huddle, foot to the pedal. KISS approach: Keep It Simple, Stupid. (not calling anyone on here stupid, mind you, that's just what the acronym stands for).

I think at times Trestman and Morhinweg try to get too fancy and try to show off with how smart and creative they can be. They didn't seem to notice it wasn't working on the field. Line up, smash some dudes in the mouth with the ground game and then let Wallace, Perriman, etc. use their speed to create mismatches in man to man coverage and then let Steve Smith and Pitta do their thing carving up zone coverages. A good OC is supposed to have a great scheme, sure. But they also need to make the best use of the talent they have around them. If they don't work in what you're trying to do it is your job to adjust and get them in positions where they can help the team the most.

Man, you've really got this NFL offense thing all figured out dude. EdTheMythicalOne for OC!

5 minutes ago, kjbmore said:

Have to give this thread a bump, 

has pees been better or is it just the tools or should Frazier get some credit

I'm giving credit to Frazier and Weddle. Our defensive backs have never looked this good and well coached. I have never seen our DBs play so well in zone and break on the ball so hard.

Perhaps the issue -- as I speculated last season -- was that last year, we had two extremely inexperienced guys coaching the secondary. I think the coaching here has gone a long way.

I can't say it's the tools because the pass rush has not been consistent by any means, and our secondary has been hurt by injuries as always. I think we're just finally coaching our DBs better. 

10 hours ago, BmoreBird22 said:

The number that really stands out to me is that 70% completion. I thought he was getting more accurate and comfortable with his throws, but damn...

I've always felt like the two most important statistics for a QB -- especially in a west coast type offense -- are completion percentage and yards per attempt. Those two numbers are the best indicators of passing efficiency, which to me, matters significantly more than the total production. If these two numbers are good, it usually means you're completing passes, converting third downs, and sustaining drives.

Anyone can throw for 4000 yards if you throw 700 times, you know? And the only way an offense can move efficiently is if you complete passes. Although his season average is 6.6 yards per attempt (last among starters), he has surpassed that number in four of his last five games. His season completion percentage is 64.6 (which is actually pretty good) and he's surpassed that number in four of his last five. In fact, in his last five games, he has two games with 70+ completion percentage and one game with a 69 percent. 

And seriously, how the hell does ANYONE complete 76 percent of their passes when you throw 47 times in a game? 76 percent, 8 yards per attempt, and 4 touchdowns. You can't beat that. That's just ballin'. Those numbers are elite.

10 hours ago, usmccharles said:

Is this sarcasm? i cant tell anymore

Yeah that was sarcasm. I must be getting good at it if you couldn't tell  

24 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

 

Excuses! For $120 million no knee injury should affect him this much! I ain't buyin it!

31 minutes ago, Ravensfan23 said:

I agree 100% and i'm sure Marty, Joe, Harbs and everyone else involved with the offense will say the same. But other than the Jets game, when have the Ravens not had a pretty balanced pass:run ratio? Also what game under Marty has the run game worked and the Ravens gave up on it or stopped running before finding success? As been mentioned before it's hard to say they gave up on the run game in Dallas because of the circumstances. 

I think fans just have to wrap their minds around the concept that the Ravens offense is a pass first offense with a solid running game. You're not gonna pound the rock 25-30 times a game in hopes of wearing a defense down consistently. If you do run that much it's because you've found some success but it's not a Dallas type offense where running the back is top priority. The Ravens are gonna put the ball in Flacco's hands and they'd be smart to build a oline and weapons around him that will allow success. 

I don't want Joe throwing the ball 45+ times through 3 quarters lol, but I don't think Marty has abandoned the run at all during this time. The only issue I had was not keeping his foot on the gas peddle and that wasn't the case this game. 

As much as i love pounding the rock, I've always been a proponent of doing what works and taking what the defense gives you. There's no sense in running the ball just because you want to be tougher or whatever cliche crap the smashmouth fans believe these days. 

I'm not worried that bad about the lack of rushes last game. Sometimes, you just take what the defense gives you. We did that and it worked. And still, 16 rushes isn't horrible.

What I am concerned about is the continuing trend of giving up on the run when it works, or giving up before you find success (you always crank out a good one eventually). In general, you need to have balance. You can't get away with a 47 pass game every game. 47-16 isn't a good ratio in most games. It worked this week cause the Dolphins backers are lost in coverage.

33 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

I don't understand why people say Chip Kelly's offenses don't work in the NFL.

It's really not a bad philosophy.

It's because they're incapable of complex, rational thought and lack an understanding of how important it is to have players that execute.

I like Joe Cullen, but I'm going to reserve any further praise until we see Pierce, Carl Davis, Willie Henry, Kaufusi, et all develop into something... I'd especially like to see Henry turn into something. Lets see how he does next year.

And with the edge guys, too. Zadarius, Correa, and Judon. I think Cullen does do some work with them. 

One year isn't a big enough sample size for a position coach.

I'm only mad because I'd have to get up early to catch the game. Sundays are for sleeping.

Kamalei Correa has both the lowest floor and the highest ceiling on the team. He might be the rawest OLB Ozzie has ever drafted. 

I don't mean to sound like a certain wizard, but all of my concerns about him have proven true. He's not strong enough for the NFL. He bounced off Zeke. He gets pancaked on the regular when he gets in. His technique is mediocre. Sure, he's fast, but he's just running into a brick wall and falling backwards. It's like a freshmen linebacker on JV getting steamrolled by the All-District senior linebacker. Correa doesn't look like he stands a chance at playing OLB/DE in this league. If he puts it together, which I honestly doubt at this point, it'll be at ILB, where you need better tackling skills than what he's demonstrated. 

I didn't hate the pick but I can count on one hand how many times Correa has looked like a legit NFL player.

Also, I love that Judon has been great. He's everything that Correa isn't. I just have concerns that he'll be 28 when his rookie contract runs out. He's 24. That's an old rookie.

6 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

He's not gonna get fed over Wallace and Steve. I think that's about the extent of it.

Don't get me wrong, I get that. But the offense is lacking something. It's lacking something. We don't have enough big plays, and we don't convert enough third downs. Perriman could have a hand in fixing both problems, I think, if we used him more.

But you're right. It makes sense that they'd get fed more.

Idk if its Perriman, Joe, or Marty/Trestman but Perriman seems so underused.

I feel like it's unfair to put all the blame on any one person but I don't know why he doesn't have more production. He makes huge, jaw dropping plays and disappears. 

On 11/23/2016 at 2:10 PM, ravensdfan said:

 

Because your quote was attributed to me. About the constant 3 man rushes. No worries, he won't dare to contradict you. I'll delete it if you want.

You're precious.

No, I named you because you complain every week about three man rushes, even when we rarely call three man rushes. Nobody complains about them more than you.

In detail, I'm inclined to give Marty a full season next year, unless we want to start all over. I think Marty has done, well, not bad. I'd love to give him a year where he gets to be "the guy" from day 1 of OTAs. I want him to have say over what offensive personnel he wants in FA and the draft. I want him to install his system the way he wants to. I kinda like Marty. He's not a bad coordinator.

On 11/23/2016 at 1:23 PM, Deflated Football said:

Unpopular opinion: I'd rather have Sean Payton as head coach and calling the offensive plays instead of having Harbaugh as head coach. 

I have long been an unyielding supporter of Harbaugh but I would have him fired yesterday if it meant having Sean Payton.

Just FYI, according to RSR's Filmstudy, Ravens only had three of 37 defensive snaps with a three man rush.

Any Pees haters complaining about too many three man rushes want to comment on that? I thought @ravensdfan was going on and on about all those three man rushes??? 

And no, six man rushes aren't the solution, no matter how much you rant about it.

28 minutes ago, letitgosometimes said:

A young dynamic playmaker by the name of Johnathan Paul Manziel is available.

Never post again.

2 minutes ago, OLD SCHOOL SMASH BALL said:

Since the SB win, and Joes subsequent large contract, this teams demise, has been squarely placed on his shoulders.

The lack of budget for more playmakers falls back on Joes salary/cap blow

The wanting to be pass happy all the time, falls directly on Joe. 

Its time to be smart. 

If this team continues to rely on Joes arm for wins, its a little better than 50/50 10 tds, 9 picks.

The need for a running game has been evident since we broke camp this summer.

For Joe not to recognize that, will be his undoing.

To just scrap the run in the 2nd half yesterday was unconscionable, and ultimately once again led to another loss.

 Stick with the running game- be smart

 

The running game that has been completely inadequate and unreliable for nearly two seasons now?

This is getting too easy...

1 hour ago, Militant X 1 said:

I agree!  I was also wondering if it was because Joe feels that Steve is the only receiver that he can really count on?

I absolutely think that's it. Perriman's made some sick catches but he's had a lot of stupid drops. I also wonder if he's on the same page as Joe, route-wise. There's clear chemistry between Joe and Smitty. You see something growing with Joe and Wallace. With Perriman, I thought I saw chemistry but Idk anymore.

11 hours ago, Militant X 1 said:

Either the coaching and game planning is piss poor or our players just aren't as good as we'd like them to be or think that they are.

Cause to me...needing 15 yrds and throwing for 11 and "expecting" the receiver to beat the defender(s) for the remaining 4 yards (when teams actually punt on 4th & 1) is ridiculous.  

You might think it's ridiculous, but it's what good offenses do.

I mean, Dallas did it to us repeatedly.

Just now, JoeyFlex5 said:

that 37 year old dude is a hall of famer and achieved today a milestone that very few players have achieved. is that seriously your basis of comparison?

He's 37 and coming off an achilles injury and has twice the production despite playing in two fewer games. Regardless of how good Steve is, it's a bad look for Breshad. He's been a disappointment. Perriman was completely absent in a game where we desperately needed somebody to show up. You can say it's a faulty comparison and that's fair, but it's kind of embarrassing for Perriman to be so absent. Why isn't he getting more targets? Steve is getting force fed the ball. It's a bad look.

Still not calling him a bust, but definitely calling him a disappointment.

He's getting showed up by a 37 year old dude coming off an Achilles injury.

I know he's young and he's been through it, and I know Smitty is an all time great, but seriously. Smitty got damn near 100 yards today at 37 off a bad injury, and Perriman was invisible. He needs to show up soon.

I think it says a lot that Steve had a good day with Joe throwing the ball to him, but hardly anybody else showed up. 

Seriously. Week after week, Joe looks good throwing to Steve but struggles throwing to anyone else. What the hell's up with that?

Great veteran leadership by Smitty