The Raven

I highly doubt Payton's next coaching job will be his last, and New Orleans was a dumpster fire when he took that job. I feel like teams without a head coach are almost always dumpster fires, anyway, so he's got slim pickings if he wants a better option. Typically, a coach is fired because it's a dumpster fire, right?

Ya know, the Bengals had nothing to play for either, and they still showed up. They were playing for their coach. I didn't see any of that from out guys.

Pees can't scheme a pass rush if we're not winning one on one battles. I would argue that the number one reason defenses crumble in the fourth quarter is an ineffective pass rush, whether it's fatigue, inability, or whatever. If you look at the defenses that get a stop against a two minute offense, it always comes because of a sack and some hits or a turnover. Considering we have a pair of very old edge guys, a pair of 340 pounders, a guy who has historically had conditioning and effort problems (Jernigan), and a couple of role players, I'm pretty much certain that fatigue might be a large factor in our fourth quarter melt downs. It's a mix of that and inability. I'm not trying to defend Pees, but I just believe that defense starts up front. If you're not getting pressure, you're going to get torn apart.

The trick with Williams vs Jernigan is that Jernigan has higher potential in the modern NFL, but he also takes plays off and gets on cold streaks. Williams doesn't, but he's more limited in terms of ability. It's absolutely crucial for us to lock up at least two guys from this class. Missing out on long term deals for the 2009-2012 period is continuing to set us back.

You think we'd put up $8 million for him? Oof. I can see it but I don't like it.

Stop wasting your time bro she won't ever get it and she doesn't want to get it

Why don't you @ me next time? Kidding Look, I'd like to keep him at a reasonable salary, but there's a good chance he's going to be paid far more than than $5 million a year he's worth, and that's the max I'd be willing to pay him. Possible, but even if so, I'm not investing big money in Williams at his best. He's a one dimensional player that will have a constantly reducing role as his contract progresses, due to the evolution of the NFL. Twenty years ago, I'd make Brandon Williams the highest paid defender in the league. Today, no. Even at the beginning of the season, I said I was weary of giving him a big deal. Agreed with all here. Michael Pierce is a perfect example of the 80/20 rule. Also: What do you think a fair deal is for Williams? I think there's a divide as to what NT's are worth these days.

Brandon Williams was driven five yards downfield on one man blocks by the Patriots and by the Eagles. I haven't seen him regularly double teamed in quite some time. That doesn't happen to supposedly top five nose tackles. He will be overpaid by some other team. It it not in our best interest to overpay a run stuffing defensive tackle that doesn't command double teams nor provide anything resembling a pass rush. It's 2016, not 1916. We need someone who can do more than be big. I know the Ravens PR machine likes to make it look like Williams is always doubled, but it has become increasingly rare in recent weeks. Instead of doubling Williams, guards are going straight up to linebackers. I don't know why, but Williams has been mediocre for the past month. By the way, were you ever going to respond to my question in the Flacco thread about Joe's giant cap hit, if we were to cut him? You seem to have ignored it.

Honestly, in 2-3 years, Dixon and maybe someone else. I don't see Dixon AND West being here in 2-3 years.

I know this point is disputed by the Bernard Pollard Fan Club, Madden aficionados, and the overly nostalgic, but in 2016, there is no difference between the two safety positions. Both have to be strong in coverage and be able to make tackles in run support. That's how the NFL works these days.

Considering Brandon Williams looked like a backup for the past four games, and Rick Wagner has been our best offensive lineman for most of the year, yes. Williams has not earned the contract he will be offered. Rick Wagner has.

Bad pressure. When you don't win one on ones, it doesn't matter what the call is.

Jeremy Zuttah

Jensen 4 center! Seriously just give him a shot and lets see what happens. Nothing to lose

I'm not going to sit here and say I'm happy with Joe's performance because in all honesty, I'd entertain a competition after this year -- if it was financially feasible. Joe's been terrible and I think I expected more development after the contract. He's regressed since 2014. No reasonable person would have expected that. It's not all on Joe, but he's just been mediocre. He isn't helping himself very much. But it's just not financially feasible to cut him or move in a different direction. I don't even know if it's feasible to have a legitimate competition. There has to be acknowledgment of reality in order to have rational discourse, and the reality is, Joe is our QB -- for better or worse -- for the foreseeable future. The question that needs to be answered is: How do we get the pieces around him that make those years less painful?

Ooof. Tough but fair.

I love Lewis long term as LG or even swing tackle. Maybe even RG. I like him here.

My mind is made up. Lock up Wagner and let William get overpaid elsewhere. I'd rather invest cap space and a roster spot in a lineman that can actually push the pocket in clutch situations.

To be honest, Williams played a terrible second half of the season. #UnpopularOpinion

They neutralized our entire defensive line. None of our trench workers had a good day.

Jeff Zrebiec just tweeted that both Suggs and Jernigan failed to record a stat yesterday -- not even a tackle. I think I found the problem.

How do you propose we deal with the massive amount of dead cap?

It wasn't bad, but it was one of those movies where I felt like I kept waiting for it to get to the good part, and it didn't come until those last 20 minutes or so. I don't know what it was missing, but the big thing, I think, is that I wasn't at all invested in the characters.

He's sometimes a little too cute and pass happy (like Marty), and I think I've heard that he can be arrogant and abrasive, but he's got to be the hot commodity in coming years. The system he runs, too, is the same system that brought Joe Flacco his best season. He's a guy to seriously consider.

Actually, I'd be very much in favor of Josh McDaniels. Before any crazies jump on me, yelling about Josh's terrible stint as Broncos head coach, I'd argue that McDaniels has probably matured a lot in the years since then, especially working under BB. Working under BB is a huge plus for me. Hate him all you want, and I know people will, but Belichick is surpassed in coaching talent by nobody. Sean Payton, Gary Kubiak, and Mike McCarthy are close behind him, but yeah. And, by the way, even Belichick was a sucky Browns head coach before becoming the Emperor of the NFL. I wouldn't be surprised to see McDaniels take a similar career arc.