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As a fan of App State, that's an entirely irrelevant game to bring up, App St runs an option offense, we pass only a handful of times per game and when we do it's quick dump offs and stuff like that. Hardly a game that means anything about him as a pass rusher, hard to net sacks when there is no opportunity to do it anyway. And you've been arguing in favor of Collins on this sub since your mock, you're the one that brought him up here, clearly you were just continuing to push, otherwise there would be no reason to bring him up.

"Exceptionally well against college tackles." As opposed to every other EDGE player in the draft, guess that means they're all busts, right? "So him being dominated by Collins is very relevant." Actually it's entirely irrelevant because it never happened. Which pretty much makes everything you said here about the two completely meaningless, because you simply made up what you keep asserting. They've never faced each other. "So Collin was benched for Leary? it was an injury." right, and when he was healthy he didn't re-enter the lineup. Mainly because he was absolutely terrible to start the season and the line improved while he was gone. Once he was healthy he kept his butt on the bench. And again, never dominated Barnett. And I suppose I'll just highlight the entire last paragraph because it's garbage from start to finish. 1) They never played each other, 2) Really, gonna call Barnett a "slug?" what are you? 12. 3) Collins isn't worth a first rounder straight up, probably not even a second because he's objectively shown jack in the NFL. Constantly injured and when he's on the field he throws out a highlight reel block every once in a while, but that's about it, no consistency has ever creeped into his game.

Tennessee never played LSU while the two were in college. Sorry, I didn't think what I wrote was complicated.

lol, hold the phone, just looked it up, in Barnett's entire career Tennessee has never even faced LSU, in other words this dude just made up Collins dominating Barnett, freshman or not. Last time the two teams faced each other was 2011. Get out of here dude.

"But it is fine to push Barnett?? Cuz you think he is going to be a raven." based on? last I checked I've made 4 or 5 mocks this year, not a single has had Barnett as our pick. As already shown, you comparing a freshman Barnett vs. senior Collins is beyond laughable by itself, 18 year old kid isn't ready to take on a 22 year old player with experience, who'da thunk it? Honestly if you don't understand how that is a ridiculous 1 on 1 to go with then you're beyond help. If the highlight of your love of Collins stems from shutting down an 18 year old kid in college then you've got some issues, lets look at Collins at the NFL level - injury prone and supremely inconsistent, so much so that he got benched for Leary last year; I know that doesn't mesh with your "when he was on the field he was graded as the top guard in the league" narrative, but you have yet to provide any source on that and actually watching him couldn't have led you to that conclusion because he certainly didn't play like a top guard to start last year by any measure. "Barnett doesn't have the burst to put NFL tackles in submissive vulnerable positions." disagree and tape says otherwise. He consistently shows plenty of burst. His get off on the snap isn't the greatest granted, but that's not the same as burst - which he has clearly on tape. "He isn't going to overpower NFL tackles." Point being? that's not every EDGE player's game. Few rookies are able to do that regardless, NFL level strength and conditioning is a beautiful thing and Barnett has shown more than enough strength to set the edge against the run and that's all that matters early in his career. Putting together a proper bull rush is much more dependent on technique and leverage than brute strength. "His technique and hand usage isn't going to work against coached up NFL tackles with pro level technique. Not to mention stronger arms and hands." You're literally making things up at this point, have you ever even watched him before?, technique and hand usage is what Barnett does exceptionally well.

As far as the first round goes I don't think I've cooled on anyone. The guys I liked at the start of the process are pretty much the same guys I like now - and pretty much the same for the players I didn't like. Some later guys though: Eddie Jackson - every early mock, whether published or not, had Jackson going to us, thought the guy was going to be the biggest steal ever when the process started. I still like him and all, but that praise was obviously lofty to say the least and I don't see much of a scenario in which we take him. Ejuan Price - much the same as Jackson, thought he be a huge steal as a situational pass rusher and wanted him bad, now I'm not pushing him hard at all. I still want him and I think he'll be a great pass rusher, though. Pretty much every center - though I wasn't a big fan of the class to start with. Elflein is still my #1 in the class, but it's a pretty lukewarm class to say the least. that's just off the top of my head, I may edit more in when it's not 3am...

I don't want Peppers in the first, but it's a bit unfair to compare him to Elam, Peppers has never had a problem with missed tackles and he displays instincts around the LOS that Elam never did. As a moneybacker or box safety I bet he'll be fine in the NFL and be successful unlike Elam.

I've already watched his tape and what I've said is what I came away feeling about him. I don't think one game is indicative of a player being good or bad, every player has good games and bad games, same reason I think Thomas is super overrated as well. Pushing the lineman back is one thing, haven't criticized him for that, but when it's time to disengage and make the play I don't see him doing it.

don't waste your breathe. Kelly didn't blow up his pro day so now we're going to have to hear him push Collins non-stop, regardless f how ridiculous his praise is.

I don't like Harris either, but everytime I watch Taco he's struggling to get off blocks

Taco Charlton is my go-to for this. i think the first is way to high for a player that struggles to get off blocks. Just because the guy is athletic doesn't mean he can play EDGE, I hear people constantly putting him at EDGE based on his size and athleticism, but when has he shown the ability to play standing up? A front 7 player that can't get off blocks and doesn't have many pass rush moves is the kiss of death. I'm not touching him with a 10 foot pole in the first.

Don't you get me started, bro.

As I said in the explanations, I think moving up for Watt might be the only way we land him, however, I do think it is really possible he does make to our pick assuming a few things happen (and we get a bit lucky): 1) Teams are scared off because he only has one year at the position and some injury history, particularly in his knees. 2) After Garrett and Barnett in the high first, Carl Lawson, Takk McKinley, Charles Harris, Tim Williams, (some would also throw Taco Charlton into that mix, I don't see him ever being an EDGE so I'm not going to put him here, same with Solomon Thomas) and maybe another couple EDGE guys go over him. As far as Lawson, McKinley, Harris, and Williams go, I think they may be taken over him, it's definitely possible, and that may put him within 5 picks of our second (what I would consider realistic "trade range"). Our biggest hopes for him to make it to our pick is if Tyus Bowser or Jordan Willis get reached on before us, Bowser is just an interesting versatile player and Willis tore apart the combine so he could get reached on. 3) All this talk around the draft community of "let's not take a CB early, we can get a starter later" doesn't come to fruition - if there's a run on top corners then of course every position, especially EDGE, is going to drop. Also, all of the top QBs - Kizer, Watson, Trubisky, Mahomes, and maybe even Webb - going before our second would help quite a bit as well. If you want my honestly opinion, I think it's unlikely he makes it to our second pick, maybe not even into trade range, and his name does have something to do with that, but I think it'd be monumentally unfair to say it is entirely his name. But it's fair to say that his name means something and his tape does show the potential of a late first rounder, where he'll probably go. As far as the EDGE guys go, I think Williams and Harris are the guys most likely to make it to our pick in the second, I don't love either, but at least Williams would help our pass rush out a lot early on.

Maybe Woodhead can give give us the secret blueprints for the portal on the down low

Honestly, I think if we can figure out how to travel back in time to get the 2016 SB, then subverting the rookie contract shouldn't be too much of an issue.

Don't forget 2021 and retroactively getting 2016

C'mon man, here we're talking about one guy breaking down one game. I know you watch Voch Lombardi, I just looked it up and he also made a video about Cam that breaks down multiple games (50 mins vs. this one that's just one game and a 10 minute video) and he ends up echoing the same things I said in the other thread about him. I can't tell the future obviously, but we can't just act as if this one video makes a world of difference, when i watch Cam I come away with a very different opinion and I'm not the only one that thinks the guy should be a guard at the next level, and you're not the only one that thinks he'll be a tackle at the next level, one guy's opinion of one game doesn't really alter my opinion at all. All players have good games and all players have bad games, in this one Cam had a good game, against Tenn this year he had a very, very bad game against Barnett, you can't form an opinion of a player based on one game. That's basically the crux of my opinion of Thomas and why I don't think he should go top 10, people are judging him based entirely on his UNC game, every other game there was just a different player - and that happens to all players, watch one tape and you will come away loving or hating anyone.

What makes you so confident in him at tackle? honestly I see him as somewhat similar to Osemele, sure you can put him at RT - as we did with KO his rookie year - and you'll get an overall solid performance, but put him at guard, specifically LG, and you'll get something special. Just my opinion, but I hate his footwork at tackle, speed rushers are a real problem for him, and the guy's biggest positive attributes from what I can see is his strength and his mauler mentality which I feel would be best utilized inside - and inside you can alleviate some of his footwork problems. Maybe I just need to watch him again, but that was my impression when I watched him back in, I think, February.

I wouldn't be disappointed if we take him to play LG, at RT I'm right there with you, I don't think he'll be a great RT - at least not for a couple years. But I think you can plug and play him at LG and he'll be a pro bowl caliber player, so if we do actually want to move Lewis out then I'd be fine with Robinson. Not my preferred pick, but I wouldn't we upset about it.

I agree, I still think he's going in the second. He was in the conversation for the best CB in the entire draft, some team that can afford to red shirt him will take him and get a steal in the second. I doubt we're that team.

It's Switzer, not Strickler

Honestly not upset about this draft, at least not as much as some. In my opinion, if Robinson is playing LG then the value is great, I think he's immediately a pro bowl caliber guard at the next level, OT is another story. Lawson is great value in the second, if it weren't for injury concerns he'd be a lock first rounder. Not much a fan of Tomlinson, so I'd rather we take Sidney Jones or another CB there. I like Brown, big target that has a lot of potential, and I love that he's a willing and aggressive blocker on the outside. Not a huge fan of McNichols, but I guess we can chalk that one up to personal preference, I don't dislike taking a RB at that spot. Five is way late for a CB, I'd be willing to bet a lot that we're taking one earlier. So aside from waiting so long to take a CB I don't think it's a bad draft. Just replace Tomlinson with a CB and the class would be just fine in my opinion.

Do we have a source on this?

I think the consensus is a firm no to Taco... I feel like it's rare that I agree with a mass opinion around here, but this one I'm with the consensus. I really don't like Chaco, as far as our defense goes I wouldn't take him at all. Like Solomon Thomas I hate him for what we do - not comparing them as players, just that their fits both suck with us. I honestly can not ever get behind taking a Dlineman/EDGE in the first that struggles to shed blocks, I mean that's pretty much your one job at that position and Taco is terrible at, an EDGE player that can't get off blocks is a nightmare. Feeney and Kind are steals where you've got them, I'd be happy. I don't think Feeney will make it there, but I'd be ecstatic if we got him even though we would have to play him out of position for a while if he's going to start, but he'll compete at center immediately. I'd like the draft overall, but it'll take me a while to get behind the Taco pick, it'd probably take actually seeing him succeeding at the position to ever get behind it honestly.