BmoreBird22

It would be the other way around if both are coming on board.  Makes no sense to put Dennison as the QB coach when he's been an OL coach most of his career.  Kyle has experience working with QBs.  Kyle's still my horse in the race, he still seems like the best option to me.

That's what I thought, but which would be the better offensive coordinator? Or would it be more like a duel role where both are heavily involved in designing the game plan for the upcoming week?

Kubiak was an OC under Mike Shanahan in Denver.

There are ties everywhere in the NFL (Cameron and Castillo were coaches with Harbs), so I'm not sure why that would have changed there, but the thing is, did Kubiak have like personal ties to Kyle, or did he have some serious reason to do Mike a favor? 

Doesn't change the fact that he helped the Redskins and Texans both turn into top offenses.

Couldn't agree more. I really don't care how long it takes because it's not really hampering the team in any way. We the fans want it to happen quickly just to see if we should get excited or get upset, but reality is you rather have the right decision then the quick decision. We already know the direction we want to go offensively so scouting players and deciding the right type of guys to bring in won't be an issue imo.

Fans can say what they want about Harbs, but the man seems dedicated to making the right decision for this offense and team moving forward.

Honestly, am I upset that he kept Cameron around too long and that he brought Castillo in? Sure, I am a little upset, but I hate these people that say he only picks his buddies, and if Hoss is selected, well, I might lean that way, but if Shanahan or Rick gets it, it'll be of Harbaugh's accord.

Even still, if we get an offensive coordinator who is well versed with the ZBS (not Hoss), I think Castillo will have a much easier time and actually will be able to correctly implement it. And if the new offensive coordinator (not Hoss) succeeds, it'll make those people who say Harbs only highers his buddies, not competent coaches, look silly.

He never was associated with the offense, so I'm not surprised he doesn't have the best scouting abilities when it comes to this and I'm honestly not sure why Ozzie and Steve don't make that choice, but one thing is for sure, he really is dedicated and wants to make the right choice. No one can fault him for that.

I do get it  patience is not my strong suit . they definitely need to get someone on board that can get the offense to function without Flacco being hurt .I hope hiring postion coaches goes a little easier then this.

I know the impatience. I hate seeing teams interview a coach and then announce like two days later that they hired them. I just want to know already and it's going to kill me to have to wait at all tomorrow to hear who it is.

They want to make sure they get the best possible option for Joe Flacco and the run game. I don't blame them for taking so long. This is a HUGE decision for the offense.

Sure, he came up huge in the playoffs and was a great returner, but if we look at his entire body of work, he's a mediocre receiver with a limited route tree and shaky hands. He's an electric returner. Do we pay him $5 million to be just a returner? Heck no.

People love to say we pay'd Joe Flacco based solely off the playoff run. If Jacoby earned $5 million, it'd be the same situation.

Sure, Jacoby was absolutely HUGE and made some awesome plays, but can we really discredit some of the amazing plays that Joe Flacco made in that game? It was a toss up between the two and in that situation, the quarterback will always win.

But, do you suggest way pay him based solely off of one game?

Yeah, instead of Flacco audibling to a play by calling out Bon Jovi, he will instead audible to a play by saying 50 Cent.

This was hilarious

yes it is---but it is the best I can find and he likely has similar verbiage, plays etc. so it is basically just a small look into what plays are out there. Did not mean it as this is Kyles playbook but some stuff we may see if hired

I'd imagine it'd be vastly different because of the time gap

Here is a link to a small portion of the 1996 Denver Broncos Playbook for their mini camp...Gives an idea of what may happen, what looks, route combos etc...Still not sure which guy I am leaning out of the two but I must say scheme wise I have no question I prefer Shanahan.

 

 

Shanahan Playbook--LINK

That's Mike, not Kyle...

I doubt the steelers would allow that to happen. Their front office likes him a lot. They wouldn't block a promotion to OC, but they would defiantly block a lateral move like that. I think they want somebody on staff to take over incase there is mutiny on Haley.

I thought the players had started warming up to Hailey?

I didn't think the steelers would and I was wondering why that would even be a rumor.

Rumor has it that the Ravens are looking at Wilson for their running backs coach opening. Would he really take a lateral step in the division?

good god, press enter every now and then, that is just a wall of text haha.

What is factually incorrect about pro bowlers and stars? Vincent Jackson is a star now and broke out in 2006. Rivers, Gates, Tomlinson LITERALLY went to the pro bowl under Cameron....I think Cameron was actually the OC for the pro bowl that year, maybe im wrong on that one, might of been the Patriots OC at the time.

 

I might be wrong but it sounds like you are being sarcastic about Cameron "making LT". If so you are contradicting yourself. You say that Tomlinson was a top 5 pick but let's give credit to Cameron and you praise what Shanahan did with the number 2 pick in the 2012 draft lol I hope that's not what I am reading!

 

I disagree with your assessment of Joe's accuracy. I don't know if he can consistently put the ball where it needs to be. I think 2010 was his best season and that is when he had Jim Zorn as his QB coach. We need a guy like that to work with Joe.

 

We will see who Harbs goes with, either way, I don't see us being a west coast offense. If they go with Kyle Shanahan, they will definitely need to rehaul the offensive line and see who can do ZBS and who absolutely cannot.

Under Cameron, Jackson put up very Torrey Smith like numbers. Philip Rivers put up worse stats than Joe Flacco. Antonio went to the Pro Bowl under Norv Turner, also. I'd hardly call Jackson and Rivers stars under Cameron. Gates, yes, but as I said, he had his career year without Cameron.

I thought you'd put up a fight if I didn't give Cameron credit for Tomlinson. Tomlinson was shear talent, earning rookie of the year honors and still surpassing 1000 yards without Cameron. Much like AP in Minnesota, I don't think you can mess him up unless you don't give him the ball.

If you ask me, RGIII shouldn't have been touched in the top 20 picks, and the fact that the Redskins took him is much like how Gabbert and Ponder were top 15 picks.

I absolutely think we need a quarterback coach. Drew Brees still had one, so why can't Joe?

I think Osemele, Monroe, and Yanda can do it.i have faith that Ricky Wagner can and I bet they find a free agent center that can.

Some of this is factually incorrect. Philip Rivers never looked that good under Cameron, never breaking 4,000 yards or 30 touchdowns until he left. Same with Drew Brees. Antonio Gates was good under Cameron, but he had his best season without Cameron. Vincent Jackson never broke 1,000 yards under Cameron, but once he left, he had some of his best seasons, and really came alive in Tampa Bay. LaDanian Tomlinson, yeah, he was good under Cameron, but we saw with Rice that Cameron can do well with running backs. Even though Tomlinson was good the year before Cameron and was a top five pick, but we'll give Cameron credit for Tomlinson.

The thing about Slaton was that he was injured the next season and also had fumbling issues. He also lost short yardage duties in preseason. Despite not being the best runner that season, he was actually a really good receiver, showing Shanahan can get the most out of his players if they aren't excelling in one area.

RGIII was dealing with a knee injury and couldn't run the read option. I won't get into how much the read option did for him, but trust me when I say it made life so easy for him. Still, despite not being able to run the read option, the Redskins finished ninth in total yards. 
Sure, some of it comes down to talent, but when a guy like Alfred Morris comes from the sixth round to be a top three rusher in the NFL, you have to give credit to the coordinator. We'll see next season how much of it was Shanahan and how much was just talent.

Joe can make all of the throws, and he has shown that, especially earlier this year when Torrey was running lots of crossing and short routes. It's very hard to look accurate when your receivers can't get open so you have to put it in awkward windows to try to complete the throw. Get the receivers open and we'll see Joe make all of the throws. Like I said, RGIII isn't that accurate, but he looked like the second coming of Jesus under Shanahan when he could run the read option.

It was never just between Kirby and Hostler, and with Hostler not having the job yet, it would likely have been between Kirby and Shanahan, but with Kirby out, it's likely Shanahan.

We hear complaints from the most dysfunctional organization in the NFL, but no one can say a single bad thing about his amazing tenure down there in Houston. Strike anyone as odd? 

I also know the feeling of being around your dad. My dad was my hockey coach and it gave me a little sense of pride and like I had special privileges, such as being entitled to more play time and like I was the golden child of the team. It does happen, and I wouldn't be surprised to hear it happen here.

Oh, he had a bad relationship with an extremely old quarterback who couldn't do anything in his short tenure with the Redskins? Okay, that's what should be the problem. He also was working for one of the most  organizations in the league, so I'm not sure anyone was really happy in Washington.

He turned Steve Slaton (heard of him since?) into a 1000 yard rusher, Matt Schaub into the NFL's leading passer, Alfred Morris into a 1000 yard rusher, and RGIII into the second coming of Jesus. Do you realize how inaccurate RGIII is? He looked amazing in the west coast offense because Kyle knows how to scheme players open. He has consistently had offenses rank in the top 10, including last year when RGIII was hobbled and could no longer run the read option to its full extent.

I don't know why you wouldn't want him. He's a good coach who knows how to scheme his players open and build an offense around the quarterback. The fact that he had Schaub, Slaton, RGIII, and Alfred Morris looking like Pro Bowlers/All-Pros should be enough for you. Hell, even Jordan Reed was looking like a viable weapon, which should give you a lot of hope for Dennis Pitta.

I don't know what coach doesn't have a bit of an ego. He is the youngest ever offensive coordinator in the NFL, and it wasn't even close. I think that would make you a little bit confident, or a lot. It doesn't bother me because he does some of the best work in the NFL, and he'd be in a very strong organization.

Let me ask you, how did the players feel about him in Houston? I hear all this bad stuff from Washington, but nothing about his tenure in Houston. Please, find me some links for that. I've also seen plenty of links from his tenure in Washington where players voiced their love for his ability to scheme the offense open. 

Edit: I find it amusing that you talk about Josh McDaniels having his ego kept in check because he works under Belichick. So, now Harbaugh and company are slouch coaches and execs that are just going to let everything go? Ha, yeah, right. Also, maybe he does rub Joe a little bit like Todd Hailey rubs Ben Roethlisberger, but in case you haven't noticed, Roethlisberger actually has warmed up to Todd Hailey and the offense really started clicking toward the end of the season. It's just that offensive line that's holding them back.

Several, like LeBeau and Dungy were previous players, so they already brought a knowledge of the system, but they also filled multiple roles as coaches. For example, Bellichick spent time as a tight ends coach, wide receiver coach, linebacker coach, and a whole host of others. Adam Gase spent time working as a receivers coach, pass game coordinator, quarterbacks coach, and some other positions. 

Kirby Wilson has experience in the NFL exclusively as a running backs coach, and while he did dabble a very small amount as a receivers coach, the only notable program he did that at was USC for one year. He just doesn't have this very diverse resume and this wide variety of jobs that would give me confidence that he would have a connection with all aspects of the offense.Literally all of those coaches listed had either filled multiple coaching positions or played and filled a specialized coordinator role before actually jumping in and making calls. A couple played and filled a variety of roles before actually calling plays. Just do not like the limited experience of Wilson.