Not at all bc as stm85 pointed out that was more Suggs' conditioning than anything. When it's only one injury, and not a series of multiple, the player almost always comes back fine. That whole "we have no idea if he will be the same player" thing has really lost value in today's NFL and NBA with the upgrades and improvements
I mean, I agree. I tend to side with medicine in 99% of cases and believe that medicine can do the trick to get a player back to where they were.
Like I said, I don't need him, so I was just playing devil's advocate and stirring the pot some.
As for Suggs, he sustained a neck injury, right? I'm sure that had something to do with it.
Suggs came back very strong at the start of last year before tailing off at the end. His conditioning was the problem last season, not his achilles injury.
I think that supposed neck injury might have also played a part in his tapering off.
Not a great comparison...Justin Smith on the other hand has a similar injury and has bounced back just as good as he was before.
It was a fine comparison just to show that injuries can go any which way in the NFL to affect a player.
He hardly played and was playing through a torn tricep...
Suggs was a DPOY and then tore his achilles only to falter off in the next season at only 29. I'm just saying I'd be wary personally, but then again, I don't need him.
Maybe because of his +22.2 grade in his last season and +16.5 the year before than and the fact he's a 26 year old beast of a LT and one of the best blindside protectors in the game?
2013: -5.5 ranked 57th
1. This is the Internet. Sarcasm is hard to pick up on, especially when you don't know the person in real life.Was SAM really the only one who caught the "late rounder" part? jeez...
2. We've used this to discuss actual trades and I'm not surprised people thought it was actual.
Either way, he's not that great and I don't see why people would want him
If you really are interested in a tradeTo get Barr or Mack, you would at least need the 7th overall pick...oh wait, I have that, let's talk shop.
PM meTo get Barr or Mack, you would at least need the 7th overall pick...oh wait, I have that, let's talk shop.
I heard he was planning on a draft first and taking all three with one pickI moved up because there are three players I have in mind that will be there.........
You take any of them and you die..........
Nah, if he goes to a 4-3 team he will probably play SOLB in a role similar to that of Von Miller or Akeem Ayers.
Well, I run the 3-4 and he'd be a very welcome addition
If someone else wants Barr, they can move up before you.
Well at the moment I don't have the pick yo get him, but with Clowney, Barr, and Mack, I think if I made a trade I could be happy with one of the three
You aren't making your target apparent or anything lol
Am I supposed to hide it?
Maybe I thought he was playing defensive end in the 4-3 for some reason. I'm not sure.Tennessee won't take him, they're set at OLB and Ayers has a similar skill set. I think Barr will blow up the combine and his stock will rise back up. The fact that he has some learning to do is due to the fact he's played OLB for 2 seasons, which most teams will take as a sign of a very high ceiling. He's also 6'4 250, which is fairly standard for rush linebackers so I'm not sure where the idea he is small comes from. If he falls out of the top 10 in this game I'd be very tempted to trade up for him.
I might make a big trade just to land him
Real life? I'd say Atlanta with the 6th pick. In this game? I have no idea. No way he escapes the top 10 though.
I think his stock is falling in real life. He's good, but he still has learning to do and he's a bit small. In real life, I see him going to Tennessee. I just need to know his draft stock for this game.
Quick draft question: where does everyone think Anthony Barr goes in the draft? In this game
This is an interview from yesterday on WNST with Eugene Monroe...from Monroe's own mouth: http://bit.ly/MTUf4v
Appears to me Monroe is set to let his agent get the best deal for him, where ever that may be, meaning that he doesn't seem really committed to Baltimore but more looking for the big payday.
I think he said what every player would say. Who's going to be like, "Yeah, I'm gonna take a massive pay cut for the Ravens. I want to be here, so don't even worry about paying me." No, not going to happen.
He's saying all the right things, but I think he wants to be back in Baltimore. His wife wants him back here and he was finally on a winning team. He even said how much people want to be here. I think he's subtly trying to make the Ravens want to pay for him, and I'm sure they will.
I kinda wanna just rearrange my depth chart to have all the players really out of place.
Like, starting NT: Peyton Manning
Jeff fisher believes in developing lineman there's no way they take an OT waste of their pick not to mention a RT is a need, not LT. They have holes at S, WR, and LB. I expect Jake Long to be healthy at seasons start. Honestly how many mock drafts are accurate these so called "experts" guess maybe 4 or 5 picks correct the rest are always wrong. I wouldn't mind retaining Monroe but if he wants elite LT money he's not worth it. PFF graded him out as the 12th best LT. His run blocking isn't great and he does get beat in pass blocking. I'd pay him just not the elite money that he may want
Not the 12th best left tackle, the 12th best tackle. He was the 7th best pass blocking left tackle in the league, something extremely valuable to us.
By the way, PFF doesn't take into account the chemistry of the offensive line. When you have to come to a new team and play with a backup left guard, you won't do well. Offensive lines thrive under chemistry and continuity, something Monroe didn't experience.
Look at the Pro-Bowl. The best offensive lineman in the league (for the most part) and how well did those offensive lines do? Not very because they lacked chemistry.
I believe he's an elite left tackle.
If we go by PFF, he's always a top 10 left tackle, aside from his rookie year. He was number three in 2011, number 10 last year, and number 10 this year. Once he gets a full offseason with the Ravens and a competent left guard, he'll be golden.
Preaching to the choir. That trade is immediately in contention for the dumbest one of the year, and it's a really stiff competition.
What are your top 5?
You mean his 3,5 base?
That would be the one
I wanted Baker until that cap hitSomeone looking for Pass rushers
Umenyora
Biermann
Anyone fancying a S
Thomas DeCoud
and at OT
Sam Baker
Thanks, I see you marked it in the SoF I was going off the trade thread. I have you at 18.5, your trades sum to -2.5 not -3.0 unless I missed something.
You seem to be better than me at it, so I'll take the 18.5
Yup, missed the player in those picks, and then the picks got messed up too. I started trying to sum those off the trade page and something got all screwy.
I'm going to use the June 1st on Clady, so I'll be at 18
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