BmoreBird22

13 minutes ago, The Raven said:

Not to mention it's a bit difficult to look for the ball when in press. In zone, his ball skills are on point.

It's so common for DBs to play the man and not the ball on deep passes. Most of these top guys are press specialists who get grabby deep. He's far from the only one.

I love how people talk about him not turning his head as if it's not coachable.

That's a very rare quality for young corners to have. It's very learned. 

4 hours ago, LosT_in_TranSlatioN said:

So. I've let the pick sit... I'm doing draft grades. I'm going to be honest.

 

I hate this pick. But I do not hate Marlon Humphrey . 

 

Marlon does a lot of things well. He's very good at breaking on the ball, he's got good instincts. He's a very good player. He was third rated corner, and frankly, I think he has a higher floor than most give him credit for. I think when Jimmy goes down, Humphrey becomes invaluable depth. I eventually think that by mid-season he could be a good starter. He's got a lot of things that I like. Likewise, he could eventually play safety since he's better going towards the ball than he is backpedalling. Overall. Marlon isn't the issue for me. 

 

My issue is passing up on Jonathan Allen. What the hell were we thinking? We trade away a damn good interior rusher when he was on his A game and have one fall right into our laps and we pass on him. Even with those shoulders, I do not understand that.

 

Don't get me wrong. Marlon is more likely than not to become a good player in my eyes. But my god. Freaking Allen was there. Smh Ozzie. What are you doing?

 

overall player grade: B. I think that by mid-season Humphrey gets the starting gig and does a good job. 

 

Overall Grade: F. You get a bonafida stud and pass on him. What was Ozzie thinking?

Not gonna lie, you're as bad as Sami with overreactions

Apparently the 49ers were very enamored with this player to the point that they would have taken him much earlier in trade back scenarios, so it works to get him at 31.

Just now, The Raven said:

Okay, yeah, that does sound like fitting like a glove. 

This pick, paired with the Carr signing, sets a clear vision to me: gone are the days of the 15 yard cushion. Regardless of the shell, it looks clearly like we're playing at the line and shutting down those easy dump offs the Patriots have killed us with time and time again.

I remember watching a lot of games later in the season and I'd notice that the Ravens would press the lesser skilled receivers and give too much respect to receivers that are considered top tier (this was without Jimmy). Like, Wright/Young would press an Eli Rogers or a Hawkins, but would lay off of Brown or Pryor.

I think Humphrey and Carr both bring a mentality of never backing down.

Just now, The Raven said:

What do you like about him?

I think it's a great pick overall, but I actually have some questions about how and where he fits. From what I've read, it seems he's a press guy who struggles in off man. I've heard he's not good on the inside. Which makes me wonder where he'll fit. Will Carr slide in? Or will we see if Marlon can do that?

And, is Pees going to commit to a press-heavy coverage philosophy? Last year, it was all about off man and break on the ball. Jimmy's not the bets fit for that type of approach, and if Marlon is a Jimmy-clone as I've read, I wonder how the scheme will adjust. Hopefully it's a lot of bump and run or press bail. From the little I've seen and read, it seems Marlon was born for press bail.

I think Humphrey can play off man. He's got to clean up his footwork and plant and drive a little bit and stop opening his hips so quickly, but he's got excellent route recognition to understand what's going to be coming. He actually masks some of the plant and drive issues by being so smart to understand what the receiver wants to do.

Prototypical press corner. Excellent length and speed to press and recover if beaten. 

He's going to excel in zones where he doesn't have to turn his head too much early. Let him see the play develop, digest the route, and use his length to disrupt the play.

I expect a lot of Tampa 2 and Cover 3 this year with press being the primary look being shown on the outside. The Tampa 2 requires excellent tackling corners and you now have three in Jimmy, Young, and one that can hit like a truck in Humphrey.

1 minute ago, SepticeyePoe said:

@BmoreBird22 @rmw10 Could you guys give a breakdown on Humphrey's strengths and weaknesses? 

I've seen him called the best corner within 10 yards of the line of scrimmage and I'd agree.

Excellent height/weight/speed/length to be a physical press man corner that can blow up screens and outside runs. And he's the best run defending corner in the draft, bar none. He's very aggressive and can hit like a truck.

He recognizes and digests routes well. He makes pretty good breaks on the balls, but will get much better with better footwork. 

He struggles on deep balls. He'll flip his hips too early to defend the deep ball and bites on double moves. Average ball production that should spike with better footwork. Does not turn his head enough at the moment.

1 minute ago, ALSKAN RAVEN FAN said:

it will be someone did not do their homework and yes pre-draft visit is part of the homework for the draft.

See my above.

A pre-draft visit weighs even less than the combine and pro day and those should make up under 15% of the evaluation process.

Just now, ALI624 said:

Whatever man.

Let's put it this way...

A pre-draft visit is for answering questions. If you have none, why use one of your visits on a player with no questions that need to be answered?

Just now, JoeyFlex5 said:

more like a stiff neck lol

I think he's got a little lack of confidence in his deep ball skills. He'll get there.

Just now, ALSKAN RAVEN FAN said:

If he does not pan out this will be talked about in the future among the fans for sure. Just not on these boards.

It will have ZERO to do with a pre draft visit...

Just now, ALI624 said:

I don't know maybe to get to know him. Work him out. See if he can learn a playbook.

You can do that without having him in for a private visit...

You know, by knowing the entire Alabama coaching staff...

Just now, The Raven said:

I mean damn they said the same thing about Jimmy, and injuries aside, Jimmy is phenomenal. I'm not pressed.

He's got plenty fluid hips. Actually did really well in the three cone for what you'd expect. He just flips his hips too early to give himself a cushion to protect against the deep ball.

3 minutes ago, RaineV1 said:

No pass rusher other than Barnett was worth picking at 16.

I don't even think he was worth it at 16, personally.

Just now, ALI624 said:

We picked him without bringing him in for a visit? Are you freaking kidding me? Has Ozzie lost his mind? May he will be great, but you don't take a guy in the first round without bringing him in for a visit smh.

Why not?

7 minutes ago, JO_75 said:

I thought we were supposed to improve pass rush to hide the secondary weaknesses, yet we are improving the secondary in hopes to cover for the lack of pass rush?

Which pass rusher do you take at 16, though? I thought Harris was up there in rankings, but past that, you'd be banking on the potential of Charlton.

1 minute ago, The Raven said:

Has it occurred to anyone that this guy might actually be a good addition or is everyone just pissed that they weren't original enough to pick him in their mock? I can't help but think people are just pissed because nobody saw it coming.

People are pissed because they heard he has stiff hips and ate it up like a buffet. 

1 minute ago, Drew P said:

Interesting since Humphrey was their highest rated player by far

Yeah, of the available players...

2 minutes ago, rmcjacket23 said:

It's a perfect scenario. You don't have to start Humphrey in year 1.

I think he's one that will struggle with PI on deep balls early, but as soon as he learns to turn and locate the ball and play his man confidently, he'll be a menace.

Just now, MrPlankton said:

In terms of play style, health or both?

I think in terms of being a height, weight, speed specimen that doesn't turn his head. Past that, I don't really see it.

1 minute ago, JO_75 said:

Well sure, but like I said counting $13M against the cap and not staying healthy, we could go with Carr and Lattimore as our starters on the outside in 2018.

With the age and leveled off talent of Carr, I'd be shocked to see this be the case.

Jimmy is willing to take a pay cut to help the team and if the team needs cap room, I imagine he'd be open to helping.

I am beyond excited. Humphrey fits like a glove in this defense. I have so much hope that he'll be an excellent pro for so many years to come.

I called this one.

1 minute ago, Jacquouille said:

Yeah for sure. Ain't mad though, I was beyond mad with Stanley so I've learned to shut it down and trust the pros.

I thought Stanley would be great, but was meh because it wasn't Ramsey or Elliot. 

For this pick, I am beyond ecstatic.

1 minute ago, JO_75 said:

The Humphrey pick makes more sense when you consider this:

Could be Jimmy Smith's final season. With his injury history as of late and he counts $13M against the cap in 2018. Just saying.

I think it has a lot more to do with Carr being essentially a series of one year deals...

Just now, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

I'll give it to you man. Great call. I almost put him as my pick in the 10k contest bc I thought he was the most likely that no one else would guess but switched to Harris last second. 

I mean look - the WR's, Barnett and Reddick were gone. 

Clearly Allens medical isn't clean. 15 other teams passed on maybe the 2nd most talented player in the draft. And fosters got red flags everywhere. 

 

And look at our secondary. If Humphrey can be shutdown.... you cannot throw on us. 

This is a pick that's going to look much better in the context of the whole draft. A pass rusher will be there for us round 2. Hit OL and WR 3rd and let's roll. 

If we can get Tim Williams tomorrow I'm ecstatic. 

I'm looking for Carl Lawson right now, but Humphrey has me so hyped up. 

I had no idea about this contest, but Humphrey would have been my pick, not that I think I would have won that $10k, anyway. I'm never lucky.

I think if Jimmy goes down, you finally have viable depth on the outside. If Carr doesn't pan out, you have viable depth. If you just want to go into a heavy rotation, you have the guys now.

This is an awesome pick and one that will look better down the road.