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1 hour ago, Tank 92 said:

Saying this without recognizing that his leading receiver basically fell down to the turf pretty much each and every time he caught the ball is ignoring fact. Everyone knows Flacco was tentative at times last year and that the passing game was inefficient, but framing it in that manner is an attempt to "gloss over" many reasons it was inefficient. 

Whether or not Pitta fell down, Flacco did himself no favors by 1. Having tunnel vision to Pitta and 2. Using the check-down far too often.

27 minutes ago, frozen joe flacco fan said:

They will continue to produce stats that prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that Joe had a lousy, stinking year despite the fact he threw for more than 4,000 yards. Yes, his YPA was low this year

The issue is the last point, which you attempted to gloss over.

Flacco led the league in passes for 16 weeks and barely fell short of first when Brees passed him in the final week of the season.

He had a paltry 6.4 yards per attempt to go along with only 20 touchdowns. 

For that many passes, you'd love to see closer to 5,000 and 30.

1 hour ago, The Raven said:

A "pure press" corner who is selective in applying hands sounds inherently contradictory, but I guess I'll just chalk it up to semantics....

When you say "pure press," do you mean press man, or pressing before dropping into zone (a la tampa 2 style). 

I'd venture he means he lines almost exclusively on the LoS.

Looking to use my early sixth and seventh and depth to move up in the draft some.

@LosT_in_TranSlatioN I know you love some Sheldon Day

2 hours ago, RavensDieHard21 said:

Why is that 

I watch a lot of Clemson, but I'm no offensive line specialist.

He's big, but not overly strong, and he's not very agile. He doesn't move well in space and quicker tackles will take advantage of his plodding feet. 

I think he's got an outside chance to be a backup, but not someone I'd want starting more than here or there as needed.

51 minutes ago, ravensnick said:

As a Texas fan, I understand. It was pitiful watching our terrible defense lose us every game, despite the fact a certain RB would try to carry the team on his back. 

Fuente kinda fixed it, but his east-west philosophy just didn't do Hodges favors.

He's a prospect who will be a better pro than college player and that's kinda scary.

As for the Texas running back, honestly surprised to see he hasn't gone yet.

1 hour ago, ravensnick said:

Hardly what I call a homer pick. I wouldn't have complained if Hodges went mid second round. That size/speed combination is really, really rare.

I'm a VT alum, so I always try to find a way to work them onto my roster despite some bigger needs.

He's a freak athlete. I'm just upset Loeffler wasted two years of him in his offense.

4 hours ago, RavensDieHard21 said:

Best center is going to be Elflein. He would be a great move in the second. Underrated centers are Kyle Fuller from Baylor and Jay Guillermo from Clemson. I like Guillermo as a fourth round pick. He handled business in the playoffs and handled the vaunted Alabama front without any concerns. He could be a nice move 

I think Guillermo is going undrafted and I won't be shocked if the Ravens don't even sniff him.

8 hours ago, Tru11 said:

even if you combine the defense and special teams , the offense still has over 23 mil off the cap tied into them..

offense 83 mil
defense 53 mil
ST 8.4 mil.

maybe the offense just needs to start pulling their weight rather then needing huge investments again...

also i dont get using the pats as an example.
the way brady has been playing it makes sense to give him all he needs.
you know he is going to come out and play like MVP for majority of the games from week 1 all the way to the SB.

with flacco you dont know what you get on a weekly basis in the regular season but you do know that he steps up his game in the play offs.
makes more sense to build a team that can carry him to the play offs and he then takes over rather then build a team that relies on him to get them to the play offs.

This is kinda where I'm at with it in a way. The front office, in my opinion, must believe one of three things.

1. The Ravens aren't capable of developing young receivers. I would have believed this very much during the tenure of Jim Hostler and that would be supported by always bringing in these older, established veterans, but I just don't see it now. Engram is a really great receivers coach and we've seen great strides from players like Aiken and Perriman. I think if Engram were really given a bonafide star in the draft to work with (like Mike Williams), he could coach out any deficiencies and turn him into a superstar in the league.

2. The Ravens think Joe can do it all on his own and doesn't need a supporting cast around him. This one is just total bogus no matter who the quarterback is, except for one. I have only ever seen Andrew Luck do so much more with so much less and he was quite possibly the greatest draft prospect in NFL history, so we know that this isn't true.

3. The Ravens believe that no matter who they put out there, Joe is going to look exactly like he has for his entire career. Now, I know Joe hasn't had the greatest group of receivers in the world, but it seems that no matter who's out there, Joe is going to just make the same mistakes and the same throws. It doesn't matter if he has a Gronk or Julio; he's going to be who he is. He's gone through so many receivers, different offensive coordinators, and different philosophies and he's still playing the exact same. Sure, maybe if he had Gronk, Julio, Megatron, AJ Green, and Bell in their primes, he might be lighting up the stat sheet, but no quarterback has anything close to that.

I think the front office is resigned to the idea of giving Joe just enough to work with and not leaving him out to dry, but not hinging all their money on a receiver/tight end group that'd rival the best in the league because Joe is still going to be Joe no matter who is out there. 

7 minutes ago, rossihunter2 said:

i dont know that there will be such a run on qbs this year (i do say that every year but this year really feels like teams are honing in on how bad the quality is - id be surprised if more than 5 (maybe 6) qbs went before day 3)

I think we'll see Trubisky, Kizer, Watson, Mahomes, and one of Peterman/Webb/Kaaya go before the fourth.

6 minutes ago, rossihunter2 said:

 

 

after thinking about it i have a feeling you're thinking of malik mcdowell

This sounds a little better. McDowell was probably it.

Just now, ravensnation5220 said:

Oh I thought Tim did pretty well with the combine interview. I wonder what went wrong

I don't know that it was him. There was just one player with off the field that bombed it. I wish I could remember who.

Just now, ravensnation5220 said:

Mike williams? I always thought he sounded really uneducated in interviews to be honest. 

Did you know Matt Miller had the ravens taking cook in his latest mock

No, Tim Williams.

I know he does and Miller does his mocks with the idea that the teams needs that position and then mocks a player where he thinks they're rated, not necessarily where he thinks they'll actually go.

5 minutes ago, Edgar said:

Ok. But all those guys with the exception of Dawkins are mid 1 to early 2.

3 minutes ago, rossihunter2 said:

even dawkins i could see going early on in the 2nd round if a team falls in love with him / is extremely needy and missed out on the other guys, especially at tackle (ostensibly i see dawkins as pretty much the 2nd tackle in the class behind ramzcyk because i project all the other guys as interior guys)

We have to remember that even if they are rated highly, there's a lot of very quality pass rushers in the first two rounds, very quality corners in the first two, always quarterback needy teams, some very quality corners in the first two rounds, five other lineman that I think could go before Elfein (who is scheme limited), and some very good linebackers. 

We have to weigh out what teams are going to pick. Teams are very much going to flock to quarterback, pass rusher, corner and safety above all else, and given the immense depth of PR (OLB and DL), CB, and S, teams will go for those very quickly. I think Indi will draft a lineman in the first and I think Seattle will. That's it for me in the first. 

I think Elfein has a good chance to fall.

5 minutes ago, rossihunter2 said:

the only mock or impression ive seen that has williams falling to the third or even close to it is chad reuter's recent 4 round mock which was a mishmash of good picks and absolute travesties - i have to say that all the info at the moment is pointing towards williams's problems not manifesting themselves that much in his draft stock but i guess we can hope - if he fell to the 2nd id take him there - i wouldnt wait for the 3rd

I know Matt Miller has him really low rated because of off the field and he's consistently communicating with teams, so I don't know. I can't remember what he said about Williams at the combine. He said one prospect with some off the field was really bad in interviews and it might have been Williams.

9 hours ago, Edgar said:

Overall, I find this mock disappointing and unrealistic (of course, no one knows where a  player will go for certain to be sure but I won't resist pretending I do).

1) I like Williams but I'd be curious as to else you have available at your projected selection.

2) Jones makes sense because of value but you selected no other CB'S in this mock.....leaving us staying pat this year at the position as Jones will likely miss. In a year with so many guys available in mid rounds with potential to start, my opinion is you miss out majorly in that regard.

3) Like to see Elflein there but I really doubt it. Great pro ready and versatile lineman would offer crazy fortune if he were there.

3) I've watched Bowser....tell me what convinces you about him? 

4) Moton probably not there.

5) haven't watched

6) probably my favorite pick.....a future starter for us.

If I had to mock it all the way out, I'd have it going 1. Garrett 2. Allen (I know there are concerns over his shoulders, but I'm not seeing how serious it is yet according to teams) 3. Adams 4. Thomas 5. Hooker 6. Trubisky 7. Lattimore 8. Fournette 9. Foster 10. Howard 11. Barnett 12. Watson 13. Kizer 14. Wilson 15. Boles

I think the Ravens currently have three capable corners and grabbing a fourth would give the Ravens four capable of starting. There are more pressing needs than to really go heavy in on a corner laden draft.

Bowser, for me, is just hitting the potential that he has. He was a basketball player on top of being a football player, so he moves really well for his size and has great athleticism. When he finally fully committed to football, he really started to get a lot better. He's got to learn more moves and add more weight, but he's a very high potential player.

Moton is a very small school prospect who isn't day one ready and may have a future at guard over tackle, so that'll knock him some.

He's a fullback, so not too exciting. 

@rossihunter2 @Edgar Regarding Elfein, I would see Lamp, Feeney, Dawkins, Robinson, Boles, and Ramchyzk all going before Elfein. That's six lineman I could see going before the Ravens pick in the third. I think we should also remember Elfein isn't very mobile, so he's only going to be looked at by man-to-man blocking teams, so that already limits his suitors. 

I would think he goes late second/early third at the highest.

17 minutes ago, allblackraven said:

I'm little surprised since we talked about it little bit before but I like it for the most part. I would probably try to get better edge rusher in 2nd and wait for Jones in rd 3, I think he might slip that far.

You know, I was really thinking about that, but I didn't want all the, "It's so unrealistic comments." If I were to put Jones in the third, I'd slot in Lawson, Watt, or Anderson, not necessarily in that order. 

I think there's actually a chance Tim Williams falls to the third based on his off the field concerns, but I think Ozzie has enough connections to make sure that he'd be a good pick. 

Before the injury to Jones, I would have been all for taking a corner in round one and pass rusher in round two, but because of Jones injury likely allowing him to fall further, I think the Ravens can stand to wait a wee bit longer on corner/pass rusher.

I have a very early sixth and seventh round pick. I am looking to trade up and would be willing to trade depth players to move up.

31 minutes ago, purpletide said:

OK. I though I remembered hearing something that could make us not pick him up, but not too sure that takes him off our list.

I think if the Ravens wanted him, they have Woodhead, Weddle, and the new OL coach to all give a very complete review of King and the type of player he is. 

So, generally I do my mocks where I'll write up a really long breakdown of each player and why I think the Ravens will take them, but the breakdown seems redundant with the several threads we have. If anyone has a question about what I see or what I like, just tag my name and I'll be more than happy to answer.

Round One: Mike Williams, WR, Clemson

Mike Williams is my current top receiving prospect and it's been that way since last year, so why would I have him going at 16 to the Ravens? Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised at all if Mike Williams went in the top 10, but I think Tennessee is the best bet in the top 10 to take him and they have more pressing needs on defense. I would have also thought the Eagles would have gone WR, but with the recent signings of Torrey Smith and Alshon Jeffrey to pair with Jordan Matthews, Nelson Agholor, and Dorial Green-Bechkham, I just can't see them targeting a receiver. Other teams to watch may be Arizone (whom I expect to go QB) or Buffalo (whom I expect to go DB), but we shall see.

I think this is a great year for the Ravens to land a top tier receiver in the draft. I think this will finally give Joe the true number one receiver that he's never truly had to grow with (Perriman pending). If Perriman works out and Williams reaches even half of his potential, the Ravens would have an excellent wide receiver duo that's actually young for the first time in Joe's career. That's a big deal. If the Ravens want Joe playing better than he did last season, they've got to surround him with weapons and they can make that happen with the 16th overall pick.

Round Two: Sidney Jones, CB, Washington

The prognosis on Jones' achilles tear isn't horrible, but there's still a very good chance he misses a good portion of the 2017 season. If you aren't able to play day one as a rookie, you're going to drop in the draft. Remember Aaron Colvin? He tore his ACL in Senior Bowl practices and went from being a first round talent to a fourth round pick by the Jaguars. Given that Jones only tore his achilles and should recover quicker, it may only drop him a round or two. 

Fortunately for the Ravens, with the recent signing of Brandon Carr, the necessity to have Jones be ready day one has been mitigated. He can take his time and fully work back to being fully healthy and not be rushed into immediate action.

And on the bright side, the Ravens really wanted Marcus Peters back in 2015 and Jones works out routinely with Peters and seems to have taken up his aggressive, gambler attitude that makes Peters such a dangerous corner.

Round Three: Pat Elfein, OC/OG, Ohio State

The Ravens wanted to get bigger, stronger, and nastier up front and not put as much focus onto players with finesse and fancy footwork. Luckily for the Ravens, Elfein has a great deal of core and leg strength to spark a run game and has a wrestling background that gives him a leg up in man to man blocking schemes. He's bigger, stronger, and nastier than Zuttah and might be the reason the Ravens haven't actually gone hard in on a center in free agency. 

In addition to being an exact fit for what the Ravens want to do offensively on the line, Elfein is also the most pro ready of any of the interior day prospects. He's the exact type of prospect that can come in and immediately be solid in pass pro, but really kick start an offensive line and the running game. 

He's also an excellent leader with relentless work ethic. He's just a match made in heaven for the Ravens. I would fully expect a trade up (maybe use that sixth from the 49ers), but since this is a mock, I'm not going to be doing any trades.

Round Three: Tyus Bowser, OLB, Houston

He's not going to be the immediate answer that most fans are looking for at pass rush. He won't be a strong run defender and he might not even be a day one starter. However, Tyus Bowser will be an early starter in his career and he will be an impact pass rusher. He's just too athletic and too good in space to not be good. Bowser has also shown excellent improvement from 2015 to 2016. He's just scratching the surface of his potential and due to not blowing the college game up, he might fly under the radar by scouts who don't really dig deep into their prospects.

He doesn't give an immediate Suggs replacement, but he does give an immediate Doom replacement.

Round Four: Taylor Moton, OT/OG, Western Michigan

If I'm being honest, I'm not sure Moton ever really makes it out to right tackle, but he can still be a replacement for Marshal Yanda down the road. 

This pick, again, goes back to wanting to get bigger, stronger, and nastier up front. Moton isn't the most athletic, but he's extremely thick and extremely strong. If you watch him against Ohio State in 2015, he just moves around the defensive line of Ohio State like they're little boys. He's going to be a road grader and a player who will have his way with his man when lined up with a hat on a hat.

Round Five: Sam Rogers, H-Back, Virginia Tech

Everyone gets one homer pick and this one is mine.

Rogers may not be a very well known prospect because he played fullback at Virginia Tech, but he's essentially a Juice clone. If the Ravens want to bring back in a strong lead blocker who can run the ball and catch the ball (and even throw it from time to time), then Rogers is the guy to target in this draft. And he's white, too. It'll be like Juice never left!

Rogers was an incredible leader with excellent work ethic for Tech and functioned as a jack of all trades for Tech. Just plug him into the offense and tell him to go to work. He'll do it all without a single complaint.

Round Six: Rayshawn Jenkins, S, Miami

Jenkins isn't the new age type of safety that teams gravitate toward with the ability to be a single high player, but he does fit well with what the Ravens may be moving toward after the signing of Tony Jefferson.

Jenkins has only average speed and instincts to be a single high safety, but has enough of both to be a two high safety. He's big, strong, and long and will punish players and make them think twice before catching the ball. That's more than enough to ask for when considering he'd be a sixth round pick. 

Just now, purpletide said:

I think I heard that Dunlap has DV in his past am I mistaken?

I don't think it was DV. He broke a restraining order from an ex. 

I think I'd rather take the chance on Clady, but Dunlap has experience with the current OL coach, so there's that.

31 minutes ago, 52520Andrew said:

You know I am a fan, could be really good early if he goes to the right team

My nightmare is him going to NE and pairing with Gronk.

Homer pick aside, I think Hodges is the best receiving tight end in the NFL draft. He's 6'7" fast, explosive, and aggressive. He runs excellent routes and is a terror up the seam. The only area you wish he'd improve is those 50/50 balls. He'll make the tough grabs, but needs to get that vice grip for those contested balls.