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Bears are apparently locked into a secondary player.

If it were on talent alone, I'd have him going two overall and no later than four, but if teams are really that concerned that he won't hold up, he'll slide.

So teams do take these very seriously. Myles Jack fell to the second round.

We'll see come draft day, but I could see him falling far due to medicals. Apparently some teams are taking John Ross off their boards entirely.

He's had shoulder surgery and apparently has bad arthritis in them or something more serious. Apparently it's a HUGE red flag to teams.

I think Elfein being pretty much a man blocker is going to drop him and that's okay for me 100%. I think he can step in day one and excel in a man scheme and be a great pro. I'm not sure he'll be elite ever, but he's going to be a 10 year starter and that's a great get. Even if he's just average, that's huge in the third. I think Lawson is better than Barnett if he can stay healthy, which might be why I don't want Barnett in the first. I see Lawson as being what Upshaw should have been. Absolute man strength and hand fighting and excellent burst and explosion to get to the quarterback. Just a bit tight hipped and not the most agile, but if he gets a line to the quarterback, it's game over. Who would you take over Humphrey?

I would never say he has poor awareness. He's got some of the best awareness and route recognition in the draft. I think the biggest issue for me is he's so quick to open his hips and turn to run because he doesn't turn his head and play the ball well. Keep the play in front and let him see the ball and he's great. Know another corner who struggled when the play got behind him and bit on double moves? Jimmy Smith. I see the massive potential and scheme fit and I love him here.

That assumes they get one overall for Rosen.

Suggs tested poorly but was monstrous on the field with his athletics. Not comparable

I don't know who these Orioles are, but their ability to get strong starts from Miley, Baldy, Asher, and Aquino is non Oriole like.

I think Humphrey is a perfect fit for the Tampa 2 and Cover 3 that the Ravens use. Great route recognition, decent enough hips to break on balls, great length and speed; just panics with his head turned. Put him in a position where he can work his man to the sideline and keep the play in front of him and I think he'll do well. He won't make it out of round one with Seattle and I fully expect him to go much higher. I just can't see the Ravens going day one OT. Apparently the Ravens are high on Wesley and they have Lewis as a dark-horse out at RT. It's not that I think Cam is a bad prospect. I actually think he's better than most people give him credit for. It's just that I don't think the Ravens would pass over a CB, WR, or OLB for an OT. I think that with Barnett, he's probably in the early 20's for me as a prospect, but when I did this, the needs of teams just kind of had him being passed over. Of the teams that I had passing over him, I would have said Giants, Cowboys, Packers, and Steelers. With Reddick, I love the player. I think he's going to be one of the better players to come out of this draft. I just think he fits better in the 4-3 as an OLB. I'm not sure his best fit is 3-4 OLB and I see little value in taking a second ILB.

Moton is pretty much pegged into strictly a man blocking scheme and even then, he has to have major improvement to his footwork. He isn't quick and will give up the edge pretty easily. He's also slow to actually get out his punch, so he's just got to get quicker and faster before he's ready to start. I see no way a team takes him in the second. Apparently dating back to the Senior Bowl, the Ravens had been raving about Humphrey and showing vast interest. Of course, this was before signing Carr, but that won't stop the Ravens from drafting a corner. Humphrey is an excellent fit for the Tampa 2 and Cover 3, both staples of the Dean Pees defense. He's a scheme fit, a fit from a need perspective, and a first round talent from Ozzie's alma mater where he has connections. He's fully who I expect to be the pick (barring someone like Mike Williams being there). I think Barnett might be the most overrated prospect on these boards. You can find my thoughts on him all over the place. I'll fully support it if he's the pick, but he's far from my top choice. I also think you can get better value with a Lawson (second) or Tim Williams (third) than taking Barnett at 16. With Allen, those shoulders are apparently turning in major red flags. I don't think he comes even close to the Ravens if they check out, but if he begins to slide into the teens, I think he falls past the Ravens because that's a big red flag to how bad those shoulders are. I think Wilson is one of the top DB's in the class and I fully expect him to be a starter because of his vastly advanced ability to excel in press. He just lacks the long speed, but there's going to be a team that will value his technique over his athleticism (Seattle anyone?) and I'd bet money he goes in the first.

I am not the biggest fan of Davis. I think he's going to have a rough transition to the actual competition of the NFL. He was in a conference where he was bigger, faster, and stronger than most people he played against. I think he only went over 100 yards two times in the seven times he played power five conference teams. I like Reddick, but see no value in taking another ILB in the first. The Ravens churn out UDFA's like there's no tomorrow. Allen has major shoulder issues, apparently, and I think he's in for a big draft day slide. I see zero chance of the Ravens taking another OT in the first. Cook has a DV in his past and the Ravens have said they won't consider that. Not a fan of Barnett like most here. He lacks lateral agility, good bend, burst, and explosion. That isn't a good recipe to be an NFL edge rusher.

This wasn't a case of what I think the Browns SHOULD do. This is fully what I expect them TO DO. Plus, I think the Browns are building an excellent core. They still have missing pieces, but they're really working toward being a good team. I don't think they'll get the first overall pick next year to land Rosen otherwise they'd wait.

Peterman, from what I've heard, is being viewed in a similar light as Prescott as a later round guy capable of starting early. I think he and Kaaya are both forgotten in the shuffle. I really don't understand the hate for Humphrey.

I think there's a chance we see only two receivers go in the first (Ross is iffy for me) and after the established top five (Williams, Davis, Ross, Kupp, Jones), the rankings become fluid. I think in a game where speed is so enamored with, JJSS is going to be overlooked because he won't be a deep threat and really isn't great when given the chance to go deep and he doesn't separate easily.

I'm of the mindset that he's very refined and going to be a great pro, but he just lacks the elite athletic traits to make me think he could actually be an elite DE.

Greatest post I have ever seen on the boards.

I think Marlon Humphrey is a real darkhorse for the Ravens.

Just reporting what I'm hearing. I can't decide whether I'd be happy to have Barnett or really pretty meh. Like, I fully expect him to be a really good pro; I just don't see that elite pro

Couple notes- First, I think the consensus, at the moment, is that the Bears will go DB first. Whether that's Lattimore, Humphrey, Wilson, Adams, or Hooker, I think they're pretty locked into a DB. Been hearing a lot of buzz lately that the Browns will look to trade up to the sixth overall spot to secure Trubisky. Allen apparently has some BAD shoulders and the thought right now is he'll slide.

Just a note on trading Jernigan and getting a return now vs getting it two years from now in a later round- This is being praised as one of the top DB classes ever by some scouts. Getting another very high third in a loaded DB class (Ravens and DB issues have been going on for a while), so that's a huge deal.

Apparently one team found Kevin King to have seventh round film, but first round size, weight, speed.

1. Mike Williams 2. Tre White 3. Tim Williams (yes, I think the off the field could knock him this far) 3. Pat Elfein

I'd be all for trading back in the second to land Elfein.