BmoreBird22

Rumor has it that the Ravens are looking at Wilson for their running backs coach opening. Would he really take a lateral step in the division?

Under Cameron, Jackson put up very Torrey Smith like numbers. Philip Rivers put up worse stats than Joe Flacco. Antonio went to the Pro Bowl under Norv Turner, also. I'd hardly call Jackson and Rivers stars under Cameron. Gates, yes, but as I said, he had his career year without Cameron.I thought you'd put up a fight if I didn't give Cameron credit for Tomlinson. Tomlinson was shear talent, earning rookie of the year honors and still surpassing 1000 yards without Cameron. Much like AP in Minnesota, I don't think you can mess him up unless you don't give him the ball. If you ask me, RGIII shouldn't have been touched in the top 20 picks, and the fact that the Redskins took him is much like how Gabbert and Ponder were top 15 picks. I absolutely think we need a quarterback coach. Drew Brees still had one, so why can't Joe? I think Osemele, Monroe, and Yanda can do it.i have faith that Ricky Wagner can and I bet they find a free agent center that can.

Some of this is factually incorrect. Philip Rivers never looked that good under Cameron, never breaking 4,000 yards or 30 touchdowns until he left. Same with Drew Brees. Antonio Gates was good under Cameron, but he had his best season without Cameron. Vincent Jackson never broke 1,000 yards under Cameron, but once he left, he had some of his best seasons, and really came alive in Tampa Bay. LaDanian Tomlinson, yeah, he was good under Cameron, but we saw with Rice that Cameron can do well with running backs. Even though Tomlinson was good the year before Cameron and was a top five pick, but we'll give Cameron credit for Tomlinson. The thing about Slaton was that he was injured the next season and also had fumbling issues. He also lost short yardage duties in preseason. Despite not being the best runner that season, he was actually a really good receiver, showing Shanahan can get the most out of his players if they aren't excelling in one area. RGIII was dealing with a knee injury and couldn't run the read option. I won't get into how much the read option did for him, but trust me when I say it made life so easy for him. Still, despite not being able to run the read option, the Redskins finished ninth in total yards. Sure, some of it comes down to talent, but when a guy like Alfred Morris comes from the sixth round to be a top three rusher in the NFL, you have to give credit to the coordinator. We'll see next season how much of it was Shanahan and how much was just talent. Joe can make all of the throws, and he has shown that, especially earlier this year when Torrey was running lots of crossing and short routes. It's very hard to look accurate when your receivers can't get open so you have to put it in awkward windows to try to complete the throw. Get the receivers open and we'll see Joe make all of the throws. Like I said, RGIII isn't that accurate, but he looked like the second coming of Jesus under Shanahan when he could run the read option. It was never just between Kirby and Hostler, and with Hostler not having the job yet, it would likely have been between Kirby and Shanahan, but with Kirby out, it's likely Shanahan.

This is what I was just saying. We hear complaints from the most dysfunctional organization in the NFL, but no one can say a single bad thing about his amazing tenure down there in Houston. Strike anyone as odd? I also know the feeling of being around your dad. My dad was my hockey coach and it gave me a little sense of pride and like I had special privileges, such as being entitled to more play time and like I was the golden child of the team. It does happen, and I wouldn't be surprised to hear it happen here.

Joe is plenty accurate, but the receivers we have seem to be plenty poor at getting open on those routes. The deep ball works because Torrey Smith can just outrun everyone. Get a coordinator who can scheme the receivers open and we'll be good. Oh, he had a bad relationship with an extremely old quarterback who couldn't do anything in his short tenure with the Redskins? Okay, that's what should be the problem. He also was working for one of the most organizations in the league, so I'm not sure anyone was really happy in Washington. He turned Steve Slaton (heard of him since?) into a 1000 yard rusher, Matt Schaub into the NFL's leading passer, Alfred Morris into a 1000 yard rusher, and RGIII into the second coming of Jesus. Do you realize how inaccurate RGIII is? He looked amazing in the west coast offense because Kyle knows how to scheme players open. He has consistently had offenses rank in the top 10, including last year when RGIII was hobbled and could no longer run the read option to its full extent. I don't know why you wouldn't want him. He's a good coach who knows how to scheme his players open and build an offense around the quarterback. The fact that he had Schaub, Slaton, RGIII, and Alfred Morris looking like Pro Bowlers/All-Pros should be enough for you. Hell, even Jordan Reed was looking like a viable weapon, which should give you a lot of hope for Dennis Pitta. I don't know what coach doesn't have a bit of an ego. He is the youngest ever offensive coordinator in the NFL, and it wasn't even close. I think that would make you a little bit confident, or a lot. It doesn't bother me because he does some of the best work in the NFL, and he'd be in a very strong organization. Let me ask you, how did the players feel about him in Houston? I hear all this bad stuff from Washington, but nothing about his tenure in Houston. Please, find me some links for that. I've also seen plenty of links from his tenure in Washington where players voiced their love for his ability to scheme the offense open. Edit: I find it amusing that you talk about Josh McDaniels having his ego kept in check because he works under Belichick. So, now Harbaugh and company are slouch coaches and execs that are just going to let everything go? Ha, yeah, right. Also, maybe he does rub Joe a little bit like Todd Hailey rubs Ben Roethlisberger, but in case you haven't noticed, Roethlisberger actually has warmed up to Todd Hailey and the offense really started clicking toward the end of the season. It's just that offensive line that's holding them back.

Retired in '90, became in exec in '91, became a GM in '02. Part of that is probably because he was the best tight end the Browns had ever had and he went right to the Browns. It'd be like Ed Reed retiring then joining the Ravens right away, in a way.

Here's to hoping the Ravens only interviewed Wilson a second time because he requested more time and that the Ravens really want Shanahan. Let's here it tonight, Ravens.

The thing about all of those coaches listed (and I didn't know about many of them) is that they were all much more experienced in a wide variety of areas. Btw, Dan Quinn was a DC in college. Several, like LeBeau and Dungy were previous players, so they already brought a knowledge of the system, but they also filled multiple roles as coaches. For example, Bellichick spent time as a tight ends coach, wide receiver coach, linebacker coach, and a whole host of others. Adam Gase spent time working as a receivers coach, pass game coordinator, quarterbacks coach, and some other positions. Kirby Wilson has experience in the NFL exclusively as a running backs coach, and while he did dabble a very small amount as a receivers coach, the only notable program he did that at was USC for one year. He just doesn't have this very diverse resume and this wide variety of jobs that would give me confidence that he would have a connection with all aspects of the offense.Literally all of those coaches listed had either filled multiple coaching positions or played and filled a specialized coordinator role before actually jumping in and making calls. A couple played and filled a variety of roles before actually calling plays. Just do not like the limited experience of Wilson.

Can you name some? I literally cannot think of a single big name one, but I really would like to know.

The thing that worries me about Kirby is that yes, they all had to stop somewhere, but I'd imagine the vast majority started in college, not straight in the pros.

If you haven't heard anything positive about Shanahan, you haven't read this thread at all

Let's hope he brings in a quarterbacks coach

Can we stop this dumb argument? We'll see what happens when it happens.

I think that's the way it is, and my guess is Harbaugh wants a guy like Shanahan who likes the ZBS to begin.

Harbaugh also did say that the coaching staff of the offense would be built around the offensive coordinator, no?

I can't stand the Arians offense and never got how people could say he's a good coordinator

I hear he's really stubborn, stuck in his ways, and bad at in game adjustments. Sounds like a recipe for disaster

I didn't realize coaches requested more time....

Apparently he was, but the Ravens don't release a lot if details. Harbs said he had interviewed as many as two candidates a day and several college coaches. How many did we hear about? Four. They keep it air tight

Let's hope that we hear soon. I'm getting so antsy to hear because I want to know whether or not to be excited for next season's offense or not.

We know of the 4-5 finalists, but apparently there were like 2 candidates per day interviewed. Maybe it was just getting the first rounds out of the way.We heard Shanahan's was good, but we heard Wilson's went very well. I'm hoping getting the first call back means that Shanahan is the guy. I also hopes having all these guys come back within two days means we'll have a coach the Ravens want by tomorrow night or Saturday

The thing that worries me is Kirby Wilson almost immediately got a second interview. Shanahan had to wait, but maybe that's because the coaches wanted to get all candidates out of the way. He was also the first to get an interview, that we know of, and well ahead of anyone else.Is Hostler's interview tonight the first or second?

Well, I suppose we can't fault the Ravens for not being diligent. Is this a first meeting or is this a second?

I'd still rather go with Shanahan who has a much better track record with the ZBS.

Very much agreed.