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  1. I think one of the problems, actually the only problem I have with any debate on Joe: 1. Salary - get over it everybody please. The going rate for QBs is not $90 million for 7 years anymore ok. When you look around the league and see the Ryan Tannehills and the Jay Cutlers and the Colin Kaepernicks signing for $100+ you should realize that. [profanity deleted] Ryan Tannehill man. Jay. Cutler. These dudes epitomize mediocrity. A QB great, good, mediocre - they are top dollar. Be grateful that at least your $100+ million salaried QB has several playoff wins to his name as well as a Super Bowl 2. What is top tier? You only need your QB to convert on 3rd downs, put the offense in position to score 6 or 3, take care of the football, and then of course give you a shot to win playoff games. That's top tier. List all Super Bowl teams since 2000 and tell me HOW MANY of those teams had QBs who played like "Top Tier". Point #1 - There have been 16 Super Bowl teams but that's only 6 of them. Did the other winners have "Top Tier" QBs or are you going to tell me the 1st 2 Pats teams had top tier QB play from Brady as did the 2016 Denver Broncos from Manning? Point #2 - does Joe make that list for you (same can be asked of Eli)? He had a VERY underwhelming regular season, then played top tier in the playoffs. <----you see where this is going? How many times has Matty Ice Ryan played "top tier" during the regular season and then looked like a kid sucking his thumb in the playoffs? Alex Smith? Andy Dalton? Cam Did you know that Joe Flacco ranks 10th All Time in the NFL with playoff wins? Only current players ahead of him are Brady and Roethlisberger. Joe (10) is ahead of Eli (8), Aaron (7) and Drew (6). I won't even go to Top Tier, let's just ask if Joe is a competent QB??? Cause if playoff wins define what makes you competent, he's got more wins than all these dudes that people have been claiming are Elite for years. This is where most people respond by saying - 'well Joe's been on better teams when he made it to the playoffs' or 'the defense won those games' which takes me back to the million dollar question - how do you define "Top Tier" QB. Because if teams that allegedly have a "Top Tier QB" can't figure out how to win with that guy even though he is Top Tier and Elite, what's the point of having the conversation???????????
  2. Maybe he was throwing Jim Fassell into that mix and/or Mike Cavanaugh...???
  3. Wow you went dissertation on me. After reading your response I will fall back on my disdain just a bit. After all, he did make the Jets look decent when he was OC there before coming to Baltimore as QB coach. That said, the bolded part is where I'm still salty...or concerned with him about. If you're going to pass the ball 40 times, it shouldn't be fore 2 yards 20 of those times. Receiver catches the ball and if a man is close by he gets tackled for a 2 or 3 yd gain. *sigh* You know what I mean? Perhaps it wasn't 50% of the time, but I saw that more times than I care to see in a game. And perhaps the Pitt game while it wasn't the very last game of the season, certain plays are etched in my memory. If Joe can throw the deep ball, let's see some of those attempts frequently. When I saw that Breshad would be getting a lot of playing time, I thought that maybe Breshad would be on the left side with Mikey Fresh Wallace on the right. Or perhaps both of them lined up on the same side of the field where both go deep. <-----that forces the defense to go step for step with one of those guys or when they are on opposite sides of the field, the safety has to figure out where/who needs help over the top. That may sound pretty generic or "Fans just make statements like that without knowing in game circumstances" blah blah blah blah, but it's just a numbers game. Make them figure out who they have to cover. They can't cover everybody. This type of alignment or play had to have been in Trestmans playbook. Go deep down field to fast guys. Is my thought process wrong on that? If not, we didn't really get that out of Marty. And when you got the 2 guys going deep, somebody ought to be underneath. And the thing with Torrey was if you threw the ball 3 times and the result was 0 catches, you were likely to get a PI 1 of 3 times. When I played they used to say the only defense against speed is PI
  4. Was your perception that he utilized the personnel at an optimal level? Sounds like maybe you think Marty wasn't so bad, so I'm just curious.
  5. That's not my thought process. I'm with you. I understand. And I guess I didn't properly articulate. I don't think 2nd and 1 means run the ball and I don't think 3rd and 2 means run the ball. I think if you ran for a big chunk of yards on 1st down. Then run again on 2nd as opposed to getting a big gain on 1st down, then passing on 2nd for an incompletion where you are now not really forced to pass, but the defense knows your tendencies. Those would be the game circumstances where I get frustrated. Obviously, this is not the team of the late great Zeus and Ogden and Casey Rabach and Mulitallo. But you also have some real agile backs in West and Dixon. Also, you could very well call a pass to a runningback a pass play you know what I mean. We have 2 backs that can both catch the ball out of the back field. We just didn't give either one enough touches and that also is part of the problem. I'm not saying West/Dixon ought to be a focal point of the offense, but if you told me the two of them combined for 40-45% of offensive touches, I would not be upset. I don't even think that was the case at all.
  6. Didn't mean that at all. The balance was not even close in 2016. Someone said earlier it looked like the team had no intention of running. I saw it in the Cincy game - Joe drops back again and again and again and the defense realizes we can sack him pretty deep in the backfield. It just makes you predictable. It allows for the cover guys to better anticipate cause they know you're not really committed to gashing them with the run. Like who didn't see that INT icoming in the Colts Saints Super Bowl. Colts had dropped back to pass like 5 or 6 straight times. You had to see it coming from a mile away. Didn't mean to go off on that tangent but you get what I'm saying. Who doesn't know that the run sets up the big play pass. It's never been the other way around. So even if there is some part of your run game that isn't efficient or effective, that's still no excuse to have like 60/40 or greater pass/run ratio. I don't know what the ratio was for the season but I'll bet it was something unacceptable
  7. This - over and over and over!
  8. I may be the only person, but I think this team had enough offensive talent to contend. I think the issues at the Center position, and missing Alex Lewis really hindered the offense at the end of the day. But when you have a Steve Smith Sr, Perriman, Aiken Wallace, Pitta, Waller, Dixon, West, Juscyzk, I think you have some guys that can score points. You play to your strengths. They did not utilize the strengths of Perriman and Wallace and Flacco. Go deep. That's what those guys do well. All those guys could play for other teams. They could start elsewhere. For me it is a matter of competency. You have to commit to running the ball. That 2008 team would go play Pittsburgh and would just try to run on Pittsburgh on like 65% of the plays and get 2 yards most times. Same for their team against us. Committed. Dropping back 40 times a game is not the right philosophy.
  9. Ray retired after the 2012 season. Ed went elsewhere
  10. This This and This. Everyone can debate back on forth about going for it on 4th and whatever and say the coach needed to do that for the defense's sake because players were getting banged up and knocked out blah blah blah, but there isn't much debate on calling a pass play in the vein of aggression when you can choose to be SMART (see Eagles Game). Rookie OC's can figure that much out. This was not MM's first rodeo as an OC. That's actually why it's good to promote either the RB, WR, TE's coach or get an upstart guy from outside. Unknown coaches are just like 5th and 6th rounders. They are hungry and ready to make a name for themselves. Marty has been around for a while and his coaching track record speaks for itself.
  11. Is the run game broken? I think we need a new center for sure, but how can the run game be broken if it isn't utilized? 2 guys that specialize in going deep (Perriman/Wallace) or at least 2 guys that have the ability to go over the top aren't given the opportunities to go over the top. Instead a chunk of pass plays originate from behind the line to gain. How many times in the last few weeks did you see that kind of pass? I think it is an issue of the approach to offense as opposed to fixing this or that. You fix those things from week to week. And if we are saying we need a new running back or new center that's one thing....but I don't think that's what you're saying. I could be wrong. We all know that Vlad Ducasse is not a starting Right Guard. But that doesn't mean the blame or issue is the run game
  12. what playmakers? still waiting for the front office to draft some This offense probably had the most playmakers in the history of any Ravens offense. Steve Smith Sr Mike Wallace Breshad Perriman Kyle Jusyczk Terrance West Kenneth Dixon Dennis Pitta Darren Waller who probably outplayed Max Williams in his small handful of games compared to Max's 2015 season John Boyle never does bad things when he's on the field What more do you need. Josh McDaniels, Mike McCarthy, Sean Payton, Gary Kubiak - all those coaches would kill to have this personnel. These are coaches who are accustomed to playing with 3rd and 4th stringers or castoffs that wouldn't make starting lineups anywhere else. In fact, if Crockett and Ben Watson don't get injured, some of these guys would have been playing key downs for another team In my humble opinion, that's more than enough talent to move the ball and get 1st downs. Any high school coach could dial up some plays against the most complex Rex Ryan or Chuck Pagano defense and still manage to convert 3rd downs. What the heck more do people want on offense
  13. Possibly one of the Top 10 Worst Announcements in err... Check that, possibly one of the Top 3 Worst Announcements in All-Time Ravens History. At least one of the other 2 was announcing that Cam Cameron would stay on (2011). Perhaps the other one would also include the news about Cam Cameron (2012). Why does this team always have this cloud over their head when it comes to issues pertaining to the offense. QB, Receiver, OC...it just doesn't ever pass