19 minutes ago, Giants56Ravens52 said:Yep. It turned out nicely in this case too, as Apple seems to be developing into a #1 CB.
The argument for Butt to the Giants is that he very much fits the Reese/Giants mold for TEs. They value blocking (and with this OL I would as well) above pass catching. It's why I knew they would never take Ebron a couple years back. It's also why instead of upgrading at OT this offseason, they signed Marshall and Ellison. The Giants had horrendous blocking at TE last year, and it made the OT situation and running game seem even worse. A good blocking TE can make even Flowers potentially look like a decent OT (that and he is supposedly improving).
I was a huge advocate for signing Fasano for the same reason, but unfortunately he went to Miami.
Odd that they would have Butt over Howard at TE, because while Butt isn't a bad blocker, he's really not anything to write home about either in that regard. Howard is a much better blocker than Butt.
If anyone coming up soon wants to trade down, talk to me.
I disagree that it is a steep drop off after Davis. Drop off yes, he is insanely talented and if he was just a little bigger and didn't have injury concerns, he'd be a first round lock. However, there are one or two other ILBs I like a lot.
I got some first round talents still on my board. Man, this draft is really deep. On that note, really looking to trade up. Contact me if interested.
I'm looking to trade my 3rd round pick (27 overall in the third) to move up into the early third. Contact me with a price range if interested.
With Adams off the board, I'm not really seeing any other DTs I'm in love with. A lot of talk about weak QB and OT groups, but DT is really bad this year outside Adams, since McDowell and another player I like, but who hasn't been take yet are more like 3-4 ends
On 3/14/2017 at 6:53 PM, Yatagarasu said:Falcons:
6th Round - Pick 21 - 0.5 Stars
Chiefs:
Allen Bailey - 4 Stars
Confirmed, also using the special trade/cut rule on Bailey
2 minutes ago, allblackraven said:They won't fix defense in one year but they are going to seriously load up in this draft.I wouldn't rule them out of moving very high up the board, using future picks, since it looks like they've found themselves franchise QB last year.
I agree but since both Gregory and Lawrence can't stay on the field, they have a very weak pass rush in addition to secondary problems. Their interior DL and LBs aren't bad and they have an absurdly high powered offense, but that's going to take a while to fix.
20 hours ago, PurpleCity5 said:16 is too high to take a center.
I remember when people laughed about Travis Frederick. Jerry is laughing at them now.
11 minutes ago, Deflated Football said:
Well this is just icing on the cake
The Cowboys have an absolutely awful front seven (which they have also lost players from this offseason), but had a solid secondary, Now their 4 starters are all gone, leaving them just with Byron Jones and Scandrick as the only secondary players with any sort of meaningful experience.
2 hours ago, purpletide said:"rifle malfunshion" XD. That one really got me
He's like our boards version of Emmitt Smith
2 hours ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:First off, I never said trading down in a draft to accumulate more picks is a bad idea. That's grabbing more players on rookie deals not grabbing a 1 yr rental that we won't be willing to pay $13m/yr to.
Totally different scenarios.
And of the couple times we've traded out of a first time you've picked arguably the worst of the bunch.
We traded back from pick 25 to I believe 43 and picked up an extra 3rd and 4th round pick.
Those netted us Sergio Kindle, Ed Dickson and Dennis Pitta. Only Pitta was integral in winning the SB and we could've selected him anyways.
By trading back we missed an opportunity to draft Gronk who we were really high on and got taken by the Pats one pick ahead of us at 42 which would've made the one positive of trading out of the 1st (Pitta) completely irrelevant. Or maybe we'd have both.
Couldve also grabbed Devin McCourty, Jerry Hughes or TJ Ward and had the safety issues solved that led to Elam/Brooks/Huff revolving door or got us the dominant pass rusher across from Suggs we've desperately needed.
Thats all hypothetical though. And it's irrelevant bc this trade has nothing in common with your Butler proposal.
Even if it did, this is a horrible example of a trade that "worked." Yea we won a SB 2 years later in spite of, not bc of this trade.
You forget that Jerry Hughes flamed out of Indy, and that personally, Sergio Kindle was one of the best players I've seen play for the University of Texas. He was going to be a beast if he didn't get hurt like that. Broncos got Tebow out of that deal, so it ended up still being better for us, even if we only netted Pitta.
3 hours ago, Cillmatic said:Contracts like what?
Robert Woods, Matt Kalil, Russell Okung, Mike Glennon (particularly because no other team offered him more than $10 million per year), Malcolm Smith, Juice, Marcus Cooper, Kenny Stills to name some terrible deals
Mods have popped me before for cursing with special letters to avoid the typical protocol, so don't be surprised to see your post deleted.
3 hours ago, purpletide said:Plus Lewis is young, he can learn to play T if there's really no other option and stay there in the future.
Plus Lewis played LT in college
On 11/20/2016 at 4:46 AM, ALPHA said:I can't speak on anyone else I just like bouncing ideas around and yes some of them are going to be longshots or unpopular but we're not all going to agree on everything, I got roasted for saying Conklin and Whitehair were the best linemen in the draft (and they are). Anyways no harm, no foul, you're still one of my favorite posters.
Neither one plays LT, so I'm going to have to slightly disagree. Ricky Wagner might be one of the best RTs in the game, but I'd still rank most starting LTs above him.
40 minutes ago, allblackraven said:$5M is way too rich for player missing in more games than he's playing.
$7.5M is outrageous, he is dreaming.
This offseason has been full of "you have to be kidding me!" contracts and (sadly?) paying Claibourne $7.5 million per year would be no where near the worst contract hand out, maybe not even top 10 worst.
On 3/7/2017 at 6:02 PM, ellicottraven said:Nope he's not. But let's hope he has better honor and character than playing like a bottom dweller QB on purpose. Even if he plays horribly I don't think its because he wants to play horribly. It can be because he's regressed severely. But, I am hopeful that we'll see a 40 TD 10 INT - 5000 yard Flacco with about 10 ypc.
Or better still I would just like him to be regular ole Joe trhowing 20-24 times a game for about 200 yds, 1 TD no INT and hands the ball over more than he throws! That now is a recipe for success.
Realistic, we haven't gotten peak market value out of Joe's contract, but he hasn't gone full Cutler either. He needs to play better, but it's not all on him. That being said, if we lower are exceptions to the point were Joe is posting average stats for maybe the early 2000s/90s, what was the point of even paying him? Yes, Joe does better with an active run game, but why give him big bucks in the first place if you expect him to play like Alex Smith?
On 3/13/2017 at 9:08 AM, Purple&Black#20 said:I agree with trading him to Cleveland for both there first round picks. Just bite the bullet and move on. We draft Garrett with the first pick and Mike Williams or Cory Davis with the 12th pick because we didn't give Pryor 8 million for 1 year. Cleveland is desperate and probably will pull the trigger. Draft CB Tabor or Wilson from Florida in the 2ND and build the offensive line in the 3rd. The Brandon William deal is probably another set back. He should of walked and transition our defense from the 3-4 to a 4-3 defense. Jernigan is not a true 3-4 linemen. Mosley isn't a true 3-4 Linebacker because he doesn't blockshed well.
4-3 Defense
Suggs. Jernigan. Pierce. Garrett
Correa. Mosley. Onwuasor
Smith. Jefferson. Weddle. Tabor/wilson
Ravens defense would finally be back.
I guess Mosley wasn't a true 3-4 ILB when he played all those years for Bama either...
2 minutes ago, 52520Andrew said:Yeah I like the value and fit here, just think he will be overdrafted IRL
Totally agree, he needs develop for a year to really succeed IMO. Chargers, Saints, Chiefs, and Vikings (depending on how they feel about Teddy Bridgewater could all be solid locations to go, as they have QBs that could bridge.
33 minutes ago, 52520Andrew said:For the record, I was considering Ramczyk at 10 if I wasn't able to get my guys. Really like what he brings in the running game. He is so much fun to watch run block.
Also really like the Cook pick, think Tampa would be a great fit for him
Not the biggest fan of Mitch but getting good value from him at this point
Really like Ross assuming he is healthy, solid route runner and can get separation on just about anyone with speed and quickness. This guy was running open down the field multiple times a game and his QB missed him or underthrew him a lot. I think Tyreek Hill is a good comp for him if healthy but a little more polished and maybe not as good a runner given Hill was a running back I think.
Pretty big fan of Conley, not the best against the run game but think he is about as solid as anyone in the draft in coverage
I wouldn't have taken Mitchell top 10 for sure, but I still think he is the only first round worthy QB in this class and I think his value probably best served around the 13-25 range.
The OSU secondary the last couple years has been nuts. Had two guys get drafted and one go undrafted last year and make a team. Two of those guys ended up becoming starters and playing really well. This year they could have (as evidenced here) three secondary players go in the first round alone, two of which didn't even start for the 2015 team.
2 minutes ago, rmw10 said:Although I really wanted to do it in FA, my plan for my defense has finally come to fruition. Although my depth chart isn't going to completely reflect it, my plan all along was to allow Damarious Randall to play more of his natural S spot, and Morgan Burnett to play the hybrid ILB/S role that he excelled in late in the season. I'm a huge fan of Conley and he's been my target all along.
I'm a huge fan of Conley as well. I'd bet in real life that he has a shot of going even higher than where you took him.
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Was desperately trying to trade up for Caleb Brantley. First round talent in my book, but I think this shows he really has a large range he could fall.