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That would actually be quite awesome, because then Matt Schaub would have a future, and the guy is a good guy and I'd wish him that. But he'd also be out of our price range and become an FA, that hopefully gets picked up elsewhere and we'd get a compensatory pick for him. Based on the play of our players this year. Can't remember how many good players are in their contract year right now, but Ozzie typically does well with the comps when he has them. Tucker, Osmele, Upshaw... anybody else of note?

Let's be generous and be happy for the Browns 15 minutes of fame. When have they EVER been a favorite to win the day's match-up? The "is there a point to try win a game?" comments irk me to no end. I don't want to see the #1 draft pick by far as much as I want to see the Ravens on the field give it their best to win a game. Being realistic, there's not much hope of having many (if any) wins down the line this season, but it'd be tough to root for quitters. This is why I love Harbs. I'm sure he's aware that Ravens record is what it is, their roster is what it is, but if he walks around dejected, it'll be the beginning of the end. You've got to have faith. To be fair, if the O-line holds, if we can commit to the ground game and Buck Allen shows what he did last week or better and if Schaub is good at completing quick short passes, there's a chance we put some score on the board. Juice could get a TD, that would feel good, as unlikely as it is. Browns are aware of him being a versatile weapon, not just a blocker. However, they can't cover Aiken, Juice and the three TEs all at the same time all the time. Defensively, secondary are doing better than in the last match-up. If we can finally limit the number of defensive penalties, then the biggest scare is Browns' TE that our ILBs struggled to cover. Browns'll score, but maybe not too often.

I suppose there won't be a lot of Hail Mary's coming up, but if we can get quick release passes to our TE's, Juice, WRs etc and move consistently forwards, that's fine by me. Explosive plays are fun and I'd love to see them (my hopes are high with Buck Allen on this one), but cutting away with 4 yards on each snap is good enough for me and exhausting for the defenses more than anything else, so if that happens, I'm fine with it.

Juice is awesome! I'm a fan. And glad we have him.

Charlie Brown out for season

That's very true! Also, I'm going to root for Matt no matter what. He's a decent guy and he's been there for Joe all season long, I saw them conferring often on the sidelines while defense was on. He's been selfless and shared whatever experience and insights he's got. He's also kept hustling even knowing he'll never see the field on game day, because Joe is invincible (ha.ha.). I want him to be successful and do well. Because of the person he is, but also, because Ravens are a winning organization and tanking a season for a good draft pick isn't a winning mentality. As a team, you always have to believe you are the best guys to prove it and walk out on the field intending to do just that. On the bright side, Matt is exactly as tall as Joe and exactly as heavy, they are very similar physically, so the snaps won't have to be readjusted

Fisher makes me sick. Did anyone listen to his rant? The guy is deluded. The conversatin then moves to Case Keenum and he doesn't even have the dignity to call himself out and claim responsibility.

I agree with what -Truth- said. I'd still start Brady. But if not him, of who you have named, I'd try Tyrod Taylor. I had him earlier this year and he performed decent. He can throw passes and he can scramble. He should also do quite well in the cold, although that is yet untested, because he did spend considerable time here in Baltimore and Ravens hold practices outside as well as inside at all times of year.

I was referring to this year, not Luck as a whole. But I see what you mean.

In general, no. He's a good QB. This year, life hasn't been all that pink in his direction.

Always go for hoping for a "playoff" caliber performance. Don't wish on anybody to suck, they have to live with that. And Ravens who have fought for every single game they play, regardless if they're unbeaten or have yet to win a game are the mentality that gets them through adversity other years as well. A lot of mental toughness is required and it's very difficult not get a loser attitude if nothing's going right. But it's far more difficult to regain faith in your team once you succumb to that. That's why a top 10 pick is better than #1 pick. There's still brilliant players, but there's dignity in that. Look at Indy - They "Sucked for Luck" and now Luck sucks for them. Would you want to tank the season for a #1 pick that could turn into a bust or get injured and make no difference just like the next guy? How many of those below were absolutely worth tanking a season for? ALL TIME NUMBER 1 DRAFT PICKS Year Player Position School Team Years Played Pro Bowls 2014 Jadeveon Clowney DE South Carolina Houston Texans 0 0 2013 Eric Fisher OT Central Michigan Kansas City Chiefs 1 0 2012 Andrew Luck QB Stanford Indianapolis Colts 2 1 2011 Cam Newton QB Auburn Carolina Panthers 3 2 2010 Sam Bradford QB Oklahoma St. Louis Rams 4 0 2009 Matthew Stafford QB Georgia Detroit Lions 5 0 2008 Jake Long OT Michigan Miami Dolphins 6 4 2007 JaMarcus Russell QB LSU Oakland Raiders 3 0 2006 Mario Williams DE N. Carolina State Houston Texans 8 3 2005 Alex Smith QB Utah San Francisco 49ers 9 1 2004 Eli Manning QB Mississippi San Diego Chargers 10 3 2003 Carson Palmer QB Southern Cal. Cincinnati Bengals 11 2 2002 David Carr QB Fresno State Houston Texans 11 0 2001 Michael Vick QB Virginia Tech Atlanta Falcons 11 4 2000 Courtney Brown DE Penn State Cleveland Browns 7 0 1999 Tim Couch QB Kentucky Cleveland Browns 6 0 1998 Peyton Manning QB Tennessee Indianapolis Colts 16 11

But he WAS a special teams coach, so I'd have more trust in his assessment of what he saw of Tucker than what he expects players' recovery to be PS: Sorry for the neg, I wanted to click the green one, but missed.

Kaepernick: Thanks but no thanks. We'll bring in someone else. And if we couldn't, I'd rather see Koch give it a try. Keenum: That was unbelievably stupid of his coaches. I'm no pro, but after Jernigan hit him and he fell to the ground, I shouted out loud "That's a concussion!" even before he tried to get up from the ground and looked like he downed a bottle of vodka on a stag do. When your QB is getting sacked, please don't tell me the automatic thing for all your coaches and teammates is anything other than seeing your QB get up and do a quick visual check if he's okay. The spotter has to see that. The officials has to see that. And the coach DEFINITELY has to see that! Unbelievably stupid and irresponsible. Players pumped with adrenaline and fighting for the win are not the best to self-evaluate their ability to keep on playing and there should be someone responsible do that for them. Their stupidity helped us win the game, I doubt Foles would have fumbled quite as easily (didn't Keenum trip?). I liked what I saw from Mosley and some other defense guys last night. Both Brandon Williams and Timmy Jernigan looked well. I loved Jernigan winding people up We need a good defensive player with visible sass!

Hopefully not run-heavy, but rather more balanced than it was up to before the Rams game. We have seen that Buck Allen can carry us through the season with runs and Juice is able to help out well with the screens. Plus, we have West, though not sure what to expect of him. From what I've read (I haven't been following football for all that long) Schaub used to be very good with quick short passes and that'd fit well with our tight end heavy offense and could work. I'm worried about the amount of interceptions he had in training camp and preseason, but maybe he'll surprise us all.

Get Bryn Renner. He knows the playbook and he shows some upside. As to Forsett, I hope it's as straight forward as Harbs says, that broken bones heal quickly. However, I think it will need a little extra, since the arm got somewhat displaced. However, luckily, should be with time to spare before OTAs and the like.

The game was ugly, but in the end, they didn't lose it, we won it. It was Flacco's khutzpah and a great effort to rally, the turnovers we finally had go our way and the fact that towards the end of the game we steered clear of penalties that would shoot us in the foot. There were multiple players that played well on both ends of the ball. C.J. played like "DROY my hind quarters, Donald!" Finally, he's been all over the field. And one more thing I've noticed - Timmy Jernigan has the sass. If he can keep backing it up and avoid penalties, he's got a bit of a Sizzle attitude. Hopefully, he can perform on a consistent basis and then he'll be the guy we'll find entertaining in an endearing way and the rest of the league will love to hate. Did anyone else notice him winding people up?

We also know that performance isn't just skill, but also the circumstances. Houston seems to be unforgiving to players or coaches who err, but the team in Baltimore is one team, one heart and regardless of how well or unwell Schaub has performed in the last two years, the guys will rally behind him and support him. It might be that it's all for nothing and we will lose out the season. But it might be, that it gives Schaub the confidence he needs to do his finest and the combination of pressure to perform and solidarity from players and organization makes him do well. I really hope it does. He's a good guy and deserves a chance to finish his career (eventually) on a less sour note than what he got in Houston and Oakland. Let's see which Schaub walks on to the field Monday.

Yeah, I mentioned that in my other comment, he's the best option we have. He did alright, knows the playbook, is young and coachable and not on the decline.

I'd literally rather have Tim Tebow, than Kaepernick. That should tell you everything you need to know. There isn't many QBs this year that I'd be less thrilled to see in purple and black.

Bryn Renner sounds like the most likely option. 1) He was decent in the preseason. 2) He knows the playbook and wouldn't have to start from scratch 3) He's young and could back up for a while to come, if he's decent enough. Joe Flacco is hardcore and I have the utmost respect for him. With Schaub, it is possible Ravens will lose out, but I'll leave the doom and gloom for someone else. As they say, "Hope for sunshine, prepare for rain." Maybe now Trestmann will finally committ to the run game Buck Allen has shown that he can carry us, we have West on the roster and I have no idea what Mosert is like, but he showed some skill on the kick returns. Juice is a good option on screens, he's got good hands. Schaub used to be good with short yardage passes, so Gilmore and Williams become even more of an asset. I suppose, now we really won't see the explosive plays downfield. First, we didn't have the receivers to do it and now we have Givens we don't have the QB...

What exactly is it that you can learn from a torn ACL(+ maybe MCL)? Flacco has actually played rather well this season, all things considered.

Not sure whether this is optimism barring on denial or blaring sarcasm. I approve either way. If we were in AFC South we'd be probably be in the run for division leader

That is a tragedy. Stay strong for your daughter. May she get better and find mutual solace with her father.

Well, unfortunately this argument seems moot in certain places. Buck Allen has got a whole lot of looks today after Donald broke Forsett's arm. Luckily, he has done very well and we can be proud. Shame we don't have a young quarterback also, I'm not even sure we have a 3rd string or who he is behind Schaub. Lardarius Webb also walked off the field with some (hopefully minor) injury and I'm not sure if he got back in the game, but I think not. Young players will continue to play not by design, but by next man up, since we're getting to the point of there being no one else.