Dr. Kelley

Defense's job is to not allow points. Defense ranked 12th in points allowed. Clearly not sucking.

You are obviously satisfied with mediocrity. I, however, am not. I am satisfied to agree to disagree on this one.

Lol you clearly aren't going to give this one up are you.

I still think the most pertinent stat is the defensive DVOA which we waa massively better in 2013 compared to 2012.

The defense did actually come up with a lot of late game stops this year, but because they couldn't do it every game you want to denegrate a significantly improved unit. Thats fine, you can have your opinion, but if we are talking about fact they are all on my half of the debate.

No. No they're not. Your argument is that yhe defense didn't suck because the offense did. Blaming the offense for the defense not playing to its potential is just a lazy argument, not a fact. I know dean pees is your hero, but the defense was not up to snuff this year.

Fact: the offense sucked.

Fact: the defense sucked.

Fact: we have to become a better team all around or we will be competing with the Browns for the basement of the division next year.

That is one game.

Fact: The defense forced only one punt on the Steelers first drive in Game 1. Every other drive was a scoring drive.

Fact: The defense allowed the 3rd most points in the 4th quarter of all NFL teams.

Fact: All but 3 losses this year were 7 pts or less.

There is an obvious issue in the 4th quarter and it has nothing to do with TOP or being tired. Personally, I believe it has to do with Pees & how soft & conservative he goes in the 4th.

THIS

This is fact. I don't understand how people stick their heads in the sand to ignore this. It needs fixed. But people on this board would rather make excuses, divorced from reality than face the truth.

That's not a myth.

Yes. Yes it is a myth.