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Quincy Wilson is terrible at getting off blocks and his tackling is questionable, but I absolutely love the way he competes in coverage and with the ball in the air. His size is a major plus too; hopefully our defense won't become trash if/when Jimmy Smith misses a snap. I am shocked to see Mike Williams at 15th and Corey Davis go 27th though; both are studs and steals at those spots. Especially Corey Davis.

1 hour ago, GrimCoconut said:

I've had Wilson and Jones closely ranked but I just watched Wilson closely against LSU and I liked how he covered in that game against some relatively talented WR who project to the NFL. I may have to give Wilson the decisive edge because he plays real physical and nasty. I like his swagger

I think Quincy Wilson has a very legitimate shot to go top 10; he will test well in addition to having great tape.

20 minutes ago, Drew P said:

Not realistic, some good names though. I think Solomon goes top ten.

Williams will go to the Bungles and they will terrorize the Ravens forever lol

Mike Williams + AJ Green would be a nightmare.

1 hour ago, rossihunter2 said:

i wish you could upload your own lol

Fair enough, based on my board:

Round 1: Corey Davis, WR

Round 2: Tre'Davious White, CB

Round 3: Ethan Pocic, C (steal, but I think he will be undervalued)

Cooper Kupp, WR

Round 4: Ejuan Price, EDGE

Essentially the take home message: Fanspeak's Big Board is preposterous. But really until the combine, most available big boards are hot messes.

Team needs: 2 CBs, 2 pass rushers, 2 WRs, 1 gamebreaking RB, 1 C, 1 backup QB

This draft is incredibly stacked, but our hope (as usual) should be that as many QBs go early as possible. Deshaun Watson, Deshone Kizer, and Mitch Trubisky could maybe go 1-2-3, as they did in my mock draft using FanSpeak. This was the result:

Round 1: Mike Williams, WR

Round 2: Tre'Davious White, CB

Round 3: Solomon Thomas, EDGE

                 Quincy Wilson, CB

Round 4: Ryan Anderson, EDGE

The board fell miraculously from the very beginning. However, FanSpeak does have a very questionable board; in what world is Quincy Wilson a third rounder? Also Ryan Anderson boosted his draft stock with his National Championship performance so a 4th rounder may be a pipe dream. However, the power of early quarterback picks is evident in this mock.

Mike Williams becomes our number 1 almost out of the gate in the mold of Playoffs Anquan Boldin, Tre'Davious White or Quincy Wilson start at outside corner, Solomon Thomas gets into the rotation and eventually replaces Timmy Jernigan, Ryan Anderson pushes Zadarius Smith, Matt Judon, and Kamalei Correa to be more useful (we are assuming Dumervil is cut for cap reasons). That makes at least 2 immediate starters and all 5 would see playing time barring injuries.

The most difficult decision I faced was Ethan Pocic or Solomon Thomas in the third; center might be a larger need but I love Solomon Thomas and think he could be our best D lineman and a Pro Bowler within 3 years.

What would you all think if the draft went this way?

A Bosa Spence combination is actually a possibility in this draft. Bringing the 2014 national championship winninh pass rush onto our team? I'm okay with that.

But if Jack's knee checks out, we have to take him. Or we WILL regret it. Just like every team that passed on Adrian Peterson because of his collarbone still regrets it to this day.

In fact, I'm going to officially switch out Coleman for Shilique Calhoun. Watched the Iowa game and I am sold. Also, would trade up to 30th for William Jackson, losing the 104th pick (Yannick Ngakoue) to pluck one of my favorite corners in the draft.

New look:

Round 1, Pick 6: Myles Jack, ILB

Trade Round 2, Pick 36 and Round 4, Pick 104 for Round 1, Pick 30: William Jackson III, CB

Round 3, Pick 70: Shilique Calhoun, OLB

Round 4, Pick 130: Charles Tapper, DE

Round 4. Pick 132: Cyrus Jones, CB

Round 4, Pick 134: Rashard "Hollywood" Higgins, WR

Round 6, Pick 182: Vernon Adams, QB

Round 6, Pick 209: Moritz Boehringer, WR

This is darned close to a perfect draft in my eyes, despite the lack of O-line help. First 5 picks on defense? You better believe it.

And in the 3rd Round, I like me some Shilique Calhoun, who is a slightly better Ngakoue to me. If Fackrell is there, he is the pick, over Coleman as well. I would be shocked to see him there, his tape is excellent.

2 hours ago, rossihunter2 said:

for me it'll probably be a trench guy because people always reach on pass rushers and corners

at OL: cody whitehair, ryan kelly

at DL: andrew billings, ashawn robinson, chris jones maybe nkemdiche

of course those aren't the sexy picks - and we may have some players who might be available here rated higher - sua cravens might be rated high on the ravens board or a wide receiver might fall (although they are often reached on)

i'd love it if one of the other corners was around at the beginning of the second like mackensie alexander or william jackson iii (if other gms go crazy) but i don't see it - especially as no one's going to take a defensive lineman because there is so much depth in this draft

If WJIII is avaliable at 28-30, I think we trade up for him. This is super unlikely. Out of the trench guys, I love Chris Jones, extremely explosive despite the fact he falls down a lot. If Alexander is there, I'd take him over Burns, although his lack of even ONE interception in his career is hugely concerning to me.

29 minutes ago, rossihunter2 said:

unfortunately, you've basically given the reason we won't pick burns there - if there's a run on corners, it means that other higher graded prospects are falling - and oz and eric will stick to bpa because it's almost like their religion - burns might go, but if there's a run it won't be to the ravens unless we have a much higher grade on him than other teams

Absolutely a fair point, and there's a solid chance that the 36th pick goes in another direction. That's probably the most difficult pick to determine in this draft, because who knows who will fall to that slot.

4 minutes ago, KBoum said:

I like it but I don'T think its really realistic. Tapper will be gone at that pick...  Cyrus Jones too... Rashard Higgins probably in the late 3rd. Ngakoue has been mocked in the 3rd as well recently his stock is on the rise.

 

if that happens that would be a very huge draft tho. playmakers everywhere. I prefer Nate Sudfield as QB in the 6th thats for sure

This is heavily based on Reuters 7 round mock on Nfl.com to gauge what range prospects are in, and according to that mock as well as others I've seen online, all of these players would actually be around the draft slot I have them in. I don't know much about Nate Sudfield, but I'd definitely be willing to look into him.

1 hour ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

Ok the first part makes sense. I just don't see a quality player in burns. I'm sure others could point out my fascination with Kevin dodd and use the same argument because he's so raw, but I just don't see the same thing with burns, I think he's just an athlete rather than a football player

What do you think of Eli Apple?

1 hour ago, usmccharles said:

If that 4th round happen I would thrilled. I don't have to say what I think about Jack...other than I love him. 

If we Moritz Boehringer I wouldn't be that happy.   He has crazy measurables, but the level of talent he played against wasn't on par to Air Bud. 

 

Agreed, but 1. I don't know who else I would rather have at that slot, and 2. I feel huge jealousy when I see what the Steelers are doing. We suck at developing receivers anyway, might as well take a shot on an athletic freak rather than not if we're equally likely to miss.

1 hour ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

Ok the first part makes sense. I just don't see a quality player in burns. I'm sure others could point out my fascination with Kevin dodd and use the same argument because he's so raw, but I just don't see the same thing with burns, I think he's just an athlete rather than a football player

I completely agree, he's more of an athlete than a football player at this point. However, they said the same thing with Ziggy Ansah and he's been the most productive pass rusher out of that draft. Basically, he's also likely not to be pure BPA at that spot. That's basically a fact. But two major points here: 1. He has legitimate potential, and 2. There's gonna be a big run on corners in this draft from late 1st to mid 2nd round, and I really think our hand will be forced to take a corner earlier than we might have that player graded.

17 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

If we take artie burns in the 2nd I'll change my avy to honeybooboos mom.

 

Btw. Artie burns is trash. He's a track star with zero skills in coverage. 4th round flier at best. Kendall fuller, alexander, and even xavien Howard who I'm not big on, all look like far better choices in the 2nd. I'd also take kevon Seymour and will Redmond over him and even Kevin Peterson as a slot guy

Aha, finally something we disagree on. In this scenario, Alexander and Fuller are both gone. Artie Burns will get burnt early and often to start, but he has good to great ball skills. As you said, his biggest issue will be legitimate man coverage, but he has the size and speed to improve on that department. He's developmental for sure but based on potential he's a second rounder. And with the 4th round being so exceptional, I didn't want to push my luck and say someone like Chris Jones or Will Jackson III is avaliable at our pick.

4 minutes ago, RavensDieHard21 said:

Very solid, Artie Burns I am torn on. If he develops well here he could be a huge addition. I also think the meniscus issue is far overblown. I've partially torn mine and it only took me about 6 months before I started squatting heavy again and playing football. I think Jack is the swiss army knife that helps prevent the cute little dink and dunk offenses.

Agree with both points, Burns is a boom or bust type of guy. Especially in Year 1. Myles Jack I have close to no worries about. As close to an ideal prospect for his position since Khalil Mack and Aaron Donald (I always thought the size thing for Donald was nonsense).

5 minutes ago, rossihunter2 said:

i love that 4th round but im not sure tapper, ngakoue and cyrus jones all make it as much as id love all 3 - if this happens ill be elated but i can definitely see both tapper and cyrus jones being taken in the mid-late 3rd by someone

There's about a 50-50 chance, I agree. This is close to an ideal scenario in some respects, but is still very realistic I believe.

50 minutes ago, RavensFan34950 said:

If the Ravens draft Jeff Driskel I might cry. He's in Ryan Leaf territory in terms of garbage.

An excellent point, I meant to switch out that name. I've fixed it now to be Vernon Adams, the QB out of Oregon. Size issues to be sure but decent elsewhere.

Round 1, Pick 6: Myles Jack, ILB

This is of course predicated on health, and even if he is healthy, I fully expect him to take up to Week 4 to get into football shape. Can we afford to wait that long for a player, especially after what happened with Perriman? We can when he is the #1 player in the entire draft, and to me that's exactly what he is. Jack and Mosley will strike fear throughout the NFL for years to come.

Round 2, Pick 36: Artie Burns, CB

Yes, he will get burnt on occasion, but he will also provide splash plays with interceptions and defensive touchdowns. He got 6 interceptions last year, which is equal to what the entire 2015 secondary put up.

Round 3, Pick 70: Shon Coleman, OT

This kid has incredible movement skills. He will be an absolute road grader in a zone based scheme, which just so happens to be what we run. I think he will struggle a touch with speed rushers off the edge in his rookie year, but he has tons of room for growth. He will push both Wagner and Monroe, and give us a solid option for one of them were to get hurt.

Round 4, Pick 104: Yannick Ngakoue, OLB

Local kid, but far more importantly, he shows genuine ability to get after the quarterback. The gap between him and a guy like Noah Spence is not as big as you might think, and Ngakoue doesn't bring the character concerns. He's going to get absolutely destroyed against the run earlier, until he adds more functional strength and size. As such, he will be a pass rush specialist in Year 1 with potential for more moving forward.

Round 4, Pick 130: Charles Tapper, DE

Here we go, entering the meat of our draft. These compensatory picks will help shape the face of our team for years to count, so let's make them count. Tapper is a freak, pure and simple, and his tape shows potential for growth. His explosiveness is not just surface athleticism, it translates into football skills. Teaming him up with Clarence Brooks is a hugely enticing prospect.

Round 4. Pick 132: Cyrus Jones, CB

Has a chance to be long gone by this slot, but could linger because of concerns with size. I love his return ability and his overall versatility, but perhaps more importantly, I think he can develop into a legit starting corner in the league, going up against the smaller shiftier guys that Smith and Artie Burns would struggle more with.

Round 4, Pick 134: Rashard "Hollywood" Higgins

We are picking at least one receiver in this draft, and Higgins is a better player than this draft slot indicates. He also brings a level of cockiness we lack outside of Steve Smith Sr. in our wide receiver room. Flacco has had huge success with cocky receivers (Mason, Boldin, Smith Sr.), and it is past time we get our own homegrown version.

Round 6, Pick 182: Vernon Adams, QB

Ryan Mallet, all in all, did an admirable job last year, but he is on a one year contract at this point. We draft a longer term backup at this spot.

Round 6, Pick 209: Moritz Boehringer, WR

I give this pick about a 0% chance of happening, but at this point you are drafting more on potential than anything else. The Pittsburgh Steelers have gotten huge returns on athletic freaks becoming stud wideouts for them. I see no reason why we can't beat them in that arms race (except our terrible history developing wide receivers). It's worth a shot at this draft spot.

To summarize: 1 cover ILB, 2 CBs, 1 OTs, 1 pass rushing OLB, 1 pass rushing DE, 2 WR, 1 long term backup QB

I didn't set out drafting for need, but the way the board fell, all of our most glaring needs were tackled. The most radical thing might be the lack of any trades. I would love to add another OLB somewhere in here but there are only so many picks. A bunch of boom or bust prospects are included in this draft as well (Tapper and Boehringer stand out in this regard), but if our coaching staff pulls the best out of these players we will enter into a legitimate era of dominance.

Carl Lawson and Desmond King. I was crushed they weren't in the draft this year.

And if Chris Jones is gone in the 3rd, someone like Sterling Shepard would be quite the consolation prize at WR.

26 minutes ago, Edgar said:

 

It's conceivable Jack will be there and I agree he is the best player in the draft with Tunsil.

William Jackson goes top 15. 

 

It's tough to figure out how this draft is going to go in some aspects. There's almost certainly going to be a faller that's worth trading up for, whether it ends up being Jackson III or someone like an A'Shawn Robinson. If Cyrus Jones is gone in the 6th, I would go for the best available offensive linemen, someone like a Joe Dahl. We've had some success with late round O-linemen in Urschel and Jensen, we should try and add on to that.

1st round, 6th overall: Myles Jack, ILB

He is in reality what people think Jalen Ramsey can be. As long as his health checks out, he is the best player in the draft to me. If I was the Titans I wouldn't flinch from taking him number 1 overall. I think he would be the biggest Ravens steal since Ed Reed.

Trade 36th overall and 104th overall picks for Carolina's pick at 30th overall: William Jackson III, CB

The trade up is necessary to keep other teams like the Titans and Browns from nabbing him at the top of the 2nd, and frankly he might not even be here at this spot come draft day. He immediately comes in and contributes, and I would be surprised if he isn't a starter at some point in 2016.

3rd Round Pick, 70th overall: Chris Jones, DE

Yet another player who may not make it to this spot. He's got explosion in droves and affects the play even when he is not getting stats out of it. He reminds me very much of Jernigan, but would be a very beneficial rotation at DE to keep both men fresh.

Trade 130th overall and 182nd overall for Buffalo's pick at 117th overall: Yannick Ngakoue, OLB

Perhaps a tradeup won't prove necessary, but I'd rather be safe than sorry. I like Za'darius Smith, but I think that Ngakoue is a better pass rusher on Day 1. We are scary thin at OLB and our top 2 are reaching the end of their distinguished careers, making this local product a no-brainer.

4th Round Pick, 132nd overall: Rashard Higgins, WR

He's skinny as all get out but he's quick, and his long speed seems better on tape than the 4.64 he had at the combine. His college production is unquestionable as well. Ultimately, Higgins in the 4th brings a level of cockiness and swagger we haven't had in a young receiver in recent memory. It's worked out with veterans like Boldin and Smith Sr, hopefully we can finally grow our own.

4th Round Pick, 134th overall: Charles Tapper, DL

Athletic freak with surprisingly solid tape, definitely worth something as a developmental prospect with a sky high ceiling. I use DL because frankly I'm not sure what position he will play, but I think Clarence Brooks and Joe Cullen will love molding him.

6th Round Pick, 209th overall: Cyrus Jones, CB

A local kid who went to Alabama, plays corner, and is a return specialist. Check check and check. Versatile player who will compete to make the 53 and might be our starting returner next year, despite Kaelin Clay's generally admirable 2015.

This draft aggressively attacks our weaknesses on defense with 2 pass rushing DL (Chris Jones and Charles Tapper), a pass rushing OLB (Yannick Ngakoue), a coverage linebacker who I think is the best player in the draft (Myles Jack), a ballhawking size speed specimen at CB (William Jackson III) and a versatile defensive back and returner (Cyrus Jones).

Not delighted about the lack of OL, which to me is an urgent urgent need that's deeply underrated, but that's how the board fell. If this is how the draft ends up going, I will be nothing short of ecstatic. There's a legitimate chance all 7 draftees would make significant impacts in their rookie season.

17 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

With the way my top 5 plays out here, it's tough to predict Ozzie. Vh3, zeke, and buckner could all be the pick, and I'm not sure I could say any are most likely. And realistically between those 3 it's hard to justify one over the other. If Ozzie wants to get creative and go pure bpa without considering positional value then I think we go zeke, if we want to really add a dominant  and imposing force then we go buckner, but if we want to quickly turn the defense around then we go vh3. In this case I'm saying we try to quickly do a 180 on defense because we are sick of seeing our secondary play so disgusting

I think the solution to our secondary is pass rush, even more so than corner talent. If Buckner can be an 8-10 sacks a year type of player, I'd take him over Hargreaves. I'm just not sure that he can be that guy.