gabrielgrissom

20....... But they never won anything... That's the thing though... Cleveland sports has been known for losing that's what I'm trying to prove

IMO I only like the all blakcs when were playing at night or at a 4:25 game... These last few years we used them on terrible teams... Falcons browns and panthers at the time... Completely ruined the idea... Now I remember on thanksgiving night against the steelers in all black lol yup... Were they tough yup... Did we win yup... Steelers nope

And another thing... So we here in these forums love Daniel brown who I agree has some ability but on some plays looks completely lost and can't locate the ball for anything but we bash kamar on here... Lol ok

I dont think you guys realize that if we keep doing that were not going to get anywhere... Remember back when our secondary was good... We had conitnuity we have this secondary for at least two more years... Stew like kendrick came on late in the year and no one wanted to give him credit they just focused on the play early in the season... and the thing with Joe is he only really looks at one read then checks it down... Hes already got in mind what he is going to do before he snaps the ball... He's got as on a slant or then he can look at Crockett then he would check it down... Its kinda like a one read offense without him escaping the pocket every 5 plays that's why we never saw kamar. I get the feeling he is a big madden player

Every team has been good at one point I'm lying when I'm saying that... But how far ago was that? Did they ever win anything besides with Jim brown.... As I remember they always choked or had bad misfortune or just plain sucked

Not necessarily when dean pees mans up and puts some confidence in playing cover 2 and cover 1 we excel. But dean pees gunna dean pees What type of fan is this? oh but wait until next week when Pittsburgh offense comes to town.. There pretty good...

we could have thrown 10 mil at tyrod this offseason and he might have still went to buffalo... Joe never got hurt... I mean I think we all know that he's a competitor and wants a chance to start and shine like he is now

yea I would like if either of those two started on the PS earlier I think on another topic I posted I doubt they would be on our 53 week 1 but after this season I would not be surprised if one of those guys are our #1 reciever I'm truly prepared for anything lol

browns have sucked forever we have sucked for one year

and your someone from the internet who has never played football at a high level before arguing over someone who doesn't even know you exist... I don't want him to be bold in if you actually have been reading my posts I say he is not boldin and will have to work hard to have a name like his... He's not mediocre when PFF has him as a top 25 reciever in the league... That's A OK in my book... And if he's being force fed the ball then first off why did JB catch like 7 balls the other day and still got 5 for 50... Do you watch games or do you look at stats and hate on people that are making checks?

If we actually want to keep one of those big bodied receivers I think out of him Marlon and waller... If were gonna keep one of those guys we need to keep Dan brown... That being said I don't see any of the three being on the 53 DAY 1 emphasis on day 1 but I can see us keep him around on the ps

And he doesn't have that boldin name or credentials but from eye test he's not that far off if at all talent wise from Q... His short and under mediate routes can matchup with most corners in the league and has decisive intermediate in and out routes... And he's underrated on the 9 route he goes up against a corner that is not top notch he can go up and make a play... His yac examples against the browns on Monday night in new england last year during the playoffs in Miami last year in the game where he broke out... He's better than what we ravens fans give him credit for

I still feel bad for the chargers... they have gone through stuff like this for at least a good 5 6 years

Its WAAYYYY to early to start saying perriman was a wasted pick... that being said we got jimmy KO BWill CJ Maxx looks like a good tight end crockett was a third rounder... jernigan if he is consistent can be tremendous... im still willing elam another year... torrey... not to mention the udfas and late round picks we have hit on

Listen, I have respect for boldin... but im not underappreciating what kamar has done for us... just read the quote... im not trying to start some big argument/fight... i respect you as a poster... ive been on here since 2013 so clearly i have been a fan since that year... been a fan since 06... he was a part timer on special teams all up until last year... you can see from the post above what i think of kamar and my expectations of him... hes no Q but i believe he has the talent he does

Because he started in 2011 with the bills and then went to the pats and finished the 2013 year on our practice squad... hence i said he has been 'playing' in the league... ive been watching football for more than 2 years trust me dude anything else you want to try me on?

and I won't either .. Boldin has more savvy for the game and has made bigger plays for us in bigger games... But if you put kamar Aiken right now in boldins shoes I don't see why he couldn't produce at boldins level that's what I'm trying to say... I personally believe he is a slot or a 6th man in basketball terms the reciever who is first up when Steve or breshad need a breather... Because all I see is solid play... Sure he has dropped some balls who hasn't?

because kamar has been playing in the league for two years....Dude .... How long has bold in been in the league how many times did boldin fought 5 for 50 in a row here?

during 4 games against sub par competition... I remember this forum was not too fond of him before the playoff run... And our offense ran through ray rice ... Boldin if anything was a tremendous blocker... Which kamar is an adequate enough blocker... Boldin dropped balls while we were here and so has kamar... Boldin fumbled balls so has kamar... Boldin made clutch plays kamar has made clutch plays in Pittsburgh earlier this year in Miami last year and last game before the end of the half when we were still fighting that game and he went up and snagged the ball away from the db back to back. If I can quote Steve smith here 'How about you suit up and line up press coverage against kamar, see how that works out for you.'

If your thinking about that divisional game i believe that was housh ... Im still upset about that one... Butits like the only way you guys will be satisfied with him is if hes calvin and doesnt drop or fumble one ball for us at all... News flash recievers arent perfect... Ive seen sss drop like 3 or 4 ball against cinncinati in last years season opener and then caught what was then a game winning ball... Ive seen steve smith senior catch a ball and blatantly fumble against indy... If you slap a credible name on the back of his jersey right now you guys would have no problem with him This post just absolutely makes 0 sense and it shows your hate for the man... First of all 2012 was almost 4 years ago... Time goes by player get older/regress/improve... Second of all if you get open and your catching ball and your doing it consistently what are you supposed to do tell the quarterback 'hey don't throw me the ball'... I mean wasn't sss being force fed the ball I didn't hear you complaining then...

both agree and disagree two completely different players and different skill sets PFF has kamar rated right now as like an 85... I mean what did boldin do that kamar hasn't?

And its sad to embarrass the loyal fans that would have stuck it out if they had a chance to go to the games

I was about to make a post about how cleveland played good the other day and has a shot at another win then i looked at there schedule...

Thats a pretty good dream you got there Nothing would surprise me after 2013 they promoted juan costillo... who knows they might fire jerry and harbs might step down for pees. lol dont take me serious *2 1/2 good years... some more upset fans complaining that jimmy is playing injured just saying he sucks Givens or matthews have about a 10 % shot at the roster lets keep it real... givens has done his job but nothing to waste a space on... we have 3-4 capable tight ends and 4 capable running backs and a fullback... that means there might only be 5 receivers next year think Perriman kamar a draft choice/free agency/cap casualty player Campanaro and kaelin clay for our return man