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I  don't understand how the chargers can  lose their two top receivers such as Macolm Flyod and Denario Alexander but still turn out to have the  fifth overall offense in the league. Is rookie Keenan Allen,Vincent Brown and Eddie Royal really  that more talented than Torrey Smith, Marlon Brown and Jacoby Jones ? Is Philip Rivers whom had a disaster year under the  air corydell system last year really that much better than Joe Flacco ?

 

Keenan Allen is making noise right now in the league , Vincent Brown is a slot receiver at best with good hands, and Eddie Royal is the speedy guy   whom is a good kick returner with iffy hands at times but im not sure if they are  great route runners.  I know they still have one of the best tight ends in the game  in Antonio Gates   but yet they are ranked 4th in the league when it comes to passing the ball. I think that's amazing how a offensive coordinator can do so well when  he loses basicly his number one and two receivers to injuries but still produce a good passing offense but it's ashame the ravens offense couldn't do the same.

You have some knowledge on these guys but perhaps need to check out the details, maybe hit a chargers forum. Keenan Allen just isn't some guy making noise, he is a rookie with great route running skills, better than any of our receivers, who has been able to affect the passing game short mid and deep without elite speed. Keenan is the real deal when healthy and probably their best receiver when it comes to running routes even when Floyd and Denario get back, despite being their rookie. Antonio had a bounce back year and Phillip Rivers is worlds above Flacco in terms of reading defenses and accuracy on a consistent basis. Flacco is still the much better QB and might even match Rivers's mental ability one day but he isn't even close right now. Rivers is no joke, he isn't built for Air Coryell, Flacco is. They are totally different QBs. Just because a bunch of boneheaded teams passed on the most NFL ready receiver doesn't mean he wasn't just that. He has been a pleasure to watch, and watch him we will,next Sunday, all of us. 

2 reasons. The Ravens are very successful with the best GM in the biz, and a very talented QB.

I think a new OC would and should have concerns about the personnel on offense and that would be part of the hiring.

Those would be reasons why people would go on to become head coaches. Those statements are true but are exactly indicative of the even greater problems facing prospective OCs. People keep talking about Trestman and what he did for the Bears but they forget the Bears offense is much more talented then their defense. The offense became the focal point immediately, they grabbed Bennet and the offensive lineman Long. Alshon was always going to be a stud year 2, anyone who knew his skill set could see that coming. It's not as simple as just grabbing another coordinator, that's my point. We agree the prospective OC's would have to be assured of more support than their predecessors usually got, but I don't see them fully getting it, which will dissuade the top minds from ever coming here.

No to Kubiak because his offense is all based on the run game. Once the run game is gone, then it's downhill from there.

 

Kyle Shanahan is someone I would look into since he knows the ZBS, but he's also bringing in the WCO, which is not part of Flacco's strength.

 

Hue Jackson... Ravens need to pull the trigger on this guy since he can work magic on the team like he did with the Bengals Running Game.

 

Send Jim Caldwell back to QB Coach!

Hue Jackson coming back to the Baltimore coaching staff would be nice. Shanny jr and kubiak aren't exactly good choices. Kubiak isn't a real upgrade and I still have questions about how much Kyle had to do with the RG3 debacle.

Doesn't Kubiak live and die with the play-action pass? I don't remember him running a very creative systems either. I'd rather have us continue down the path we took this season, but get more creative in the playcalling.

Its a case of "the grass is greener on the other side". We catch many of our guys faults but someone from the outside looks better than they actually are.

You would think, but some people definitely take joy in the failures.

I think Caldwell is in over his head as an OC. That's just what I think.

I don't think Caldwell is in over his head as a Ravens OC. I think with the limited power and resources we have always given our OCs they always come out looking bad, even when they build super bowl winning offenses. I don't think this is a desirable job unless Ozzie lets prospective candidates know he is going to spend a year or two looking out for the offense. Who in their right mind will come here knowing the odds(draft direction,personnel,deep rooted offensive philosophy, and fan base) stacked against them. No one becomes our OC and then goes on to bigger things, for a reason.

What has Caldwell done to show that he should keep the job? He doesn't even have his own playbook. Harp on Joe all you want but last I checked we're the first offense to finish with below 3.0 ypc on the season since 1994. That's a total offensive failure. By every measure this is the worst offense we've had in a very long time. Flacco, Rice, whatever, players need to make plays. But if you're telling me thag EVERYONE on offense just happened to regress majorly at the same time...I have a bridge to sell you.

I feel like some of you are actually afraid that we'll be successful with a change. Why else would there be such animosity at the mere suggestion?

Seriously? We all want success, that's being a fan. But when criticizing the guy you have to know the whole story. It isn't all on Caldwell. If we can get the right personnel or if he can adapt his playbook to what we end up having then I predict this offense will get back on track. 

There isn't, after all teams play defense too, but at the very least you can help your receivers out.

I was watching our game with an Eagles fan yesterday and he commented that the Ravens use ZERO spacing in their offense and that the receivers always seem to be placed close to each other. Is it any wonder that it's easy for defenses to key in on them? We've been saying this on this board for a long time, but this was an EAGLES fan who pointed this out.

Ironically, during Eagles/Cowboys last night, the announcers mentioned how important spacing is to Chip Kelly and how it makes things harder for opposing defenses.

Players, both receivers and QB, have to make plays. But the system can either help or hurt.

My biggest issue with the Ravens is that we don't even really have a system. What's our offensive identity outside of chucking the ball deep? Why are we sticking with Cam's playbook even though he isn't here anymore? We need someone with a vision who can help us establish an actual offensive identity.

1. I think you are referring to bunch formations, which are designed to help receivers get off of the line without being pressed and confuse zone defenders in the area. It works well when your receivers run good routes and can find the holes in the coverage shell. It all comes down to your personnel. Chip used bunch formations at Oregon a bit but with the Eagles he has two beast TEs and hyper talented receivers. Bunch is used to hide weaknesses of the offense and attack weaknesses of the defense. Spreading out doesn't do anything extra for us. You have to know why these coaches use these formations and how before you critique their work.

2. We have a system and offensive identity. The Air Coryell system and had a rugged tough physical swaggering bunch of men in every position group. We are sticking the Air Coryell despite Cam leaving because it fit our offense best this year. We couldn't fit into much else. We don't have the talent at receiver that others do. Our offensive identity has already been established but when you can't do what you used to be good at it shakes everything up. Once the run game is back in order and we get a true possession receiver on the field the entire thing falls into place.    

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