J. Naranjo

8 minutes ago, rmcjacket23 said:

Torrey Smith is a speed WR... they're more valuable. Chain movers like Aiken every team already has... not every team has the speed that Torrey does. 

Torrey also had 3 straight seasons over 800 yards and averaged like 17 YPC. Aiken's career best season was roughly the equivalent of an average season over 4 years for Torrey.

There's your difference.

What I mean is that Torrey never worked out as a number one receiver and he still got paid big. I dont expect Aiken to be paid that much, but he is going to get paid based on past production, and he doesnt want to be with ravens after not getting on the field this year.

2 minutes ago, rmcjacket23 said:

Yes but you don't have the luxury of keeping every veteran on the roster just in case your draft picks don't pan out. We don't even have the roster space for that.

If that's the case, then you also need a safety net for the safety net. If you can't trust Webb to stay healthy, and you can't trust a rookie to play well, then you need somebody else don't you?

Can spin our wheels on that forever and literally every position. Its why depth is so important. But an extension doesn't solve any of those problems. In fact, it delays all of them.

not every veteran, but after the expected moves, if you cut webb, your starting safeties would be weddle and marqueston huff. Not only they are your starting safeties, they are your only safeties. If ravens bring someone good in free agency, someone that can start alongside weddle and costs less than webb then sure, cut him and free up cap space. but right now, the ravens cant afford to cut webb unless they want to stick with kendrick lewis as their starter

3 minutes ago, rmcjacket23 said:

If you're going to draft a young guy that contribute, then why would you sign him to an extension? You're just pushing dead money into the future, and you're not really doing much for the salary cap in the long run. Need to look at the salary cap impact over more than just a one year period.

The ONLY way I'm signing him to an extension is if I'm not interested in investing a high draft pick or a FA signing in a safety this offseason. If I'm convinced that I'm going to use a day 1 or day 2 pick on a safety, there's absolutely no way I'd sign him to an extension. I'd keep him on his deal as is.

Based on what I see, Wallace is the only veteran player on the roster I see that will even get any consideration for an extension, and I personally think that's a mistake as well. Don't really see any upside in extending Webb, Pitta or Doom at this point, and I doubt the FO has any interest there as well. I think they're fully aware of where they need to get younger at and fast.

because you dont know if the young guy will contribute. its your safety net. imagine we draft a guy high and end up with another matt elam who is not good enough to be on the field. And the extension I would only consider it if the ravens are saying salary cut or release for him. In a dream scenario, I would leave him as it is, draft a young guy and hope he can play. then let webb go next year

2 minutes ago, rmcjacket23 said:

You're comparing a corner to a WR though, which are two VERY different positions in terms of market values and demand. I think NFL teams know that this league is full of guys just like Kamar Aiken.

I would also point out that when players get paid based on one year of production, its always typically based on the most recent year of great production, which doesn't apply to Aiken, because that was two years ago.

By comparison, what's exactly the difference between Kamar Aiken and somebody like, say, Reuben Randle? In terms of production (even just looking at a single season), the numbers would favor Randle heavily.

He got very, very little interest in FA last season, and ultimately signed for what is essentially bare bones.

I think fans greatly overvalue Aiken's value to the NFL, and are going to find out in about a month (or longer most likely) what that value is.

As far as him returning to Baltimore, I could care less where he wants to play or if he even plays here. He's just another guy as far as I've seen, and I don't think him being here or not being here will make much difference in our 2017 success.

Torrey Smith got paid 8M per after posting his best season not in a contract year. I dont expect Aiken to get 8M per, but 5/6 sounds reasonable to me. not that I would pay it or want the ravens to pay it, I just think someone would pay it, browns maybe depending on what happens with Pryor. I agree with you, him being here wouldnt make a difference in our success in 2017, thats why I would like to see him leave.

4 minutes ago, rmcjacket23 said:

I'd take the under on that, even in a bad FA market for WRs.

I think other teams are aware that he's been 3rd or 4th on the depth chart in an offense that has lacked quality WRs for some time now, and as such, I'm not sure there's a team out there where he would be higher than 2nd on the chart. Certainly not going to get any looks as a #1 WR from anybody.

If he gets more than $5M a year on a 2-3 year, mostly non-guaranteed contract, I'd be surprised.

there are teams willing to pay big money for one year of production. ravens paid shareece wright based on 9 games and he now has to be cut. And I dont think its even money related wether aiken stays or goes. he had some comments that basically said he was mad with his position the depth chart and it would certanly factor in free agency decisions

4 minutes ago, rmcjacket23 said:

Agreed, BUT, he will also be 32 next season. If he were 22 coming out of college, whole different discussion.

32 year old converted corner to safety in the last year of his contract (that pays him like a corner) with a large amount of durability concerns who is basically average by PFF standards.

That will get you on the roster bubble everytime.

with so many free agents and have-to-be-cut players in the secondary, webb has to stay. Get him a 2 year extension, that lowers the cap, gets paid like a safety instead of a corner, draft a young guy that can contribute and see where to go from there next year.

14 hours ago, huntrgathrr said:

I would have no problem letting Webb or Dumervil go. We should trade up for 2 high round corners and a safety. Replacements for Orr and Williams can be found in the early and mid rounds. Kafusi and Correa have to come up big this year..
Wallace also can go as he is too expensive for what he contributes. I think Waller and Perriman will step up this year so keeping Aiken and adding a couple of receivers in the early rounds would be wise from a cap space viewpoint.
Maxx Williams and Boyle need to emerge this year to complement Pitta. Pitta showed he is fully healed and had a pretty good year, often making 9-10 catches a game.
I'm happy with West and Dixon as well as Juice at RB. The hit Juice put on Mitchell on Christmas Day to score the go ahead TD showed me the guy can be a real contributor next year.
I hope they find a way to keep Wagner and Brandon Williams as it will be a big loss if they lose them both.

No way Aiken remains with Ravens after falling from the number 1 receiver last year to the number 4 this year. plus, with his production from a year ago he could very well make around the same money wallace will make this year

19 hours ago, jsarrocohome@yahoo.com said:

webb played terrible and so did Levine and all those players you just named will all be thankfully cut

16 overall safety in the NFL per pff.. seems good enough to me for a first year safety

  1 hour ago, omar586 said:

we're more likely to sign WAGNER than WILLIAMS,

I don't think so. $10 mil per is what the starting price for Wagner is. If we had to choose 1, Williams would be it. IMO

I dont expect Wagner to get 10M per unless someone overpays him like the raiders did with Osemele. 7 is what I expect but there are a ton of teams willing to overpaying a pretty good right tackle so who knows..

We can double salary cap space pretty quickly -like the article said but that is before we try to sign Wags or Williams.... and those two could also wipe out a pretty big chunk. That does leave us with some tough decisions (mike Wallace, Pitta, Watson, LGuy, and Kamar). All those guys could be let go in an effort to clear more space but they could also all contribute in a big way. WE need to clear some money but we need production for our investment!

Guy and Kamar are already UFA, letting them go wont free any cap room. Plus Kamar is already gone, he said that, after being the leader last season but falling this year, it will factor in his free agency decision, translation, he is gone

  1 hour ago, J. Naranjo said:

2014 was too long ago to have it as your expectation for a 33 year old situational player. ravens dont need more pass rushers, they need better ones, and dumervil hasn't been good enough.

Ok but are you sure the pass rusher that will drafted will be good? Are you sure that Judon and Z.Smith will be better next year? That is why you need Dum at reduced price in the team.When healthy, he is our best pass rusher after Suggs. He is a proven pass rusher and has only been bad because of injury. Even while injuried, he still has a better sack number than all of our young pass rushers. If he takes a pay cut, he will help the team. If cut he will be good in another team. We need Dum, Webb, Pitta and Wallace at reduced prise. They still have things to give to the team and help develop the young kids in the team.

Dumervil hasn't been much better than Zadarius Smith and Matt judon. Thing is Dum takes 8.3M and smith and judon take 1.3M combined. thats a 7M difference for a slightly better performance. I'd rather give the chance to a younger guy than stick with someone who hasn't been productive the last two years. Maybe sign someone in free agency that will come at a much lower price than 8.3M (bringing back john simon maybe?) Pitta isnt going to take a pay cut after a career year where he lead all TEs in receptions. With Steve Smith retired and Aiken gone, Wallace wont take a pay cut because he has to know that the ravens arent going to go with Perriman and campanaro as their starters.

3 minutes ago, leziRav said:

That is what i said, he come back on a reduced price. We need pass rusher, depth too. Dum has proven he is very good when healthy, remember 2014 season? So we can use him while our young pass rusher developped and get used to NFL. The more pass rushers we have the better. We all know the weakest of our D, CB and pass rushers. We get loaded on those then our D will top 3 in the league.

2014 was too long ago to have it as your expectation for a 33 year old situational player. ravens dont need more pass rushers, they need better ones, and dumervil hasn't been good enough.

2 minutes ago, jsarrocohome@yahoo.com said:

webb has to go and if A Levin is your secondary depth then you have no secondary

webb played really well for a first year safety and you cant lose so many people in the secondary without a solid plan. Levine, mat telam, jerraud powers are all ufa, kendrick lewis and kyle arrington have to be cut. if you add webb to that list you have eric weddle and marqueston huff as your only safeties. levine is a solid back up and pretty good special teamer, he wont cost much to keep and webb has to stay with so many turnaround going on

I think Dum, Webb, Pitta and Wallace will be back with reduce price, minimun impact on the cap space. Then the rest of the people on the list will be release. With that we can still have over $30 Mil on cap space to sign Brandon, Juice and maybe Wagner. I honestly believe Wagner is gone. With that money will sign Garcon and a CB.

With the first 4 picks through rd 3,we can select a pass rusher, CB, center, guard/ tackle. If we get a guard then Alex Lewis will play RT. It think we will be a better team next year. Ozzie and co have a lot of work to do this off-season. This is a very crucial off season.

I really hope ravens dont hold on to dumervil. he is a pure pass rusher and ravens need a new do-it-all outside linebacker like suggs is. his cap hit is way too high for a guy who only plays on 3rd downs and hasn't been productive enough lately(9 sacks in 2 years). unless he takes a significant pay cut, the ravens shouldn't keep him

cut dumervil, watson, wright, arrington and lewis. extend webb with a maybe 2 year contract, he played pretty good in his first year as a safety so I would try to keep him while lowering his cap hit. resign anthony levine for secondary depth plus special teams, resign guy (highly underrated team player), juice and if possible wagner. Williams will price out and we know it.. ravens cant overcommit to just one player with so many holes in the roster, specially when michael pierce played so well as an undrafted rookie. hopefully he can take a step forward next year.

Said it a couple times. Juszczyk is the biggest priority. He may not be the best UFA, that belongs to Brandon Williams, but the Ravens need to revive their run game ASAP and having the best FB in the game helps. He wont take an incredibly high cap room either so negotiations should be faster. If Ravens decide to focus on Williams first, they may miss on Juszczyk, that's why I believe they should do him first. Also, if Williams ends up wanting too much money and Ravens cant pay him, Michael Pierce can come in the rotation. He played incredibly well as an undrafted rookie. Plus, the Ravens have prepared in case Williams left. Pierce, WIllie Henry and Carl Davis could all be in the mix. Sure Williams is a better player, but there is a back up plan already in the team. If Juszczyk leaves there's a hole in a position the Ravens really need right now

According to Spotrac, Chris Lewis-Harris is a RFA, not an UFA, and Chris Mathews is a RFA, not an ERFA

bengals. never root for the steelers. plus i'll get some madden coins if bengals win this game lol

for android those "emoji" are really images. I was really looking forward to use them...

If we extend now Tucker we will get that Wolfpack for years. Two of the best at there positions

if trestman keeps the running game like last year instead of short passes to the backfield like chicago did, with our O-line gillmore and boyle at TE, forsett may easily reach 1500 yards running... so many possibilities on offense this year men...

mad maxx would be pretty cool, but why dont we wait until he plays at least a snap?