Tyler

As we've seen and heard so many times from guys like Harbaugh, Ozzie, and Decosta, year after year they are looking for guys that "Play like a Raven", so I'm asking you guys, when are they finally going to say enough is enough? I don't know about you all, but I'm sick and tired of this front office taking prospects completely off of their board, simply because they partied a little too much in college, or happen to be a little out there in terms of intensity, and settling for much less talented and impactful prospects that "Look like a Raven". A prime example, passing on a guy (MULTIPLE TIMES) who would have led our entire team in sacks as a rookie(Noah Spence), for Kamalei Correa, who couldn't even perform well enough to dress with the team most games. We've seen it happen numerous other times, and in my opinion, that's what's keeping this team hovering around mediocrity. That's not me saying that I want the next Greg Hardy or Aldon Smith, as domestic violence is a HUGE red flag, but lets be honest, Football is not a sport for choir boys, and sometimes you need guys that have that extra edge. Our best defensive player was labeled by many as a "bad character guy" coming out of Colorado, simply because he smoked a little weed in college, and we all know what our defense looked like without him on the field. So my question is, how many busted picks is it going to take for this team to tweak its drafting strategy? I'm not saying let's be the Cincinnati Bengals, but let's take some calculated risks on guys like Tim Williams, and see what they can do. What do we have to lose, Because "Looking like a Raven" has sure looked a lot like 8-8 as of late. 

21 minutes ago, usmccharles said:

So you want to make a position we are already good at, be more crowded.  The issue was not committing to the run, but the execution of the backs.  So drafting a guy to crowd that backfield even more while we have a good two headed monster and miss out on quality players at positions we actually need is a mistake the front office will not make and I am thankful for that.  That being said ive been a huge advocate for find another Ray Rice, but not at #16 overall when we clearly need CB and a pass rusher.  And you speak of Cook having potential, Dixon has that same potential....neither one of them have done it, but they can

West is also an unrestricted free agent. I'm not advocating for Dalvin Cook to be the pick. I would much rather have Mike or Tim Williams, as I feel they fill a much bigger need, but I wouldn't be upset at all with Dalvin Cook in a Ravens uniform. I think Dixon has potential, but it doesn't match Cook's. 

2 minutes ago, usmccharles said:

I would absolutely be upset.  We have a great tandem in west and Dixon and Dixon has even looked to show like he could be legit playmaker.  Would be an absolute waste of a draft pick considering all the other needs we have. 

 The only thing that would upset me about drafting Dalvin Cook is if Marty Mornhinweg failed to properly utilize him. Cook is a guy that could be an absolute game changer. Dixon is a good back, but Dalvin Cook has the potential to be great. In an offense lacking game changers, Cook would be welcomed.

7 minutes ago, GamingRaven92 said:

I'm 50/50 on it. He definitely deserves a chance because he was having to use the Trestman play book. Given an off season to rework everything and get some new talent on the team, he could end up being a very well OC. So we'll see. He does have the track record of being very very good, especially compared to Trestman

He also has a track record of making the run game non existent, and a track record for winning a coin toss in SUDDEN DEATH overtime, only to choose to kick the ball to the other team..... So forgive me for not being very optimistic. 

51 minutes ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

We had the #1 D in the league most of the league with literally no pass rush to speak of... i dont know many Defenses that could pull that off, and the wheels only fell off when Jimmy Smith was out.

While, sure there are some teams that could still compete without their #1 corner, but when he's really your only decent corner other than a rookie youre going to struggle. And when that rookie is 5'9" youre really going to struggle when matchups include bigger, stronger receivers.

Seattles D looks to have lost some of their bite without Earl Thomas. I think Jimmy is almost as important to our secondary, as he allows us to ignore 1/2 of the field.

I mean, i dont know how you can really blame Pees. I get there may be some things you differ in opinion on, but the Defense carried us into contention up until the last 2 weeks... and then yes, had a meltdown without Jimmy. But, thats a personnel issue.

And those hating his "prevent" which i beg to differ -isnt a prevent... what do you want to do instead? Try hard to pressure the opposing team with a pass rush that hasnt gotten home all game and expose even further an already leaky secondary sans Jimmy??

 

I mean its fine to complain and all. But solutions are better.

So the Secondary is already leaky, as you've said, so it makes sense to rush 3 and drop 8 guys in coverage who aren't very strong to begin with?! Wrong. You get creative and try to execute some type of pressure! It is a proven fact that if you let Ben Roethlisberger stand in the pocket of a 3 man rush, he will rip your defense to shreds, as he and many other good QB's have accomplished against this defense week in and week out. Those defending Pees need to realize that these end of game situations have just as much to do with the play calling as they do with the personnel on the field .

Honestly, HIGHLY questionable coaching decisions, both in game, and in building his staff, paired with the lack of success this team has seen after the departure of guys like Ed Reed and Ray Lewis, has ultimately exposed John Harbaugh as a vastly overrated head coach, imo. It pisses me off as a die hard fan to witness the lack of accountability and fire week in and week out from both Flacco and Harbaugh. I hope, for his sake, Mornhinweg can figure things out, because this is not a city that likes to lose, nor is it one that likes to wait. 

I would honestly love a Mike McCoy hire.... but on the flip side of that, with our luck, he will light the world on fire next year, Joe will throw for like 35-40 touchdowns, and McCoy will go become the next head coach of the Jaguars or something, and we will be stuck looking for our 7th offensive coordinator in the last 5 years smh 

Harlan Miller, Kentrell Brothers Still on the board....

Matt Judon looks like a cross between CJ Mosley and Elvis Dumervil, lol. 

1 hour ago, ALPHA said:

Don't compare pro day times to electronic times, and it wasn't 4.6.

Don't compare tape to 40 yard dash times. Like grim said, using a 40 yard dash time to evaluate an edge rusher is WAYY overblown. Technique and burst are what you look for in an edge rusher. I HATE the 40 yard dash because it clouds the judgement of some and their understanding of what makes a "good prospect". The biggest knack on his game is being a good run defender, no one questions his talent and skill set of being able to get to the quarterback. I would much rather trust tape than evaluate a guy purely on him running a 40 yard sprint in gym shorts. 

1 minute ago, GrimCoconut said:

I really don't remember, but I agree that you can disagree and still be cordial! I hope we get Spence, though. I got a feeling this kid will be really special. Him and Dodd are my top two guys. 

Spence will be a complete steal, and I honestly think he's a good kid... Reminds me a lot of Jimmy Smith in terms of character. Made a few mistakes in college, but worked hard to prove that it was that and only that, a mistake. His last 20 drug tests have been submitted to teams, and I believe this kid will have a clean pro record, and a very good career, hopefully in purple and black. 

3 minutes ago, GrimCoconut said:

We have? I don't remember that at all. Lol. 

I haven't been actively posting on this board in years up until this past off season. But back in the day, We always had solid debates, which I'm all for. People can disagree without having to attack Lol. 

12 minutes ago, ALPHA said:

I like Spence but lets pump the brakes, he ran a 4.8 so he's no Von Miller.

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-combine/0ap3000000639689/Mayock-compares-Spence-to-Von-Miller-Khalil-Mack

2 minutes ago, GrimCoconut said:

This is a common misconception. I'm not sure if Spence is another Von Miller, but when you talk about explosiveness off the ball you look at the broad jump and not the 40. The 40 does not measure how explosive a player is off the snap--that would be the broad jump. Spence posted a 121.0 Inch, whereas Miller posted a 126.0 inch, which is amazing. Khalil Mack posted a 128.0 broad jump. 

Couldn't agree more! Which is weird because In the past you and I have respectfully agreed to disagree quite a bit haha. 

1 minute ago, ALPHA said:

I like Spence but lets pump the brakes, he ran a 4.8 so he's no Von Miller.

Let's be clear... He had a bad combine time. He already knocked it down to a 4.6 at his pro day. I didn't call him Von Miller, I said he Compares favorably, which he does. Don't believe me? Watch his tape, and look at the physical measurables. I think Von Miller and Khalil Mack are very fair physical comparisons, and like I said, Spence will be one of the best players to come out of this draft. Spence>>>>>>>>>> Whitehair and it's not even close. 

10 minutes ago, ALPHA said:

I don't mind if we double dip with a lineman, Whitehair is a better prospect than Spriggs. Sterling Shepard makes sense.

I like Spence but there are quality sleeper pass rushers being well, slept on.

Spence will be the best edge rusher in this draft. He compares favorably to Von Miller. Had he stayed at Ohio state, I have no doubt in my mind he would have been picked over Bosa. 

9 hours ago, LosT_in_TranSlatioN said:

If we didn't take Tunsil cause of the bong thing then I think that takes Spence off the board. Especially with the Will Hill thing. I don't think Jack will be there(I hope. I'd snatch him up there). Dodd? Maybe, but I don't think he's better than Billings, Robinson, Reed, etc. Wouldn't be upset with either of those three. 

 

But we take the BPA dude. Jack is easily the BPA, but we might take either Billings or Whitehair. 

 

Stanley-Whitehair-Zuttah-Yanda-Wagner

 

Thats a damn good oline right there. I'd be estatic. 

I would probably cry real tears if we went OL with our first 2 picks. That would be completely ridiculous. This team has legitimate holes on the defensive side of the ball, and there's no way we don't address that early. Corner, PASS RUSHER, ILB.... And we go offensive line rounds 1 and 2? No way, and no thank you. I like the Stanley pick, but I will be furious if they don't go playmaker. 

I've said it all along, If there was one guy that I had to bet money on being drafted by us, it was Noah Spence. I'm sticking to that prediction, I think he's our guy. The Stanley pick becomes a whole lot sexier after tomorrow. If we can draft a premier defender in the 2nd that has first round talent, AND managed to draft our future franchise LT, it's a win win. 

6 minutes ago, CaliRavenFan said:

Can you guys please explain the love for Ramsey? I would understand if he was a turnover machine but he lacks that skill. I believe Myles Jack is our best option in the draft, not only can he thrive on the inside but if we end up drafting Scooby Wright in the 4th then Myles Jack can slide outside and start opposite of Suggs. 

 

The reports about his knee is hopefully our Ravens trying to get him to slide down just far enough for us to draft him.

Interceptions in college are a bit of an overrated statistic, honestly. Think about it, the talk of guys like Jalen Ramsey and Mackenzie Alexander not  being ball-hawking defensive backs is way overblown, because college quarterbacks respect them too much to even throw their way most of the time. Patrick Peterson had 6 career interceptions in his career at LSU, I believe? That will change when they make the transition to the NFL. They will be tested from the start, so hold judgement until then. 

6 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

Well I've never been a Broncos fan and that was a good few years ago so I don't remember, I thought they were a 43 when he was in his prime there. He does rely on a bullrush quite a bit though, it's his main attribute. I personally just think bosa will be a very good player for us and I don't even think he will line up at olb in our front.

Youre right. He does use the bull rush quite a bit, but he's also 5-11 and is able to play low and gain significant leverage due to his size. The thing that scares me about Bosa, is his underwhelming ability to rush around the edge, and while his floor seems pretty safe, his ceiling isn't as high as other options at 6. It will be interesting to see how he performs against  more athletic, NFL level tackles. 

19 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

Dumervil relies heavily on a bullrush and he was always a DE rather than an olb, id say he turned out ok for us.

I have to disagree on that. When Denver switched to a 4-3 while Dumervil was still on the team, he struggled mightily with his hand in the dirt. I remember trade rumors surfacing because of it. In my opinion, they are polar opposites. I don't have anything against Bosa, I just don't like him nearly as much as Jalen Ramsey or Myles Jack in terms of becoming a game changing defender. 

3 minutes ago, rmw10 said:

Jaguars top 3 are rumored to be:

1. Myles Jack (pending health)

2. Joey Bosa

3. Jalen Ramsey

I really hope Bosa is drafted before #6, just so we don't have to worry about it. I have legitimate concerns about Bosa, and I honestly don't see him as a great fit. He relies heavily on his bull rush, and I don't know how his game will translate at the next level.

1 minute ago, Ravenskid52752 said:

no I got that too

I'm taking the report from Jamison Hensley with a grain of salt. For starters, the Ravens have never been the team to leak draft plans, and secondly, if Bosa is off the board when the Ravens pick at 6, do you really believe they would take Shaq Lawson or Leonard Floyd without at least trading down? Just doesn't add up...

Today the Ravens released the numbers that our new additions will wear, and I noticed  this:

Is this a sign of a change to the uniforms? Who knows, probably not. but It definitely has me thinking and liking that number font so much more than our current one. 

4 minutes ago, GrimCoconut said:

I just don't buy it unless someone comes out saying Bosa is likely to go to them. The days before the draft are both riddled with fact and fiction. In some ways the truest statements come to light, and in others, there's nothing but smokescreens. I typically look at the source and base my opinion on that. Dallas needs a pass rusher but they also need the best player and they haven't reached lately...granted, I don't see Bosa as a reach. I think Dallas stays true to their board because they can take either position in the second round. There will be pass rushers available in the second round as well. 

I won't argue that at all, but one Cowboys executive said That bosa is getting "Strong Consideration" at 4, and Stephen Jones apparently "Lit up" when mentioning Bosa. Casserly, Mayock, Kiper, the big "draft gurus" have just been adding to that. Like you said, it could be a smokescreen, as those become the norm days before the draft, but I see Bosa as a much better for Dallas than I ever see him being for the Ravens. Ramsey is still the dream scenario for us.