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1 minute ago, jazz1988 said:

Actually Jones was drafted in the second round by The Patriots. 

last pick of the 2nd? well he's alright. Nothing special. More about return skills i suppose.

Just now, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

Yea. Jimmy, Tavon's, Webb's, and Weddles best attributes are clearly stopping the run.

richard sherman has more interceptions than jimmy and webb combined times 4.

Just now, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

Oh i agree - i dont think they said lets grab humphrey now bc theres going to be a run and we can profit from that.

But Decosta did say on the Lounge podcast last week -- which proved to be telling -- that if one of their top CBs was on the board, that they felt could become a lockdown player, they were going to have a very hard time passing him up... bc they felt this draft was very good at the top at CB, and while deep after the 1st tier there were very good players, but not lock down type players.

If they feel they got a lock down player, then im all for it. This secondary is now scary and deep. 3 Top 15 safeties, a Top 3-5 CB (when healthy), the top young slot CB in the league, a solid veteran #2 who functioned as a league average #1 last year, and now a rookie with HUGE upside. We've got 7 DBs that can really play now. Good luck throwing on us.... and that helps the pass rush immensely.

 

And if we now can leverage a run on CBs, think about it. The difference between Humphrey and say Kazee, Howard Wilson, or Shaq Griffin - who might be the tier of CBs that are available come the 3rd round -- is imo much greater than the difference between Harris, Takk, TJ Watt and Tim Williams, Carl Lawson, Willis and Bowser who at least one of should be available at 47.

And then add the fact that a Dion Dawkins, Feeney, or Elflein could be available then in the 3rd round who arent far at all behind the 1st round guys -- we could end up filling our 3 biggest needs with two 1st round talents, and a 2nd round talent.

TE too... super deep group. Howard is obviously the class of the group, but Gerald Everett, Adam Shaheen, Bucky Hodges, George Kittle, Jake Butt -- theres some serious athletes and dynamic playmakers there if we want one. Not the polish or complete package as Howard, but definitely the athleticism to be match up nightmares.

 

So, even if you think we didnt get the greatest prospect available at 16.... i think hes among the cleanest and safest, with maybe not quite as high upside but still serious potential; and by going that direction it puts us in position to make the draft as a whole have a much bigger impact on improving this team.

 

actually i think it's the opposite. I think he's one of the riskiest with it more being about upside. Much like perriman.

1 minute ago, rossihunter2 said:

no one ever said that - they said that when they got on the clock he was the highest guy left on their board by far - not that he was better than the guy they would have traded up to get

 

When ozzie says BY FAR, it reminds me of what he said about matt elam.

We don't seem to value ball hawking in baltimore. Aside from the ed reed pick, we seem to focus mostly on run stopping secondary players.

1 minute ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

lol so bc former Bama CBs didnt work out, Humphrey wont? Sound logic.

Humphrey is his own man. If he becomes a star its because of him, and if he flops its because of him... not bc hes from Bama and Dee Milner was a bust.

 

And of course -- i forgot that youve correctly predicted every draft bust and success i history.

Just for the record, who would you have taken at 16?

 

I wouldve taken Jonathan Allen. But im not privy to his medical records, so admittedly it could blow up in my face and i could be totally wrong.

But instead of the "i was so great at predicting prospects way back when no one has proof" lets put what you think in writing for this draft.

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Bamas scheme makes corners look better than they actually are. The FO should stop this anti LSU mindset . They create great polished secondary talent.

1 minute ago, rossihunter2 said:

dre kirkpatrick has been pretty damn good for the bengals so you would have been wrong to label him a bust - as has been proven by the 5 year contract he signed and Dee Milliner played well when he was on the field he just kept getting injured like literally all the time

and as for the last decade thing there have only been 5/6 alabama corners drafted high including humphrey - and one of them was cyrus jones who was an absolute reach

in fact im pretty sure that alabama has only had 8 corners drafted at all into the NFL ever... and 2 of them were day 3 picks... so I dont know how you could draw any conclusions from that given that antonio langham, fernando bryant, kareem jackson, dre kirkpatrick were all good players for a while, dee miliner looked good when he was healthy, 2 of the corners drafted were drafted day 3 and the other one is cyrus jones (who was an enormous reach)...

 

dre has been awful, he had 1 decent but not great by any stretch of the imagination season last year. Bengal fans have never taken to him and hated the contract he was given.

yeah, btw Cyrus jones in the 3rd round wasnt a reach..thats where i projected him.

Humphrey is a 2nd round talent. I don't care how great his measurabes are.. if you're a first round corner, i want ball skills.and the ability to mirror recievers big or small.

 

 

3 minutes ago, The Mom Gene said:

http://www.baltimoreravens.com/news/article-1/Late-For-Work-428-Grades-Reaction-To-Ravens-First-Round-Pick-Of-Marlon-Humphrey/48f0282d-a3d7-4d0a-9619-7b26a9bc5335

 

Oh, and there's video of Humphrey there too...  You could check those out too while you're there.  They're pretty informative.

 

I saw that sports science video. Thing is that he doesnt play to that speed. He isn't a ''natural'' in that regard. Unless he drastically improves his footwork and ball skills along with developing an instinct to when to turn around it won't matter if he's usain bolt.

1 minute ago, The Mom Gene said:

Of course you do....  Because it was a professional that posted it.  You might want to check out the Draft Grades blog.

where is the draft grades blog? not that i need it because I never expected us to pick him based on what i saw..I thought we wanted playmakers on both sides of the ball and as a corner he isn't a playmaker. he's a hard hitter thats great at destroying screens. He isn't this fluid, instinctive shadowing corner that you would pick in the top half of the first round. He's a SS.

Just now, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

Humphrey wouldnt have gotten past the Titans at 18.

And there are many reports that Humphrey was the top CB on a lot of boards, and #2 on most of the others.

 

So was Dee milner and dre kirpatrick..more alabama nonsense whom i also saw as busts. never draft an alabama corner. Can you name any not named Kareem JAckson ( who's good not great) that have been not shown up in the pro's over the past decade?

1 minute ago, The Mom Gene said:

Baltimore Ravens: Marlon Humphrey, CB, Alabama

Grade: A-. Humprey bolsters the Ravens' new-look secondary in an exciting way. Cornerback was a position of need and he is a scheme fit as well. An outside linebacker might have been the better play here, but Baltimore did well.

 

sure, which in genius with the seriously in-depth report posted that? Hate cookie cutter stuff like this.

2 minutes ago, The Mom Gene said:

Of course it is......

Last year I lauded the stanley pick because he was a polished player with a high floor and potentially all pro ceiling. 

I don't like this notion that you can't state how you feel about a player. No one here had humphreys as a desirable pick and most had him outside the top 4 corners.

 

It's like whoever ozzie picks, okay we don't like him, we think he's overrated but what do we know? Ozzie is perfect and we know jack..

 

i don't agree, ozzie has been prone to more 1st and 2nd round messups than most in the past years.

Just now, The Mom Gene said:

NOPE...  I called Perriman. 

I also believe this guy is a Raven style player.  Could be one of the better corners in the league.  I mean whoda thought that Tavon Young was going to come out and play like he did last season...  I'm sorry...  what round was he picked again?????

 

I liked the tavon pick. I said he'd be a great slot corner (can see it in my post draft review from last year). One of my 3 fav picks along with dixon and stanely. I have a good eye for talent and a good eye for busts

 

this one is on the busts side.

Just now, The Mom Gene said:

I actually believe that even if Ozzie picked "The Guy"...  we'd still see some folks moaning that we didn't go defensive back...  Last night was a very "different" round 1 in this draft.  People who went that weren't expected were all over the place.  Folks need to chill

 

i dont have issue with BPA..need or not

 

my point is that there is No chance in hell humphreys is better than OJ howard and he isn't as good of a corner as T.White, Conely, S.Jones, Moreu or even K.King!

1 minute ago, Edgar said:

I was floored. It's as if Ozzie asked himself how it was that we missed the playoffs, determined it was lack of depth in the secondary (could be right), and ignored his mantra of best player available.

 

 

fine, PICK a corner BUT WHY HUMPHREY?????

In this draft esp..trade back get a pick and then get a corner, don't give me nonsense like ''he's the best player on our board BY FAR''. 

remember when NO ONE wanted Perriman before the draft?

No one wanted Humphreys as a corner. Most of us didnt want corners but the ones we wanted never involved humphreys for the reasons all described. Now as usual, we are not seeing things straight and imagining some lockdown corner and in truth, he's just another big athletic hitter.

It's a poor pick guys. Sorry, but in alamabas scheme for a guy to give up as many big plays as he did, along with his clearcut inability to mirror recievers and poor instincts. Alabama corners generally suck. 

You can put this along with Elam and Perriman. I actually never mentioned him in any of our drafts as 

1: If he was pure awesome or even close to lattimore/jones/white I'd have said he'd be great even if we wanted another position

2: He's a 2nd round talent 

 

I wish ozzie never played for alabama.

2 hours ago, Edgar said:

" quality depth" and, " a need pick" according to presser. Was also stated he was the best player on our board, " by far".

I can't help thinking that Ozzie of old would never have passed on OJ Howard. Even if we didn't " need" a tight end.

 

 

i'd rather he just lied than be a flat out idiot..best player ''by far'' ? 

I'll bet if he played at LSU he wouldn't even be on their board.

Just now, jazz1988 said:

Alot of teams passed on  Gronk  though probably for the same reasons.   Gronk was drafted before The Ravens picked Kindle and Terrance Cody so i'm not sure where you going with this one.

 

yeah we traded out of the first round. I'm just saying there were times when ozzie saw the stars while everyone else played cute and failed.

now he does the latter...

exceptionally well too, sadly..

Just now, Jacquouille said:

No, as a rookie and until he gets better with his jam, he can play right now as an elite zone corner.

I already said I don't see a number one in him but that can change and right now he's bringing an element of speed, instincts and intimidation to our secondary. 

 

actually, he jams as well as anyone..

Just now, jazz1988 said:

 

Allen was top 5 talented that most had going high in the first round but his medicals dropped him. His medicals must have been serious issue for a guy of his talent to fall that far.

 

we passed on gronk..and while gronk has had injury issues im pretty sure we'd have done better with him..

ahh that legendary draft..i wonder how many people here loved the terrence cody pick..?

14 minutes ago, PurpleHorseman said:

The scouting report is correct. When a player has trouble locating football much less getting his eyes around to anticipate and break it usually doesn't go away. That is something you can or can't do unfortunately for him. It's what makes Malcolm Butler so great. Gets his eyes around, anticipates finds and breaks on throws. His skills at doing that somehow helped tom Brady leapfrog Montana as the best QB of the last 25 yrs or so. Marlon can't do that and probably never will. Even his "Highlights" he sees the ball last second and scrambles to try and break it up. In his highlights anyways he was more less lucky cuz the WR dropped it and he was able to get in the way enough to cause a bobble and drop.

Not sure how our inept management could possibly have him BPA!! It is mind boggling. Does management not know what the great cornerbacks are?? What makes them so great?? Marlon could maybe excel in cover2 and any variety of zone coverage. Where he faces the QB and action and can use his elite closing burst, striking and tackling. Better yet with his size and physicality he could eventually be a great Safety. Especially if he totally bombs at cornerback it will force a move to safety. Where he could be really special!!

 

at saftey he could be a deone bucannon type. 

I'm kinda shocked the FO see him as a shadow corner. He's superb at the Line..he jams better than jimmy smith did at colorodo but boy when he has to turn his back and the ball is in the air he's useless!

4 minutes ago, Davesta said:

I mean, a year ago today we were crying how we never spend a top 1-2 round pick on a cornerback. Brandon Carr is decent, not great. Plus he's 30. Jimmy smith can't finish a season. As great as tavon played, he's still a 5'8 nickel corner. I get the pick. I have a feeling Derek Barnett and hasson reddick was our 2 main defensive targets. But they got snatched up. I can live with this. Hopefully the draft falls in our favor and we grab a WR, pass rush, and OL with our 3 day 2 picks.  

 

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Why did he choose a corner that is more suited to SS? thats my issue. Why didn't he trade back? He overrated Marlon tremendously, they see something that isnt there. He will struggle.. if this was marshon lattimore or even a sidney jones i'd understand the pick, they are playmakers and fluid . HUmphreys really struggles with ball location and playing the ball in general. That isn't something you can ''teach'' you either have it or you dont. 

 

Ozzie really needs to go IMO.

17 minutes ago, Maryland said:

In the presser, Oz alludes to the fact that he expected Foster and Allen to be available at pick #16. It suggests that teams knew those players were going to tumble. Our FO was not the only one bearish on their potential, as is quite apparent. 

 

Anyway, I'm fine with the Humphrey pick; the value was adequate. Doesn't fill the biggest immediate need, but it would have been a position we needed to address in the future, considering Carr is turning 31 and has been in decline the past couple seasons. I would rather have had OJ Howard or traded down, but I'm glad we dodged Foster and Cam Robinson. Here's hoping he develops into a solid outside corner. 

 

dont think you've escaped cam robinson yet..

 

ozzie isn't done in destroying us..yet..

9 minutes ago, RaineV1 said:

The fact that he has the same weaknesses as Jimmy coming out of college means we can probably fix them even faster.

What i dont understand about our scouting dept or our FO belief system is that we seemingly have no interest in players that play the ball, specifically corners. We seem to be more interested in guys whos strengths are at the line rather than deep on the outside where big plays occur.

I see no reason for the FO to have Humphrey ahead of t.white unless it's because of ozzies hatred of LSU. T.white is so much more polished and is a playmaker. the only think humphrey does better is break up screens. We have enough guys for that :/

1 minute ago, Jacquouille said:

His weakness are basically what Jimmy corrected last offseason, with the «tennis ball drill».

 

 

WEAKNESSES

 Impatient from press coverage. Opens inside or outside too early rather than waiting for a clear declare from receiver. Struggles to stay in phase throughout the route and allows separation opportunities. Feet are fast but sloppy. Footwork becomes bulky and balance diminishes when matched against quality route workers. Plays a scrambling style of coverage that is too reliant upon his athletic gifts. Issues playing the deep ball are a concern. From off coverage, overreacts to route fakes and opens the door to a big play. Allowed more than 19 yards per completion as a starter. Can be slow to locate the ball and finds himself out of optimal position to play the ball.

DRAFT PROJECTION

 Round 1

SOURCES TELL US

 "There are some things on tape that really worry you. If he has trouble playing the long ball it is going to be bombs away against him and his team might have to change how they cover because of that. Those issues usually don't go away." -- Scouting director for AFC team

NFL COMPARISON

 Jimmy Smith

BOTTOM LINE

 Talented height-weight-speed prospect who comes from NFL bloodlines. Might need time for his technique to catch up with his traits. Coverage inconsistencies could cause him to struggle against quality competition early on, but his mental makeup and recovery talent should help him pull through. Has the instincts and run-support skills to become an early starter for a zone-cover defense, but it will be hard for teams looking for a lockdown, man corner to pass on all of those physical gifts early in the draft.

 

 

Basically, expect him to be giving up big plays unless we play him in a more limited or specialized role with saftey help.