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25 minutes ago, The Beak said:

I'm not completely sold on M Williams , yes the measurable are there, but not sure on his route running or desire , I think defense should be focus in first round,
There are really good WR to be had in 2nd and 3rd round

The reason you would take a guy like Mwilliams is because of his measurables, you cant teach that.   His route running isn't horrific or anything.  Where ever he goes, he will be a difference maker. 

1 hour ago, PurpleHorseman said:

You said it well. Not likely to be traded for. But Collins is my pick to be recognized as a top 5 offensive lineman in the NFL and maybe even best overall. As for Garrett I wouldn't trade 3 round1 picks. But some team may trade their draft. You don't get players that caliber in free agency.until 10 yrs in the league and no longer that caliber athlete. Not sure I would trade every pick of draft for Garrett??

I was using Garret as an example as I would have a hard time giving up so much for a player that's not a QB.  Trading for a player that's 2 years away from contract expiration is risky, especially considering we didn't resign the last two Ts to become FA.  We might get two years, but id be willing to bet he would test the market as we don't normally pay big contracts, as recent evidence and as normal we would get outbid. 

I understand your premise, I just think that's not a very good move for our franchise, but to each their own. 

42 minutes ago, PurpleHorseman said:

I know it's not likely to happen but negs is not changing my mind. Now if there was honesty and credibility on this board I may reconsider. But fans who negged the idea of Upshaw and Elam a bust. One of several bad crazy biased thoughts on this forum. Need I go further and say some different things that were almost unanimous this board yet wrong?

Honesty and credibility is on this board, just have to chose who to believe.  If I was a brick wall, id probably give credibility to RayRay.  Certain posters over time show their knowledge, regardless if you like them or not.  Perfect example is RmcJacket, he uses facts when he makes an argument, so its easy to prove what he says is a fact and not opinion. 

I think its more wishful thinking on your part just wanting said player, I just don't see getting a good return giving up our 16th pick.  But when doing a mock, shouldn't you be more realistic?  I mean its your mock and all, do what ya want.  But that would be like me doing a mock giving up our next three 1s to get Garret, its not impossible that would never happen, just highly unlikely....

8 minutes ago, redrum52 said:

I just realized rapist wasn't a filtered word but butt is offensive...

 

I didn't say butt..

I didn't say butt either....that changed quickly

1 minute ago, LosT_in_TranSlatioN said:

He's kind of a crappy person

Is that because hes a rapist or just an butt?

12 minutes ago, LosT_in_TranSlatioN said:

Having a guy who makes everyone around him better Is a rarity. There are few players in NBA history that have that ability. I'd argue that a Chris Paul and Lebron have that ability. 

Its why everyone was going crazy for Lonzo ball before his dad ruined everything.

So I agree that Westbrook doesn't make everyone better. But I do think if he had a Paul George type he'd make his life easier.

Valid points. 

4 minutes ago, redrum52 said:

So you're not a Kobe fan?

Respect the hell out of him, great talent.  But no, not a fan. 

Billions -  such a damn good show, easily one of my favorites

Homeland -

Overall, this was easily the worst season.  The finale did not help redeem the lack of action, suspense, etc outside of 2 episodes.  This shows first 3 seasons were so on point, so great, and now we have this.  Its lost its appeal to me, but sadly ill stick with it, I honestly don't want to though. 

32 minutes ago, LosT_in_TranSlatioN said:

Kobe never had to go against a team that set the NBA wins record or never had to go against a team with a guy who's equally as unstoppable as Westbrook in Lebron, with a guy like him. Comparing the two is unfair. I'd take KD as well, but Westbrook is straight up unstoppable when he turns it on. That was evident several years ago vs. the Heat in the finals. It was a complete team failure to blow a 3-1 lead, just like when the Warriors did it.  I think its a perfect comparison, for the fact that you say Kobe didn't have to face great teams and still no one wanted to come play with him.  OKC had a 3-1 lead and lost, instead of wanting to comeback and do it again, he just bounced (not hating on the decision, I loved it).  Basketball is a very team first sport, if you want to win championships, if you want to kill the stat sheet your going to get Westbrook.  Lebron is so good because he makes everyone around him better, I don't think Westbrook does at all. 

 

I think that Curry's playstyle meshes better with Durant, but I don't really think that's the driving factor as to why he left. The Warriors had significantly more intrigue by having probably the two best pure shooters in the game with the second best defensive player and some good depth pieces. I still think Steph is over-rated, such a beautiful shooter

Exactly this. Russ has had his moments of pure crap in the clutch, but Kevin Durant was a big factor as to why the Thunder blew a 3-1 lead last season. He didn't show up for the final few games. Meanwhile, until games 6 and 7 of that series Westbrook was very good. Both have a tendency to play hero ball, and that costed them big time.  I agree, that teams style of play helps drastically make them more efficient

If I don't get the love for anyone it's Harden. He doesn't try on defense, and I'm sure he leads the nba in total turnovers right now, and yet the media loves him for some reason. So much so that some pundits claim that he's better than a prime kobe or wade, when both would eat him alive. Furthermore, Harden has proven to shrink moreso than his two former OKC counterparts in big moments, in fact he dissapears entirely(remember the finals when he laid an egg?).Completely agree.  Would of been interesting to see what it would of been like if OKC kept Harden, seeing those three play together would of been interesting.  I agreed with moving Harden though, keeping Iblocka around.

Sorry. Westbrook had an all time great season. He deserves the MVP because he's the only reason they made the playoffs. Harden has a significantly better team around him with people who are very good scorers/shooters(Anderson, Gordon, Williams). It's basically all Westbrook in OKC. That's why he's getting the love.   I guess I cant really disagree with him getting the MVP, but I think the triple-double is just a stat thing, doesn't explain much imo.  I believe MJ had a total of 17 triple-doubles in his 6 years that he won a championship, Pippen had 34 I think, ish.  I would much rather have a guy average around 32pts/15 assists/3 rebounds than the 32/10/10 that hes averaging now

Oh, and the second player in NBA history to average a triple double, and when you factor in pacing you could actually make a legit argument that it was a better season than Robertson's. See above

Personally though, I wouldn't be surprised if Leonard wins it either given the season he's having. Leonard wont win because his stat sheet isn't impressive as Harden or Westrbooks, but he would be my choice because of what he brings to the defense side of the ball. 

Its just preference, goes back to how I used to play ball. 

Different strokes, different folks.

3 minutes ago, Ed_Reed20 said:

Westbrook's style definitely influenced the decision but let's not pretend KD is flawless. He's shrunk in big moments enough times while Russ stayed in attack mode. This was happening as early as the Finals against the Heat. No superstar may want to play with Russ but his playing style isn't the sole reason. What's there to do in OKC and how many building blocks are there to compete with the best in the West? Very little. 

Oh I agree, imo though, Durant will be the best player Westbrook ever played with.  OKC sucks, been there many times and I always thought Durant would actually stay there, just seems like a place that fit him well.  I would take KD before Westbrook any day.  Also, not too many players wanted to play with Kobe and he lived in LA, plenty of stuff to do.  To each their own

10 minutes ago, Ed_Reed20 said:

Fair enough. Him and Harden are obviously ball-dominant volume scorers and yes, it can be tough to win with those kinds of superstars but neither has nearly enough talent around them to truly compete with GS. They have to do everything offensively and with that comes inefficiency and turnovers. 

Westbrook had Durant, I believe the way he plays pushed Durant out and that's why I don't think anyone will ever want to go play with him. 

9 minutes ago, January J said:

I'm not real savvy as far as scouting guys and what not but I definitely know these two guys are on our radar.  I think that Decosta might believe we can trade back into the early 20s and still land Tak too. Would be a gamble but genius if it worked. Plus either way there will be nice alternative options there if it didnt... Feeney- Conley - Wilson- Harris- White- Williams. Could even trade back twice and then take Watt and wreak absolute havoc in the 2nd & third. A lot of depth and talent in those rounds. We could take Pocic, Zay / Kupp, Moton,  And still get a top graded corner and have our pick of the litter. That would give us a potential 6 picks in the first 3 rounds. And don't forget about the now early third we got from moving jernigan. We can do some real damage if we play it right. We currently have ALOT of roster spots to fill too so I think we will be doing a lot of moving around-  back and forth.

If Barnett and Mwilliams are both off the board, im ok with trading back, a couple of times as well honestly.  Watt is a guy id love to have

7 minutes ago, Ed_Reed20 said:

Penn State WR Chris Godwin

Then you might like a mock draft on Roto that I just found, ironically has both the WRs we just posted.  Has Godwin in the second for us, that about around his stock price?

http://www.rotoworld.com/articles/nfl/70855/71/draft-analysis

5 minutes ago, Ed_Reed20 said:

Why? 

The guy is an unbelievable talent, don't get me wrong, but he is going to have around 400 shots I believe the next person.  Him and Harden both have set records for turnovers this year, and Westbrook shoots 42%  I am not going to say he is over-rated (that's Steph imo), and I wont deny that he is the only reason OKC is going to make the playoffs.  I just have never been a fan of players like him, maybe its because of how I played ball. 

@Ed_Reed20 Who? I am at work and cant see youtube links.  Damn government

2 hours ago, Willbacker said:

Remember Chad Williams the safety we used to have?

Yea, didn't he play around 4 seasons for us?

20 minutes ago, January J said:

I think Barnett is at the top of our list of players ( that atleast have a possibility of dropping to 16) unfortunately I dont think he will make it. I'm almost positive that it will come down to these 6 players one way or the other:

Derek Barnett- Corey Davis- Mike Williams- Reuban Foster- Haasan Reddick - Tak  McKinley

Ofcourse anything can happen and a guy like Lattimore or Humphrey could be there but I doubt it.

Whats your opinion on Reddick and McKinley?  I don't know much about those guys.

I like this kid as a late round guy, raw obviously

http://www.nfl.com/draft/2017/profiles/chad-williams?id=2558208

13 minutes ago, PurpleHorseman said:

Barnett is one player I don't want.  Suggs was a surprise to only run 4.8. He played far faster than that. Everybody is expecting Barnett to run in the 4.8-4.9 range. I would prefer Corey Davis to Mike Williams.

Yea i know you dont like Barnett, I just have a feeling he is our guy, but most likely he will be gone. 

1 minute ago, hn68wb4 said:

Depends entirely on how the board has fallen to that point, jumping up to #11 shouldn't be too unbelievably steep, but if the other 4 guys left are also highly rated players at that point then I think the chances of us moving up are slight. But if the difference is pretty big then he's the type of player that I'd move up for in a heartbeat. The fact that it's a deep class doesn't bode well for a move up in my opinion, however.

Valid point.

3 minutes ago, hn68wb4 said:

I hope so, but as I said, I still expect him to go top 10 so I think we'd have to move up to get him - and I wouldn't be entirely surprised if we did honestly, moving 25 spots in the third is a significant jump in value and of course we've get the other 3rd as well, we've definitely got the ammo to do it, I question whether it fits our draft strategy, but it's definitely possible.

What do you think it would cost to do it?  And if the FO think he can be our next Suggs for 10 years, i think a trade-up is worth it, within reason.  It would be nice to see us trade up to get a guy we really want, rather than always trading back.  Lets say we have 5 guys left on the board and Barnett is at the top of our list and is there at 11....I would jump on it.  Most would say you can get better 'value' by waiting and get a player still on your board at our pick, i would just rather take the guy want overall. 

Has the Ravens ever in the 20+ years traded their first round pick for a player? Im not being sarcastic, actually asking.  Im not exactly a fan of this draft.  In a defensive loaded drafted i would rather (i think the FO would as well) grab a younger player at a cheaper cost, which any player we select would be just that.  When doing a mock i think its important to put players that are off the board, it gives context to the players you selected (at least in the first, doing that for the whole draft would be obviously too time consuming).

47 minutes ago, rossihunter2 said:

I think there are some media guys who just don't like him for some reason - lance zierlein has him number 19 on his board with taco charlton at number 11 for example... I don't agree with that but I imagine that's why he's slipping in the media...

5 minutes ago, hn68wb4 said:

He's just one of those guys that isn't a freak athlete and doesn't pop out in these pre-draft tests, those that do tend to rise and people invent problems for guys like Barnett that don't do exceedingly well. He's one of those cases where the tape speaks way louder than these mostly useless tests. Personally he's still my #2 EDGE guy in the draft behind Garrett and don't expect that to change. I expect him to go top 10 still regardless of what the "experts" say, if he falls out of the top 10 then anyone that grabs him is getting a steal.

I think he is who we are targeting as the replacement for Suggs.  Suggs didnt do too well at the combine but i think most would agree that he has worked out pretty well.  I see Barnett being the same case. 

Im convinced our target is Barnett to replace Suggs.  His numbers at the combine werent very impressive, but neither were Suggs.  Barnett or Mike Williams....im pretty happy

Im so sick of hearing all this westbrook love. 

2 hours ago, rmw10 said:

It's... interesting lol.  It's hilarious but so over the top at the same time.

ah, ill prolly just pass on that one.  I started watching Patriot on amazon, very....interesting.