6 hours ago, redrum52 said:Was just watching the coach film because I wanted to key in in Jimmy. As I got to the 4th I realized I didn't think I had seen any plays made on the slot guy. Young did an incredible job in the and I realized when Jimmy is man against his guys, qbs don't even seem to look his way most the time.
This.
I just did a piece on Young:
http://russellstreetreport.com/2016/09/22/filmstudy/tavon-young-vs-browns/
It's got the results in tabular form which make it really easy to follow with Game Pass (<15 min).
There are reasons to replace Zuttah now, but I don't think it's imminent. He scored as failing (high F) for me vs the Bills, but recovered to a C versus a tough opponent, Danny Shelton in week 2. Based on Urschel's play last year at center I definitely wouldn't see a reason to switch Urschel in at C right now. Jensen might be a better option against bigger opponents, but again, I think we're weeks away.
As to Lewis, you're watching a different game than me if you really think he's played poorly. He's been challenged, but graded a C both weeks and I think it's clear he has earned extended leash by his play. Do you folks remember who this team has had as replacements at guard in past years: Gurode, Reid, Harewood, Shipley. THOSE were bad guards. Even Jensen, who showed flashes vs. Pitt last season, played worse at guard last year than Lewis has this year, and it's not close.
My articles on RSR are specific about scoring for blocking, but I also started doing a podcast this season on OL grading which you can find here. It's at a 1,000 foot level and the segment on Alex Lewis is between 12:30 and 15:00 and has a significant component related to his mobility.
https://audioboom.com/boos/5073794-locked-on-ravens-9-20-16-ken-mckusick-offensive-grades?t=0
6 hours ago, Ravensfan23 said:
The short passing offense is how teams will try and beat the pressure. But if the pressure continues to come from the interior it'll still be punishing for QBs. Doom coming back healthy could really spell trouble for offenses. However I still saw too many missed tackled in the Browns games. Stopping the run and forcing long 3rd downs only works when you can make the tackles to get them off the field.
This.
But I do like the fact that Williams/Pierce/Guy have got the Ravens to 3rd down. And the issue on 3rd down can be addressed (don't read this as "fixed") with a healthy Dumervil and commitment to the dime.
6 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:He's been arguably the best blocking tight end, but not sure he's gotten a target.
0 targets on 32 snaps in 2 games per the Gamebook snap count methodology.
TEs have 196 snaps on 146 plays (same basis), or 1.34 TE snaps per play. That excludes Juice.
The TEs should be fresh, because there is serious competition for snaps. Pitta's 9 receptions on Sunday came on just 45 snaps.
29 minutes ago, rmw10 said:@Filmstudy curious to get your thoughts since you obviously watch every single play.
Does it seem that a big part of the defense this year is allowing Jernigan to get his 1 on 1 matchups? He's still getting penetration even when he is 2 gapping, but it seems to be that they have other guys around him eating the blocks, allowing him to knife through and make the play. Definitely looks to me that we're using a variety of different defensive philosophies and tendencies this year.
He's the centerpiece of the pass rush who they frequently use as the only down lineman in a 6-man front on obvious passing downs. By feel, I'd say Jernigan has been greenlit most of the pass snaps. Versus the Bills, the Ravens used extremely disciplined rush lanes on the inside, almost 2-gapping into the pocket. to contain Taylor. That created slower compression, but was effective nonetheless, because Tyrod was uncomfortable with the containment.
Versus the Browns, the Ravens didn't concern themselves with McCown running and left Pierce, Jernigan, and the edge rushers free to rush without constraint that I can see.
With what happened to McCown, I think this is a reasonable blueprint against pocket passers. The Browns OL isn't bad and the Ravens beat their starting QB to a pulp with pressure. If I were an OC trying to protect a pocket passer with a mediocre line, I know I'd game plan to reduce the number of knockdowns, even if I had to give up some big plays to do so.
Pierce was indeed dominant. Here is what I wrote in my defensive article:
I scored Michael Pierce (18 snaps) for 3 pressure events. He overpowered Joel Bitonio to the outside for his first career sack (Q4, 9:33). He had the first hit on McCown (Q1, 12:30) when he beat Cam Erving and rolled McCown over traffic behind him for one of the hardest QHs you’ll ever see. I was amazed McCown got up from it, but he would endure 7 more knockdowns, most of which were almost as punishing. In a game where the Ravens allowed 6.6 yards per snap as a team, they allowed just 1.7 YPP with Pierce in the game and 8.7 YPP without him. An illuminating coming-of-age moment came on the final drive when Pierce was inserted for the first 2 plays. In that situation, you expect someone who can make a pass rush contribution to be in, which is not normally a NT. In addition, to that point Pierce had never played a snap without Brandon Williams lined up next to him.
On 9/19/2016 at 5:49 PM, ellicottraven said:Anybody else wondering why Correa hasn't progressed enough for snaps on the defense? Is it because there are better players out there or because he isn't up to speed on the defense and is probably overwhelmed and overthinks on D? Either way, it is something to watch out for especially considering the plight of Arthur Brown.
I'm not worried about Correa in a Brownian sense just yet. Brown was inactive for 12 of 16 games in 2014 and was active for only 34 of 48 RS games during his tenure.
Correa is active and playing ST snaps. He's played reasonably well in PS, but had the misfortune to be outplayed by another rookie OLB, Matt Judon. Kamalei's first chance will probably come due to injury, but I expect he'll have a significantly more impactful defensive career that Arthur Brown.
23 hours ago, Maryland said:In general, our pass-rushers need to finish their pressures by getting sacks. I know not every pressure can be a sack, but it seems like it's happening too often that a guy gets all over the QB without actually getting the sack, and then the QB gets a pass off (in each game so far, at least 1 very deep pass completion off a slipped sack).
I would like to see Trestman run a higher percentage of plays under center. There was one situation in particular where snapping the ball under center for a play-action pass would have been perfect. It was on our final set of downs before settling for the the field goal instead of a game-ending TD. After getting some successful runs on their defense and being in an obvious run situation, a play-action pass would have been perfect on first down, since everyone expects another run. Instead, Trestman predictably ran out of the shotgun for no gain.
Situational football needs to be improved. Forsett needs to stay in-bounds on our final drive of the game to take the clock down to the 2-min warning (or force a timeout). Wright needs to protect the sideline when playing prevent defense--that missed tackle was just inexcusable. I questioned eschewing the field goal early in the game for a failed 4th down attempt. I never like the idea of doing this from the 30-ish yard line, since, even if you convert the down, it's hardly a sure-thing you score a TD anyway (there's still a lot of yards to go). It was way too early in the game to be chasing points; a field goal makes it a 2-possession game. But I know to expect this from Harbaugh--that's his MO, and I'm ok with it. It seems to work more in his favor than against.
I find it unlikely that Correa is a worse pass-rusher than Albert McClellan. McClellan is average at best at getting pressure, but Pees had him out there for every snap (I think) on the Browns' final drive. It's almost like they're sitting Correa just on principle. Surely we have a better edge-rusher than McClellan. Even Carter is probably better.
As an Orioles fan, watching Wright play CB reminds me of watching Ubaldo pitch--he's either really good or really bad.
Outstanding points, Maryland. I agree with every one.
Regarding McClellan, Pees has expanded his 2-down edge setting role to a large number of 3rd downs (he played 44 of 59 snaps). Albert is a liability whether rushing the passer or dropping to coverage as he did 10 times (those were not all on 3rd down, but they were all pass plays).
The big missing ingredient versus the Browns was the dime. Why practice it, have Levine play so well, then fail to use it against a team that is targeting your LBs in coverage? Levine in for Orr in the dime would have been a big benefit and if the Ravens "defensive versatility" mantra from preseason was true, Orr could stay in at OLB for McClellan. If you want to read more of my complaints about the 3rd/4th down defensive performance, my notes are here:
http://russellstreetreport.com/2016/09/19/filmstudy/defensive-notes-vs-browns-week-2-2016/
A couple of highlights:
22 hours ago, Maryland said:I don't see why everyone is talking about Urschel or Jensen as the magical solution to Zuttah. Are we forgetting how badly Jensen was getting pushed back on some plays in preseason? He's probably not going to be much better than Zuttah, if he's better at all. Urschel is probably seen as a backup guard and 3rd-string center behind Jensen, looking at the preseason snaps.
Jensen looked bad in game 2, but recovered to play near perfect ball in the last 2 preseason games. I'm not saying that's enough of a reason for him to replace Zuttah after Jeremy's game improved to OK (a C as I score it) vs. the Browns.
I am concerned with the number of missed blocks. Centers never accumulate many, which is one of the reasons why I need separate grading scales by position. He's led the team in missed blocks in each of the first 2 weeks (7 each game) and the reasons are varied (misses in L2, pushed into backfield on runs, failing to make screen blocks, failing to get to a block in time, etc.).
4 minutes ago, sibelius said:After one game I think it's safe to say Yanda is washed up. Honestly, after four games I think we should slot Waller in at RG because reasons.
LOL.
Now you're talking. The Ravens can't wait for Boyle to come back in week 11 or it could have been his opportunity.
6 hours ago, The Raven said:I follow a bunch of OL coaches and scouts on Twitter, and the consensus I see is that the OL talent level as a whole is down. That could be part of it.
I agree that PFF is spot on with OL grades, typically. I think they do grade things differently from Filmstudy. I probably see thing differently too. I think Yanda had a fairly poor game in pass protection but was probably our best run blocker. So I weigh that into my evaluation.
I also think the holding call was BS. His hands were inside the shoulder pads and he wasn't just grabbing cloth.
I thought the holding call was ticky tack, but he was trying to hold and drew a quick flag. You can tell from his body language that he knew it, no dispute.
I want to say for the record I highly endorse PFF. They have a terrific product and they have greatly shortened the amount of time it takes to recognize outstanding offensive line play with the relativity metrics they offer.
I'd say 95% of the time PFF and I (broadly) agree on grading, but we have definitional differences:
1) I put more weight on pass blocking, since those plays have significantly more leverage (impact on win/loss probability). The worst score you can get for a run block is -2, but it's -6 for a sack allowed. PFF scores a -2 to +2 for each play, but keeps separate pass and run blocking scores, which is good. That breaks down when combining into a single score.
2) I divide out all events to fractional responsibility. So if there was 1 sack allowed, I can give 2 players 1/6 and 1 player 2/3, but the fractions have to sum to 1. Unless they have changed their methods in the last 2 seasons, PFF will charge 2 players with a full sack allowed on the same play. Both systems have their merits and I'll often reference that when 2 tackles on opposite sides allow their assignments to reach the QB simultaneously.
3) I charge a lineman for a batted pass by his assignment. Some of those can be avoided by keeping the opponent engaged, so I think it's the better method. PFF doesn't charge a lineman for that.
4) PFF is more lenient with proximity pressure, but I'm tight when a lineman stays square with his assignment, but gets backed up into the area the QB needs to step into his throw. Over the years, I've been in contact with the PFF folks 1-2 times per season and they are absolutely great about taking the time to respond to reasoning for scoring on plays. These proximity pressures are usually a component of differences.
5) My charges for penalties are, effectively, higher than theirs. I charge -3 for every 5 yards, which means a single holding call will drop a tackle a full grade level and a center by about 1.5 grade levels. I've been thinking about reducing the charge for penalties to -2 per 5 yards, which would mean a hold is -4 relative to -6 for a sack (seems more reasonable), but have not done so yet. Because PFF uses a cumulative scoring system, it's more difficult to see the impact of penalties and there is a quote in the "best players at each position" article that minimizes the importance of Yanda's 2 fouls Sunday.
The other game I can recall where PFF and I had a big difference was Osemele's first game at guard vs. the Colts in the 2012 WC game. He had an outstanding set of run blocks in that game for which I gave extra credit and it was one of only 3 A+ grades I gave all season (requires adjusted 1.00 points/play). When I originally looked at PFF's scoring they had him scored negatively.
In the case of the Ravens, I think it's both fun and useful to make your own judgments about the players on a block-by-block basis. But even if you have the time to do that, there is no substitute for the relativity framework offered by PFF for the rest of the league.
Notice on the Wallace TD freeze, the Ravens have kept in 2 eligibles to block (3 man pattern), but the Bills rushed just 3.
The Bills are left with 4 covering 0 underneath.
As I scored it, the Bills were able to generate pressure 5 of the 8 times they rushed only 3. It's a good thing this wasn't one of them!
5 hours ago, 3-4ravdef509 said:
My observations? There were some classic Joe Flacco moments and throws. What wasn't there was a willingness to throw to tightly covered receivers. Joe's always been one to try and thread the needle, sometimes too often. In Sundays game he did a great job at identifying the open receiver and going through his reads. But when no one was open he didn't take many chances, opting often to throw it away or take the sack.
I'd echo the bolded point. Joe was not well protected, but he made good decisions that were related to the situation. For example, the 2 sacks he took on the last FG drive were both good decisions where he maintained the option to throw as long as possible, because he knew the team would be in FG position.
I've got some notes/analysis of his time and space in the pocket here:
http://russellstreetreport.com/2016/09/13/filmstudy/offensive-line-grades-notes-buffalo/
The high points:
19 minutes ago, The Raven said:What issues did you see with Yanda? He seemed solid in the run game but struggled more in pass protection. I was at the game and found it difficult to track everything going on. I felt like Wagner was solid in pass pro but left a lot to be desired in the run game.
I'm results based and include time references in the article on the plays with big deductions for transparency. The penalties were the biggest part. The shared sack (Q4, 13:26) is one I'd like you to look at. I charged that half to Yanda and half Wagner. It was a difficult and deep twist handoff of Hughes and Yanda could not hold it. That play was another -3. Other than that, he had 1/3 of a QH surrendered by Lewis to Kevin Williams (1st play, 2nd drive, 2nd quarter).
He also missed 4 blocks, which is higher than normal, including 2 of his 5 pulls.
I'm not concerned yet, but he can and should play much better.
PFF ranked him as the best RG on Sunday. They were watching a different game from me.
On 9/12/2016 at 7:06 PM, January J said:As some of you may know I was the winner of the you pick the 53 contest. I really didn't expect to win and the whole thing was absolutely surreal. I just thought i would share some of the things I got to experience. When people say this is a top notch organization they say it for a reason. They treated me like I was one of their own and made me feel like I was part of the ravens family. First off I would like to thank Dave Lang- the media director who led me through the whole process. This guy was really cool and went out of his way to make sure I had a good time. First he brought me and my fiance down on the feild for pregame warmups- as soon as I reach the feild John Harbaugh is directly right in front of me. He was beginning to walk back into the locker room when I quickly walked over and introduced myself. We had a short Convo about the contest, the forsett fiasco- and he joked that I did better than Ryan mink and garret downing at guessing the roster. My girlfriend off to the side video taped the whole conversation lol. Immediately my day was made and it was only just beginning. Dave went to get a photographer to take some pictures of me for twitter while I watched some of the players warm up. I noticed buck allen off to the side not in uniform in street clothes and realized he was inactive. Needless to say he didnt look too happy. Also saw keenan reynolds who gave me a high five. Dean pees walked by looking real timid but to my surprise he actually shook my hand. I then watched Tucker hit a 65 yarder in warmups with about 12 yards to spare. So yeah when he said he could hit from 80+ in denver- he's not Lyin. Off to the side I then saw ed reed and Steve bisciotti chalking it up. Just took a lot of pictures and what not. Didn't really get a chance to get any autographs but I didn't care , my day was already made. ( plus Dave had just given me the flacco autographed jersey) just when I think things can't get any better- Dave pulls me off to the side and pulls something out of his pocket. Its the 2012 Superbowl ring! Not only did he let me see it- he let's me try it on. That thing must have weighed 3 pounds lol. I took a picture with the ring and then headed off the feild. Instead of Dave taking us out the normal exit- he walks us through the tunnel where the ravens run out. After that it was pretty much time for the game to start. We thanked him and then made our way up to the club level seats. We had some of the best seats in the house, after the national anthem when the jets flew over the stadium it was hard not to get a little chill being 9/11 and all. Opening day was underway - and the only thing that could've made this day better was a ravens win. Ofcourse we got the W which was the perfect ending to a perfect day. Im probably gonna get the flacco jersey framed along with the tickets. Ive also got a rackload of sweet puctures and then memories that will last a lifetime. I feel so blessed to have been a part of all this and I had the time of my life. I just want to thank Dave Lang again for everything and the whole Ravens organization for an amazing and surreal experience. Don't mean to rub it in to anybody I just wanted to let y'all know how awesome this franchise is ( as if y'all didn't already know) and to share some of the inside details. Wish I could have brought every single member of the board with me, we're all part of ravens nation and I think were in store for great season. On to Cleveland baby.
Very cool. Congrats on winning the roster contest.
My offensive line grades are posted on RSR if you are interested:
http://russellstreetreport.com/2016/09/13/filmstudy/offensive-line-grades-notes-buffalo/
A below average day for the OL with 4 sacks and 8 QHs (+1 negated by penalty) allowed. Flacco made up for it by being outstanding under pressure.
I'm concerned about Zuttah the pass blocker as well. The entire OL looked bad with 9 QHs (1 was wiped out by RTP, but it still hurt). The eligible receivers also looked like crap as pass blockers. On one hand, the Ryans drew up a lot of blitzes for this game and did a good job of confusing them. On the other, Buffalo doesn't have a top-shelf set of edge rushers, so allowing 4 sacks/8 QHs in 38 drop backs is unacceptable.
Flacco had Ample Time and Space (ATS) on just 13 of 38 drop backs.
We just finished the OL charting/scoring. My article should post tomorrow.
Correa was active for special teams, which was a positive.
Like many NFL players, he'll probably get his first big chance from an injury.
1 hour ago, Deflated Football said:I noticed that. He probably realizes now that he's not entitled to his job anymore.
Pees was quoted as saying he prefers coaching from the sidelines and with Leslie Frazier in the booth, he has a colleague with experience to relay calls.
10 hours ago, redlobster said:Did correa even play?
He did not play on defense, but he did play on special teams (16 snaps), and had decent rush on at least 1 punt.
BTW, my notes on the defense are up now on RSR if you're interested:
http://russellstreetreport.com/2016/09/12/filmstudy/ravens-defense-was-taylor-made/
2 hours ago, rmw10 said:Yeah I wouldn't say it was bad. I think we need more consistency than anything. There were quite a few occasions where there was simply too much time in the pocket. Whenever you play someone like Tyrod, Russell, Cam, etc., you have to expect that they'll be able to extend a few plays with their legs.
I wouldn't call the pass rush bad either. I'd say it was good for that QB, because the rush lanes were disciplined and they kept him in the pocket for the most part. One could legiitmately have issues with how often the Ravens converted their successful rushes.
That said, I do not believe the Ravens can win with this formula against some of the pocket passers in this league. The defense should and will open it up for a faster rush with higher turnover potential.
6 hours ago, sharkh20 said:The Good: Player of the day was Wright. What a game. Great pursuit to the ball. Looked fast.
Defense played pretty well minus the non existent pass rush after we took the lead.
All the receivers we have.
The Bad: Pass Rush
The Ugly: Offense looked like "Here we go again" garbage. I don't know how many times you have to do a 0 yard out before you realize it isn't going to work as your number one go to play. Every time we have a 3rd and 4th down play, we do a play under the first down marker. It is like watching an insane person make the same mistakes over and over with Trestman. Meanwhile he is making me look insane yelling at the TV but that is another story. I think he has a rule where he is only allowed to use the middle of the field less that 5 times a game.
Refs seemed to continue their trend of making up new rules to stop Rex Ryan teams. I felt bad for Tyrod all last year and I would have felt bad for him again this game if it wasn't against the Ravens. He plays well and every time it looks like his team has turned the momentum, I see a flag for calls I didn't even know existed. Bailed us out multiple times and tried their best to give us points.
Good stuff. It was a very controlled pass rush, but they have to get home more (and convert) when they have that much time to rush.
2 hours ago, Maryland said:I feel like I shouldn't have to do this, but I have to give the coaching staff credit for making him active and actually using him in the first game of the season. You wouldn't see some conservative coaching staffs play a rookie UDFA on week 1 just on principle (John Fox and retired Tom Coughlin come to mind).
Not only did they activate him, but he played 14 snaps. All of those were with Williams and the Bills gave up on running the ball in the middle of the field with them in.
It's funny, Solomon Wilcotts said the McCoy touchdown was run behind Richie Incognito. It was run outside LT (away from Pierce/Williams), so it had about as much to do with Incognito as el Nino.
Definitely things to like, but the Bills are damaged goods. Both starting tackles lost by halftime.
The Ravens will likely get a good contribution from their defense, but the blueprint of this game isn't one I think will work against the bulk of the league.
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There was a cool "coming out" party for Pierce on the Browns final drive.
He played the first 2 snaps, which is very ususual for 2 reasons:
1. You virtually never would see a NT inserted in such a situation, because pass rush contribution is paramount.
2. Those were the first NFL snaps he has ever played without Brandon Williams lined up next to him.
Other options to maintain 4-man front included BWill himself, a rested Brent Urban, Guy (who did play the last 4 snaps), or any of the OLBs moved inside. pees chose Pierce.
That is statement usage.