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I smell a trade next year.

Also, What do you envision the TE order to be eventually?

its lack of talent combined with below average coaching.

I agree. Perfect analysis.

I'm already looking at next year and have at least 10 Ravens players who will not be with the team next year.

 

Retired:

 

Dennis Pitta

 

Waived or traded:

 

 

Marlon Brown

Chris Canty

Matt Schaub

Joseph Morgan

Allen Reisner

 

These coaches will also be fired.

 

Dean Pees and almost the entire defensive coaching staff.

 

 

 

Fixed

You know there is a thing called the cap right? And if you think Monroe is a liability then you aren't going to like Hurst

 

... but Monroe is a liability.

Would have paid McPhee and drafted Quintin Rollins and Stephon Diggs. They both were available when the Ravens were on the clock.

Cut Webb, Marlon, Arthur brown, kendrick

TRADE a TE

Resign juice

Juice is a bum.

You don't need a leader. You need OLB, CB, and S talent. After you have the talent, the leadership will sort itself out. Ray Lewis is wrong.

I was a big advocate of Camp when I wrote scouting reports for receivers last year and was really happy with the Ravens trading a pick just to draft him.

I don't have anything against Camp, but WHAT other than being a feel good story makes you think he's so special?

He's not special as in super talent in one area (like speed, size, power, skill). What makes him special is that he has a sizable amount of it all, save for size). The little guy is quite strong, as a former RB, he is tough minded and can cut on a dime. He is quick, but deliberate. He is sudden and faster than average. He has an excellent repitiore of skills that many players do not have in a combo. If the guy had three more inches, he would be a killer.

If healthy, there is no reason why he can't be our Edelman.

They BOTH demanded a double team allowing others to get sacks. I just read that 11 different defenders have registered a sack this season. That's directly contributed to the double teams that Dumervil attracts.

Is there a Stat for coverage sacks? Because that's what the Ravens get.

... so he might be a better Swiss army knife than Campanaro too. We'll soon see.

I can't agree with that line. Campanaro is special; he just can't stay healthy.

how much did the Babin rental cost us?

The playoffs.

Cutting Babin is a joke. This is a pathetic attempt take your anger and fustration out and personify it on an expandable guy because your team sucks. The pathetic collapse in the 2nd half against the Browns isn't his fault. The season is done anyways, no need to shake up the roster.

He also looked good to me out there and he was great depth.

You are right and wrong at the same time. Babin's foul up certainty did contribute utensils in a major way to the loss. Second, cutting him sends a real message that mental lapses cannot be tolerated. I am sure the whole coaching staff was angered at the stupid penalties from Babin that cost the Ravens an INT and a Cleveland score.

Taliaferro is just a guy. The Ravens need slippery, quick skill players.

I think Bob Rogucki is a major part of the problem. I think his strength and conditioning program emphasizes raw strength and bulk over functional strength. I think he's the main culprit as to why Ravens players start here and in each progressive year they slow down as they bulk up.

The Ravens look to change the full physique of the player as opposed to enhancing the players natural strengths. This can have a negative effect on performance as much as it can be positive IMHO.

That was a good article.

I reserve judgement for a year without Kubiak.

First issue here is the ravens will have a need at LB before another 3 yrs. Darryl Smith is 33 and already has lost a half step that's evident in his range and coverage skill!! He gets by due to his smarts and sound tackling technique. Like other LBs learned its hard to continue to excel once they start losing half steps every year. Just ask Urlacher and Lance Briggs he will be a liability in the ravens defense eventually!! When a LB or cornerback begins relying on smarts they won't be playing up to their standard much longer in the nfl. Edge rushers can actually counter losing a half step with skill and technique. But a standard LB not quite so much. I'm actually questioning if he has another pro bowl caliber year left next year. Especially when there are 2 great replacements available this off season at bargain rates!!

The first lb the ravens should consider is Sean Weatherspoon. He is explosive, plays with good instincts, hits hard and can cover TEs and RBs or patrol a zone as well as many Strong Safety's thanks to his speed,agility and instincts. He is a 3 down LB in the mold of Mosley or Navorro Bowman. And he will be a bargain cuz he is coming off an injury just as Darryl Smith was cheap after coming off an injury. He is however much younger than Daryll Smith. He would easily play even better than before in our defense cuz of our DLine is far more talented and physical than any he has ever played with in Atlanta. He would be free to run hit and cover on our defense like he never had the luxury of before. He and Mosley would form the NFL's best physical 3 down LB tandem.

The other elite physical 3 down defender we could consider is Daryl Washington. Very similar size and skill of CJ Mosley. He can run, slip blocks with a mixture physicality and athleticism, cover and hit hard. He is coming off some off field probs but has worked hard to prove he is more focused and better person. He could be had cheap and is the prototype 3 down LB like Mosley. We have the coaching and locker room to keep him straight and get rewarded with a great player.

Just my opinion but I think ilbs and 4-3 LBs are more needed than ever. The position has been devalued due to the RBs being devalued. However having LBs with safety speed/ athleticism yet still physical makes them more important than before. Slower LBs that get burned in coverage is as bad as LBs that can't tackle shed or play physical. Either way the defense gets burned. You have some coverage LBs that are to soft for a LB then you have LBs like Brandon Spikes and Hightower that can shed tackle and hit but get burned in coverage. Sad thing is most teams are happy with these 2 down run defending physical tacklers whom leave the field on third downs which is totally Rediculous!! IN TODAYS GAME TEAMS DONT WAIT TIL DOWN#3 TO THROW THE BALL!! The better offenses throw on early downs often!! If your 2 down LB is getting torched by RBs and TEs you won't have to worry bout him having to leave the field on down3 cuz The better QBs will smoke your defense and put up points b4 they see a third down!! Especially the better qbs like Brady who get rid of the ball fast to the middle of the field and make fast reads and exploit slow 2 down LBs!! My opinion that's the reason physical yet athletic ilbs that can run with RBs and TEs and patrol a zone and close on the intended WR in a flash like a safety is as important as shutdown corners, edge rushers or ball hawking FS. If Daryl Smith has to leave the field next year on third down then he is a liability especially against the better QBs!! Daryll Smith may still be good enough in coverage next year but if a longterm lb that is not expensive is available this off season to partner up with Mosley the ravens should at least consider it in my opinion.

As for Arthur Brown fans, are hoping his issues were just how well Mosley and Daryll Smith played. If he really does have physicality and tackling issues along with likely technique issues then adding 10-15lbs may not help all that much. It would likely help him but if he is to soft and weak at 230 then he won't be anything to write home about at 245. Physical LBs and hard hitters are more naturally gifted than built in the gym. Adding muscle just makes physical hard hitting LBs and safety's into feared monsters. Players like Mosley Daryll Washington Lavonte David are physical forces and hard strikers at 230 lbs but become terrors that strike literal fear in ball carriers after getting bigger and stronger. The greatest in Ray Lewis when he weighed 225 knocked bigger power RBs backward and threw TEs to the ground like rag dolls and after bulking up to 245 then 255 eventually struck fear in ball carriers to the extent they looked for places to lay down before he got there. But he was already a hard striker who knocked bigger ball carriers backward even before bulking up. Mosley and Daryl Washington at 230 lbs can rock a fullback or TE and fight through blocks. Yet explosive enough to get depth in their drops and destroy Gronkowski's and Julian Nerdelman's that catch or attempt to catch in their zones in the middle of the field cuz they can close as fast as safety's!! Ed Reed could really lay wood at only 205 lbs. Will Hill when he was unfocused with the giants and unconditioned and rarely in the weight room played very physical and took down TEs like ragdolls even though he was on the thin side. Now that he is spending his off season in the weight room and is looking to finally fill his big frame out to 215-223, he is going to really lay some wood cuz he is already a physical tackler. If Arthur Brown isn't the replacement for Daryll Smith the ravens will need his replacement very soon cuz he is 33 and has lost a half step so far.

 

Ahem....abridged version, please........

The FS position is Terrence Brook's position to lose. If he doesn't lose it, then Will Hill will be our starting SS.

 

 

Edit: I forgot that Brook's injury was late in the season. So, I say we run with the core group we have. The priority position will be CB regardless.

Hello all. I just relocated to Dallas. I'm living in Addison. I'm in for a gameday bar meetup.

It's crazy how little's amazing college catch radius didn't transfer to the nfl.... He drops everything...

Tandon Doss too, his hands where stickem glue in college? And in his rookie year preseason....but all of a sudden he was dropping sime passes

Well, the players in the NFL are bigger, faster, stronger - and they hit harder in general because of this fact. That could have a little bit of a factor in why this happens.

steve smith was the best reciever in the league for a couple of years..something neither boldin or mason were. He is also a fitness freak. Great signing but I feel a center is NOW the biggest priority

 

This is simply not correct. Boldin was probably the best in league for two years, and excellent for a third. how soon we forget...

What round he set to go in at the moment? I heard a coupe sites had Carolina getting him to replace Smith down the road?

 

 I think he is the 7th rated WR - however that falls. I see value in the third round.

We need a #2 who could be used as Torrey's doppelganger, both in speed and reliability. A threat that can take a small gain to the house and make the D back up, opening our TE's and Rice to make more plays - Someone like:

In the slot, I totally agree, Edlemen, Welker, Amendola, all these guys are quick, fast WRs that may not burn you down the field 100% of the time but excel in getting separation with their quickness, being a huge benefit on first downs. We need someone with the skills like:

Both these types of players can play all over the field, both in the slot and outside, maybe even the backfield on some plays. This is not saying we should get these guys but get some picks like them. They have a ton of versatility, something The ravens and OZ love in a player.

 

 

Brandin Cook would be our guy. I think the Ravens would target him IF he drops in draft stock.

Lol. No. Take it to the draft forum if you want me to explain why you are wrong.

 

 

I'll bite. I'd like your assessment.