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4 minutes ago, Drew P said:

So was Elam

And all the second round picks we had that were of first round quality.  I would have like a offensive lineman. We could have had a really good O-Line.  Now we have someone who is going to be playing special teams his first year. I think you can't compare Elam to this pick because Elam was the 32nd and this is the 16th.   Last year there were only 31 picks in the first round so. 

Harbaugh is saying he is great special team player.  Great he will be covering kick offs like Jimmy Smith did his rookie year. 

I think it is hard to know who will continue to work as hard as they can once they get the big paycheck.  Most of these guys have grown up poor so if you give them a million dollar + signing bonus for a first round pick how are you going to know if their main concern will be football or partying.  

21 hours ago, EdTheMythicalOne said:

Actually, you do agree with me.

I don't think most guys magically transform into better players once they step on the field. They are either good or not. Now, an adrenaline rush is capable of allowing people to do some amazing things, but it is short lived and a once in a life time thing. A player can't live off of an adrenaline rush.

But in the rare cases where people get amped up for a game it can be a help or a hindrance.

You say sometimes better and sometimes worse. I say it isn't common that a player plays better in live game action that he does anywhere else....so you're agreeing with me. If it only happens SOMETIMES and then part of those time is it also worse, then my point of it not being common remains true.

Watch kickers before the game.  They all can make kick after kick from any distance.  The difference between a guy like Cundiff and a guy like Tucker is ability to perform under pressure.  Why did we draft Boller in the first round?  It was because of his natural ability.  Why was Brady drafted in the 6th round.  Some players play a lot better than their talent and others a lot worse.  

9 hours ago, Moderator 2 said:

Thank a Moderator or Flock member who reported abuse so we could get rid of the post and if needed put the offender on hiatus.  There is a lot that goes on that quietly gets taken care of, one of the reasons new posters are on mod preview.

Many teams that had message boards no longer do, I went and did my own checking Pittsburgh has everything

but a MB, Cincinnati,Cleveland, Buffalo( they had one at the beginning of the 2016 season) Patriots, Jets have a bizarre social hub, Miami has links to fan sites,Indy and Tampa Bay do not have message boards Redskins, Giants, Falcons, Eagles, Jaguars, Cowboys, Texans, Panthers do have message boards but I'm not privy to what goes on behind the scenes or if they will continue, I just went through and clicked the links.

 

BTW @K-Dog that was one I'd my best birthday presents ever -- that win !  My husband just walked by and asked I was reliving happier times lol!

So teams are getting rid of their message boards and NFL viewership was down what ? 15 percent last year? What is the goal down 50 percent? 

The Ravens should really see how well the Orioles reporters on MasnSports cover the Orioles.  It is the first place I look for Orioles news and two writers who provide at least daily articles on the team.  Biscotti has had it easy as the team had been winning in the past. If the team continues to be losers like the last two seasons the casual fans like the ones who post on Facebook will stop attending games.  The season ticket holders who sell some or most of their tickets will stop buying tickets if they can't recoup some of their expense. With the Orioles, the Capitals and Wizards all winning there will be more competition for sports fans dollars.

The Ravens send out a daily email with what is on the site so no reason to visit.  No way I would pay.  This isn't someone's personal site this is the Ravens official message board.  Biscotti has made 100's of millions off the Ravens and my tax dollars already subsidizes the team. If he doesn't want to pay the minimal money it costs to run this forum to promote his business why would I?

How is Kafusi a rising Sophmore? He didn't play a down,

I don't think the posters on here are bullies like the one person poste

5 hours ago, Tank 92 said:

I think your basic reasoning may be correct, but it would seem that the trend of posts by "the same very few people" has been the opposite of what you describe, rather a constant negativity instead of the "golly gee the Ravens are neat" postings. For the past year or two there has been a core of folks that ridicule and bash anyone that dares to show optimism for a struggling player or unit, often labeling such posters as "homers", as if that should be a terrible thing. 

So if your looking for a reason for decreased traffic, IMO the ones that have left, stopped posting or just don't join are turned of by the negativity and pessimism, not the lack of respectful and intelligent conversation of opinions, good or bad. 

 

I tend to see more negativity about the players and the team. It amazes me how people quickly turn on their favorite players once injuries catch up with the player.  There are not many bad football players in the NFL.  Maybe a guy like Cody who was totally out of shape.  But it does bother me when I hear people blasting Webb.  He was great before his injuries. And for a NFL cornerback it doesn't take much drop off from being a great cornerback to a below average one.  When you get burned it is pretty obvious to everyone.

Rough sport.  Guys like Webb great talent who always gave it his all gone after only 8 years.  He will be missed.  

1 hour ago, rossihunter2 said:

there is a thread in ravens talk and a thread in news about lardarius so i dont know what you are talking about

as for the money element, the mods/admins have said multiple times that its not about money which i believe entirely because the monetary costs of this board will be nothing compared to the budget the ravens obviously have for their media arm - i may not agree with them closing the board down on principle, and i feel that passionately, but i will give them their dues that they didnt do this on a whim because it was too hard or too expensive, especially given the revised shut down date

If it isn't about money why shut it down?  The thread about Webb was started after my post.  I would have started one myself but figured it would have been moved.  So I didn't bother.  My guess is with the two straight seasons with a winning record they don't like people on here calling for people with the team to get fired.  

Also so the down votes are you people serious.  Who cares about down votes?this board will be closing in a couple of weeks.  The people I was criticizing don't want you on their site.  They think you are a nuisance.

2 hours ago, Purple Nurple said:

I share this sentiment. I would honestly do a $5 a month deal. 

Really this board is pretty bad.  Webb gets cut and there is t even a post about it.  And if someone did create a post about Webb being cut it would either be locked or merged into another thread.  This board is terribly moderated and that is why it doesn't have more traffic.  Why would you pay five dollars this isn't someone's personal board this is the Ravens official board. The owners gets a free stadium and has made hundreds of millions of dollars off the team.  If he thinks it is too much money to have a board I think it would be better choice to stop attending games and watching them on TV.  

2 years from now the Cap will be 190 million.  I am sure the first couple years are less of a cap hit.  

22 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

The Ravens will retain who they want to retain and if they want to retain Jernigan, they will.

Yeah.  This is probably Suggs last season and the Cap goes up every year. If you don't retain any of your draft picks after their initial contract you are going to be in pretty bad shape.  

2 hours ago, rossihunter2 said:

If they are reliant on ad revenue then I can see it reducing significantly - what's gonna pay for some of those stupid videos they put on the website - think of mink and downing - oh "think of the children" - how will they be clothed and fed without the boards?

but seriously they just realise how much traffic these boards create for them on the actual site... because I certainly don't get my news from here because literally every other outlet and insider is quicker... I don't even have twitter but I still hear about Ravens breaking news from there and the NFL site before here - so I come here for LFW and the boards and that's pretty much it

They seem to have mostly videos now.  Videos with advertisements.  Really don't watch them. I guess they think most Ravens fans can't read or something.  

It seemed to me they never wanted this forum the way that it was run. Shutting down threads. Merging threads that had nothing to do with each other.  To me this is not expected.  I guess the Ravens don't like fans. 

2 hours ago, TorryGundy said:

my biggest problem is even if he is converted to an ILB, he does not have the speed to be a WIll. Mosley is the MIKE now, he struggled a little as the Will when we had Smith playing the Mike. Both struggled with deep drops. Mosley has improved in that regard, but you cant put Correa next to him. We would get eatin up by TE's or WR's and Back flexed in the slot. Or have to rely on sub packages too much. OLB is where he should stay. He can work on his hands and upper body strength. He has a good lower body and good bend. We do have one of the best linebackers coaches around, so if Wink thinks he can play inside or out, im not doubting that. He is not a coach I worry about.

I read that when he played inside linebacker in college he struggled.  

I have seen kickers kick 70 yard field goals through the uprights one after another before the game.  Then in the game they can't kick 40 yard field goal attempts straight. Being a good kicker in the NFL is about handling pressure well. Tucker seems to excel at that. 

On 1/11/2017 at 11:42 AM, atomicfront said:

Here are the cap savings if we cut the player (in millions)...Who do you cut? 

Dummervil 6
Wallace 5.75
Webb 5.5
Wright 2.6 
Zuttah 2.4
Watson 3
Pitta 3.3
Arrington 2.1 
Lewis 1.8
 

Merged into a unrelated thread.  The moderators on this site have to be the worst on the Internet.. 

30 minutes ago, JO_75 said:

Has Steve watched Chiefs games this year to see the impact he has made for them? I get we don't want a Greg Hardy/Ray Rice situation, and all the criticisms of taking a player with a domestic violence. Hill has been doing everything to become a better person and is letting his on the field play do the talking. At what point do you overlook it, or do more homework as the Chiefs say they did. Do we do enough research to say hey, this isn't going to be an issue going forward compared to this is too serious, we aren't drafting him. While I don't want a player with that background on the team and the bad publicity that comes with it, we have to dig deeper to truly understand whether it will come back to haunt us. 

Obviously the Chiefs did their homework in regards to Marcus Peters and Hill, apparently more homework than what we do. It seems we just take someone off the board without doing homework. The Chiefs visited Peters' family as part of their homework. Peters hasn't been a problem for them. Chiefs took 2 big risks that most teams wouldn't and it paid off. Where's our gamble?

Hill wasn't drafted until the fifth round.  Seems like most teams passed on him.  He evidently choked his pregnant girlfriend.  I am glad we passed on him.  The team has standards of behavior you don't believe in that. But you don't own the team so you don't get to make those choices. No research is necessary the team has a policy not to get guys with domestic abuse in their backgrounds. He has it. So he isn't going to be on the Ravens. 

Here are the cap savings if we cut the player (in millions)...Who do you cut? 

Dummervil 6
Wallace 5.75
Webb 5.5
Wright 2.6 
Zuttah 2.4
Watson 3
Pitta 3.3
Arrington 2.1 
Lewis 1.8
 

11 minutes ago, rossihunter2 said:

Monetarily that's not the case though so that makes no sense - you're picking 3 pickups who didn't cost much and ignoring the 2 most expensive and important signings who had a lasting impact on the franchise - so of course he wouldn't mention the other 3 because the first two are compensation enough - and Chris canty was also a good pickup by the way (and inexpensive)

so essentially they got rid of 1 good guy and got 3 good guys back as well as a draft pick - so to go back to your original post - no Steve wouldn't say they screwed it up because 1.) what's the point and more importantly 2.) they nailed it

They nailed an 8-8 season.  Canty 2.6 million, Huff 2 million, and Spars 1.4 million.   That is 6 million right there.  They screwed up.  

5 minutes ago, rossihunter2 said:

- He literally mentioned how we ended up with Daryl smith and doom because of the money we saved by trading boldin - id hardly say that's limited contribhtion

- the other thing which bisciotti also mentioned was how these decisions were made with all the information available and at the time they made sense and were the "right" move - obviously they don't all work out but that's to be expected in a business that deals in humans

- as to the press constantly questioning Steve, it makes sense as this is really their only time all year to talk to him whereas all the other guys are much more available especially in the offseason so I have no problem with badgering bisciotti this one time - and to be fair, without the constant pressurised questions to Steve we might not have had some of the brilliant answers we got even if the questions did feel naggy 

Yeah what if he said we could have kept Boldin if we didn't sign Michael Huff, Marcus Spears and Chris Canty?  Oh wait he wouldn't say that because then he would be admitting they screwed up. 

1 hour ago, trevorsteadman said:

I truly believe Ronnie Stanley was the best player on the board when the team picked at #6. I hated the pick because no one wants to see a LT taken at #6, but seriously everyone that I wanted more was taken. I really think BPA and need lined up perfectly last year at #6, but still wanted Bosa and Ramsey before. 

Why wouldn't you want a Left Tackle at 6?  Most of the good left tackles are taken early in the first.  Hopefully we won't be drafting in the top ten any time soon.  Get one when you get the chance.  Ogden was picked 4th overall, Mckninnie 7th overall, and Eugene Monroe 8th overall. 

2 hours ago, ravensnation5220 said:

Wow Mike Preston is a real Debby downer. Anyone read his article? Super negative. 

He wanted the Ravens to get rid of Ray Lewis about 5 years before he retired.  I wrote him an email at the time about how wrong he was and he never responded.  He is just a paid troll