Tenacious Faulker

Just gong to say it: 1000+ yards and 7 or more TDs for Perriman in his rookie season. Certainly doable, very possible. The scheme: He's going to start the season as the #2 in Trestmans offense. Think of Alshon Jeffery the first season with him in Chicago. As a raw rookie Torrey had 7 TDs under Cam and Brown had the same as a UDFA under Caldwell. Under Trestman Jeffery had 7 and 10 TDs The player: Perriman has the same measureables as Jeffery but is notably faster. He's a better receiver coming out of college than Torrey was coming out of college. Torrey took 4 years of development to catch away from his body with patchy results. Perriman is already catching away from his frame and jumping for catches unlike Torrey despite his ability to go vertical. The competition: Aiken and Brown will be tough to supplant as veterans. They proved they deserve shots. Perriman has to work that much harder for snaps. If he wins out in preseason he'll be a solid #2 with all the snaps that go with it. Camp is a possession receiver and Butler is an all-purpose player and will not factor into the competition. If Perriman live up to his potential, he could become Joe's #1 read by mid-season. Smith Sr. is smaller, slower and not getting younger. Ball drops: Forget the ball drop argument too, fellas. If that was an issue then they would never have signed Steve Smith in 2014. He personally averaged 8-9 a season and had 10 with us in 2014. Torrey average 6.25 over his 4 seassons - 6 as a rookie. Kelvin Benjamin by comparison had 14 drops last year and had 1,008 yds with 9 TDs.

While any logisttican and football fan will tell you that the tow are mutually exclusive notions, Dume said in a Bmore Sun interview, "If I can hit that number (23), that'll mean we'll be in the Super Bowl for sure". He's 10 away from the 100 sack mark. With Suggs on the other side commanding doubles last year it allowed Dumervil to notched 17 for 3rd in the league. Early in 2014, both struggled and Suggs was targeted since he wass a full time player and Dumervil was a rotational pass rusher. Suggs logged 3.5 sacks through week 8 to Dume's 7. The back half Suggs got 8.5 to Sumes 10 and formed the best pass rushing tandem in the NFL. Dumervil's goal of a record 23 sacks fell short by 6 geting blanked in 6 games total including the last 2 of the regular season. At 31, he still has time to make his mark, but it's unlikely that he gets comes in under the radar like last year as teams focused more on T-Sizz. As a fan i think the Ravens could be Super Bowl given the talent on paper today; I also think he still has the ability to getg 23 sacks. Will that ensure a Super Bowl? No. But it gets the team closer by winning the battle in thte trenches.

These will be fun to watch, but there are three for two players milestones that I'd like to see in addition. First is Perriman breaking the rookie TD record held by Torreyand Marlon at 7. But if he's half the receiver we hope then I'd love to finally see a rookie 1000yd receiver on the Ravens roster. The last is Flacco breaking some elite passer milestones (30TDs, 4000 yds and 63% completion rate). Not that it makes him elite as this link says, but just to have that checked off the team bucket list.

It seems like a mistake, but take the secondary injuries out and I think the team is healthiest by far. http://russellstreetreport.com/2015/07/06/ravens-links/ravens-3rd-healthiest-team-past-2-years/ I recall the last SB, the Ravens headed into the playofffs I believe as the healiest team (or maybe 2nd healthiest) in 2012 and there were a few articles about how the team conditioned its players to attain this goal including concussion prevention (shoulder and neck strengthening). While the team loaded up on players at its weak positons (DB, DL, WR, and TE) to fortify its depth, its low attrition rate is deffintely key to its success.

I'm not sure that it's more demanding than any other position especially when you consider running back and inside linebacker taking hits like they do. Corners are more slightly built and while Jimmy is on the larger side of the position, his injuries seem more conditioning related. Webby is small-ish for the NFL and it seem that no amount of conditioning would prepare him for a long and health football career. Still his ACLs and back issues seem more due to conditioning. Jackson (concussion/Knee)...he's small like Webby, Brooks (MCL/PCL)...another knee. Gorrer (MCL/PCL and Groin)...yet another knee. Then you get a hard hitter like Will Hill who's an average size for SS and he's fine. Even Darian Stewart was health for 16 games for the for the frst time ever playing both FS and SS last year. I guess working through this I'm seeing that the DBs need to strengthen the muscles in their lower lower bodies and their knees in particular.

Why are we debating over Waller being a TE?? We're stocked at TE right now - loaded if Pitta can play again. There mught be times Waller lines up to bump and run for a pass over the middle, but I don't see him in the picture at TE unless something really serious happens with the current group. We've gotten by with 3 TE's since 2011. We have 4 is Pitta plays and he's 50/50 at ever playing again (imo). Gillmore is the encumbent and looking Gronk-like in size with athleticism and hands to be at least a poor man's Gronk. Williams was the top TE prospect of the draft. I had my reservations, but if Ozzie Newsome thought he was worth a 2nd round pick (highest Ravens TE selection since Heap), then I got to think that he's worth it - at least as a pass catcher. Boyle is already looking like a beast as an in-line blocker but has flashed some decent hands in pass plays. He's already the size od Gillmore. So where is there room for Waller then? At wide receiver naturally. He could be a TE in a pinch like Marques Colston was at 225, but he was a hybrid for years before making the switch to WR permenantly.

Yeah, but why the secondary? Is it bad luck for this group or something that the coaching has overlooked in talent selection, training or conditioning?

Dumervil not a HOF consideration? ORLY?? He has as good of a shot as Suggs does and Suggs is a lock even if not first ballot. Dume has 10 less sacks than Suggs but came into the league 3 years after him and being just a year younger. He has 4 Pro Bowls, 2 first team All Pros, NFL Pass Rusher of the Year, Sack leader 2009, and had 17 sacks last year with an eye on th record this year. He's on par to at least match Suggs' career production so you can't include one in the HOF without the other. It also needs to be said they that they each have a quite a few seasons of football left in the tank. I could see either/both playing until 35-36. Neither has shown signs of slowing down even after major injuries (Suggs-AchilliesDume-Pectoralis). No way there's any serious consideration as to how they DON'T make it - only pewwrhaps as to WHEN...if they don't start slapping women around. Are they Lawrence Taylor? No, not yet. But their production to this point is close enough. If Suggs managed just 7 sacks for the next 4 years (he's averaged 9) he'd have 2 more career sacks than LT. If Dume averages just 8 for the next 5 years (he averages 10 to date) he'd have 2 less than LT. If they do better than 10 sacks in any given year they'll likely get selected to Pro Bowls and could realistically each still see up to 8 or so in their careers. REMEMBER: Pro Bowl and HOF selections are largely popularity driven contests as much as being stat driven. In a sack driven league, they'll garner enough respect and good will to gain both. I just can't believe there is any real doubt on this topic.

Second in votong for OROY. Why he fell off afterward is beyind me...maybe lost his desire.

Shower Pill...I'll pass and take the shower.

Dominique Foxworth. Solid guy, but always injured and never play well when here. Through in his high cap number and he's ranking toward the top of the worst.

Can't forget Lee Evans. His time here was short, but very real.

As for kickers - Steven Huashcka or Billy Cundiff?

The debate over Flacco may be cooling a bit, but the Perriman dropping passes banter is off the charts. Can;t wait for the sesaosn to begin so we can put that debate rest one way or another. Also, not sure how Suggs and Dumervil ranked 3rd on anyone's list of pass rush duo. They're the best in the NFL witht he most combined sacks in 2014.

I'm not sure how anyone would expect Jernigan to fill Ngata's shoes in any aspect. Ngata was a freak of nature who is bigger, stronger, >0.01sec slower than Jernigan and versitile anywhere on the D-line. Jernigan has youth but he's no more an athlete than Ngata was - the only way he comes close today is because of Ngata turning 31.

As much hope that I had for Torrey to become elite, he certainly fell short of that expectation and was only a good #2 receiver. He never came close to elite status. Perriman on the other hand has a strong opportunity to become an elite rookie (time will tell if he is ever an elite receiver). Firstly he has Joe in his 8th season. He was still honng his professional skills by 2011 when Torrey arrived. Even then he wen to Torrey 6 times against the Steelers with the deep abll in the week 9 win over the Steelers (our 1st in the Harbaugh/Flacco era) and Torrey made one impact catch for a TD. That pretty much forecasted his NFL career. Second, he has Trestman in his first season. Remember how he used Alshon Jeffery in Chicago? Under Trestman he had 1421 and 1133 yards in consecutive seasons with 10 TDs combined. Torrey had Cam Cameron who was all about a measured, low-risk approach. However under Kubiak, Torreyy did eclipse the 10 TD mark and drew more PI penalty yards than anyone in 2014. I expect that Trestman and Joe will make Perriman look similar to Jeffery. Third, Perriman is amore complete receiver coming out of college. On another thread I posted highlites of their college performance and you can see a world of difference. Torrey has a very limited catch radius whereas Perriman extends, high points and fights for every ball in his direction. Watch Torrey's highlites in the NFL and you'll see that he still mostly relied on Joe to put in his hands. The concern of Perriman's drops are overblown. Smith Sr. had the 3rd most drops last season and Torrey had 7 but we barely discussed that. IF Perriman has 10 drops like Senior did, but cracks the 1000 yard marker I don't think there is any cause for concern then. Fourth, circumstance will play a major factor. There is a log jam at reciver now moreso than what what Torrey dealt with. That is not necessarily a bad thing for Perriman tho'. The pressure is off Perriman with Marlon Brown, Kamar Aiken and even Darren Waller looking like reliable #2's in their own right. But since Perriman is the 2015 1st round pick he will get his game time reps. Like Torrey he is looking like the defacto #2 receiver. However, it took Torrey a few weeks to truly be Joe's #2 receiver. Perriman is poised to actually be that early on BUT ACTUALLY has the potential to become the #1 over Smith Sr. at some point this season. Torrey finally got that role in 2013 (3rd season) and seemed more like an elite #2 or boarderline #1 in that role.

Someone else I know mentioned quantity vs quality too. I wonder if they don't count the injuries before week 1 so players expected to contribute (i.e. Pitta, KLM, and Urban) weren't counted. It's weird that the past 3 seasons we've battled secondary injuries. Obviously we overcame them in 2012 and if not for some Belicheating this year we may've made the Sb again desoite the injuries in the secondary. There's got to be a reason for this more than bad luck. Anyone care to venture a theory?

Fickle, pandering media is all. I can;t stand those "build the best player" articles. Complete drivel that is the male equivelent of a Cosmo piece on build the best lover.

...and the secondary appears to be improved, starters and depth. If all Suggs and Dume can do is pressure QBs even without sacks the secondary is in a better position to make plays. Pees will be rotating a lot of players at the LoS and the backfield this year. I really can't wait to see how this plays out. I've had high expectations before and was abjectly disappointed (like the Mattison era), and injuries are never predictable. In 2012 the Ravens were the healthiest team coming into the playoffs despite a suspect defense and that, I think, was the the best indicator of our success. I recall thinking that we're were going to win it all by the end of week 16.

Technically, it's 9 franchises he's been with - The Ravens obviously are the former Browns which was the 2nd NFL team to fire him.

https://twitter.com/PFF/status/614210651175694336 "Joe Flacco had the most yards lost due to dropped passes at 472 yards, 82 yards more than second place." ~PFF Mean while Torrey Smith lead the league in yards gained due to PI calls. Seems like an interesting connection.

Now your just being obstuse. Rex was the master of prevent defense. Marv Lewis used it all the time too. I remember them blowing more leads in their day than under Pees. The old defense was stout, but gave up huge plays all the time - some for a loss. Prevent defense (I dislike it too) has been a part of Bmore as long as I can remember. It's like the trickle-down theory in economics - sounds good on paper, but fails utterly in practice. As for the meltdown in Foxborough, I think that those deceptive/illegal formations (the ones that Harbs had to take 5 yard penalty on to get the refs attention as they conferred about their legality) that the Pats employed several toime for big gains had a lot to do with that win. That also had a lot to do with player execution as well and Belichick exploited our inexperienced secondary. It was a masterful deception and if he played with any level of honor or sportmanship the Ravens would'e been in that SB. But as they say "age and deceit will defeat youth and ability every time". Lastly even great defenses are going to get embarrassed in today's game. Don't think for a minute you're comparing apple to apples here. The rules have changed too much since 2006 and even more since 2000. Those days are gone for good so you might as well acknowledge that and move on. Pees is not the enemy and deserves some credit for the wins we're

Well, please forgive the hyperbole in that post. The Ravens have actually averaged 25.5 ppg in 2014 which is pretty darn good league and great for this team. Once they designated Joe as a franchise QB they had to pay him as such. His contract (and no complaints from me on it) necessitates management to restock the team with value-based talent on other positions. Since Joe is the future of the team and the league is rewarding offensive play more than defensive, our defense gets the value talent - journeymen, rookies, disgraced veterans, practice squad hopefuls, etc. Then its up to Pees and his staff to make it all work. No Haloti? Ngata problem! Fill the void with cheaper journeymen talent and rotate them in until one distinguishes himself from the pack. No Jimmy Smith? Get a Rashaan Melvin to play over his head for 4 games. He's not perfect, but who is? He's better than anybody we can get right now.

...and now our offense can score in the mid-30's regularly while the defense does just enough to keep the lead. We're in a hayday now...and offensive one. You can't have a successful Flacco with a '00 or '06 defense. Seattle lucked into it and still has an average offense. The Ravens weren't far from the SB in 2014 and had we beaten the cheating Pats that Sb would've been ours. It's all perspective. Live for the olden days if you like. I'll enjoy the team as it is now.

I don't understand. He is the DC going forward. He's helped uo get to where we are today. He has the FO's confidence. There isn't a better candidate available right now. Some may be dissatisfied with him and that's your perogative, but other than that "he doesn't play defense like Rex" or from the "hayday" what's not to like? For me success is success no matter the form.