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8 minutes ago, berad said:

Was said in jest. I assume.

Negative, Ghost Rider.  Tom Brady is in fact an actual Princess, in addition to having the world's largest My Little Pony collection.  

4 hours ago, rmcjacket23 said:

I mean, I'd buy that... for the $1M fine and the loss of the draft pick. Have no issue with that, because thats a punishment specifically for the organization.

But this isn't about punishment for an organization. Its about punishment for an individual player. so the "repeat offender" aspect isn't applicable.

Ok, how about a 4 game suspension just for being a princess?  

The other issue here is the track record.  You commit a crime, you might get a light sentence.  Once you are a repeat offender, you get the hammer, and that is how it should be.  The Patriots have the most disgraced legacy in the history of US professional sports.  It is perfectly appropriate for them to receive grave punishment for their behavior.  

4 hours ago, rmcjacket23 said:

Sorry bud, we in the Real World here. Not fantasyland.

Easy on the mayo, sweetie.  

1 hour ago, rmcjacket23 said:

Ahh, and see there enlies the rub... I'm not on a side. I sit back and soak it all in. I don't just soak in what I want to soak in to formulate a solution I've already determined I want to see.

I don't buy into all the nonsense of trying to loop in people to past controversies that they had nothing to do with, because I'm not attempting to formulate a solution that I want to see.

One thing is for certain... there isn't a reasonable person on this planet who thinks anything about this entire process is "quite simple". Even figuring out what actually happened is the precise opposite of the word "simple". That's partially why we are where we are.

 

 

Oh it's plenty simple.  Cheat, get caught, get punished.  End of story.  God Bless Roger Goodell and somebody make me a sammich.  

3 hours ago, rmcjacket23 said:

Implies that I think Brady didn't do anything anything wrong, which is a poor assumption on your part. I'll give you a hint... there are people on this planet that think Brady did do something wrong AND, simultaneously, the whole process is one big farce and complete botch job by the NFL.

 

So you're on both sides of the issue and still want to debate with everybody else.  Sounds like you should run for office.

The bottom line is quite simple.  Brady and the Pats have been established cheaters for about as long as I can remember.  Deflategate is just more of the same, and I am glad to see that they got punished.  The courts are completely screwed up but we've known that for a long time too, so however arbitrary they are at least, for now, they got this one right.  

58 minutes ago, rmcjacket23 said:

Yeah... things like their privacy.

I never really cared much about the whole cell phone "conspiracy" thing, mostly because its not like anybody really thinks a rich person is just going to voluntarily hand over their phone to a complete stranger and just pretend like all of it won't be online in an hour.

Rich people got trust issues, and rightfully so. If I were him, I'd destroy the phone just because I can and chuckle at all the conspiracy theories that come from it.

Kind of validates this whole farce in a way. I mean its not like we can really look at things like whether the footballs were actually deflated, because there just isn't any valid evidence on either side of the argument to prove they were. So we just ask questions like "we you smash your phone" to troll up some substance. I don't blame it, because I'd do it too. Its similar to attacking credibility when we deep down know the person is telling the truth. We can't refute what they are saying or what actually happened, so we refute the person instead.

And in the end, Tom is going to lose less than 1% of his 2016 earnings and the people that hated him before still hate him, and the people that liked him before still like him. I'd right it off as paying for my own amusement.

And the only thing the NFL gets is lost revenue and a court upholding an agreement that they already signed years ago.

That's the perspective people should be focusing on.

If you are capable of convincing yourself that Brady didn't do anything wrong, good for you.  While we are at it, all dogs go to heaven, Santa Claus is real, and you really are just as handsome and smart as your mommy says you are. 

26 minutes ago, rmcjacket23 said:

Cool. And another court determined a precisely opposite outcome and determination with the exact same evidence and "facts". After 18 months, we've got two judges viewing the same proceedings in a different way than two other judges. So whatever conclusions one side of the argument draws based on those outcomes, the exact same conclusions can be drawn by the other side.

Welcome to the inherently subjective world of the legal system, hence why this farce should have never even gone there.

 

Contract disputes end up in court, and courts are never perfect.  This case isn't particularly special other than the level of public interest involved.  Welcome to life.  

One thing that isn't so subjective is that people who destroy evidence almost always have something to hide.  

3 hours ago, rmcjacket23 said:

Ummm... what? Straight face and all, do you actually believe a word of anything you just said?

100% of the legal process had absolutely nothing to do with football deflation, cheating, Tom Brady, or the Patriots. That whole concept ended like 16 months ago... that's just fodder for fan boys to debate over what did or didn't happen and what was or wasn't proven.

The legal process that has occurred after that cares nothing about any of that. Its 100% about Roger Goodell's responsibility and power granted in the CBA, and whether he violated that power. 

That's the irony of the whole thing... the entire legal fight is about Roger making sure everybody knows that he did what he was granted power to do (right or wrong doesn't matter), and simultaneously, he's negotiating with the Union to voluntarily give up said power.

In theory, the appeal decision is not about whether the Patriots did anything wrong, the appeal decision is only about whether the NFL violated the contract by arbitrarily imposing discipline.  However, the key takeaway from the appeal decision is that the NFL's decision was not arbitrary precisely because the evidence supports the fact that Brady did in fact cheat.  

So you can tell yourself all you want this is just about the CBA, but the court clearly recognizes that Brady was involved in cheating and hiding evidence.  

Can I pick a cheerleader?  I'll let you guess what we'd talk about ...

Just hold the Patriots accountable and penalize them. Sick of hearing ESPN explain why it's no big deal (mostly). If I were to get caught cheating to any degree on a test, I would risk getting my degree at my school. Knowing that is all I need to stay away from it. Let all teams in the league know how it goes when cheating happens. Just like their previous offense. It's impossible to catch all acts like this so that's why you punish the ones who get caught significantly as a deterrent.

My recommendation for punishing both Brady and Belichick is death by firing squad.  Perhaps as the halftime show.  What say you?