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11 hours ago, Tru11 said:

good thing there are not the only one rushing the passer on any given play?

not sure how credible profootballfocus is but according to them kessler when he played was pressured almost 50 % of the time.

https://www.profootballfocus.com/pro-top-five-nfl-qbs-under-pressure/

 

it was also just an example though.

 

 

Dude was most pressured QB in the NFL and it wasn't even 50% of the time

13 hours ago, Tru11 said:

You can draft a guy in round 1 and he sucks while you draft a guy in round 6 that becomes 1 of the best players in the game.

The draft is a lottery.

Sira can be a guy who can be as bust like gino , or he can be decend like lewis was last season  or become a stud like wagner or heck maybe he is even the next yanda.

Only way to find that out is to have confidence in the guy and let him proof you right or wrong.

Who says that if we drafted a guy higher that he would be better?
Who says if we bring in dunlap or mangold that they have enough left to be an upgrade?
Who says if we trade for thomas that he wont injure himself before TC?

You cant predict the future so rather then burning these young fellas to the ground before even a freaking week has past , how about you put some confidence in the fella and see how he does in TC.

If he is good then no issues.
If he sucks and there is no back up plan then shame on the FO.

If Flacco gets good protection and his footwork still sucks then i will criticize him.
If he is under pressure all the time then i will give him a pass.

If the o-line is 2013 bad then he gets a pass.
if the o-line is like 2014 i expect him to show proper footwork in the pocket.

in others words as an example i will evaluate the protection of the o-line first and then based on that i will look at the footwork of the QB when attempting to make a pass.

but on 1 thing i will evaluate the other.

at no point have i said that i will look at flacco footwork only and ignore everything else.
 

so drop the zeroing with purpose to criticize BS please

let me even be more specific.

if flacco drops back to pass 10  times and:
he is under pressure lets say half of the time or more , im not going to bash the fella for his footwork.
but if he is under pressure only about 3 times or less , i will expect him to show good footwork the times he has no pressure.

PS there seems to be quite a few people that have confidence in Sira when reading his welcome thread.

Well duh but there is a reason people expect more out of first rounders. They are taken first for a reason.

And if we trade for someone cool but why bring that up if you are confident in the young guys? You aren't.

Confidence in a 4th rounder playing a new position as a rookie? I'd say that is a huge risk. I mean you are really reaching at this point. I mean all that text and that is the best you got? You are just playing this card so you can bash on Flacco when things don't go ho hum. 

I'd love to see these guys succeed but I don't expect every 4th rounder to start immediately. It is called objectivism. Just like you don't expect Pees to do well when everyone is injured right? Funny how then those guys all end up being bums when it suits you but on offense in the offseason these guys are gonna be studs haha. 

Also Wilson with that duct tape O-line wasn't even pressured half the time last year(38%)? Did you see that Seattle O-line last year? It makes 2013 look good and I do not say that lightly. So it would take a pressure rate worse than that for you to go easier on Flacco? Welp, my work here is done.

4 hours ago, rmw10 said:

Mhm, sure.  Got it.

Really loses its effect when it becomes this obvious. If you want to really troll you gotta be more subtle. Once everyone knows then no one really cares anymore and basically only reply to mess with the troller. 

At least if Manny joins the Yankees I'll get to watch him continue to terrorize that team. 

20 hours ago, Tru11 said:

Yes i would be fine with starting a 4th round rookie at CB.
was actually advocating that just last freaking season....

does the name tavon young ring any bells?

wanted him to start over wright and powers.
want him to start over carr this season and until humphrey shows he is better.
want him then to become the starting nickle corner.

Also calling me out?

Same people that complain when a defender misses a tackle or when a receiver drops a pass  are making excuses when the QB displays bad footwork when he gets good pass protection.

catching ,tackling are just as fundamental to their position as is proper footwork for the QB.

So who is actually unfair and showing bias when complaining about the former 2 and make excuses for the latter?

 

 

 

 

 

 

Have you seen this O-line class? Or are you just looking at a 4th round label? Do you even know anything about our guy? How can you have confidence in a guy you know nothing about? The guy is potentially moving to Center even though he hasn't played it. Gino was a 4th rounder and had a year to study behind Birk. Sorry if I don't just buy into hype that he can handle that.

A drop depends on whether the QB placed the ball in a good position. If the WR has to flip around and do acrobats to even get a hand on the ball, I will be a heck of a lot more forgiving as opposed to a guy just sitting there and having it bounce off his chest.

And dude, the same thing applies to missed tackles. If a defender is getting flushed out of a play because the NT is not doing their job and a guard is getting a free run at the safety and the safety is just able to get out of that block and can't square up on a RB who is already running at top speed, well most times that is going to be a missed tackle. You have to evaluate everything is going on in the game as opposed to zeroing in on someone with the purpose to criticize.

I can't even complain that this isn't in the draft section, that is just impressive

Yeah in the eighties I was not even a concept in my parent's heads

6 minutes ago, LosT_in_TranSlatioN said:

"Bill Murray Sucks"

If a lot of people love each other, the world would be a better place to live

Just now, LosT_in_TranSlatioN said:

Lmao. 

Guess that explains the confusion haha

3 hours ago, LosT_in_TranSlatioN said:

Same lol. You're my hero too. Until next year where you screw me over again.

I'll take things I never expected @LosT_in_TranSlatioN to say for 500

1 hour ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

What if an asteroid hits earth? 

What if Stalin reanimates and partners with Kim Jong un? 

What if the ice caps melt? 

What if burgers were never invented? 

What if pi wasn't the longest decimal known to man?

You know what's up a elephants trunk? Six foot boogers. 

What if the wright brothers decided to be street racers? 

What if edd ed n eddy actually got to eat their jawbreakers? 

What if Hannibal burress never met Eric Andre? 

What if the housing market never crashed? 

What if you didn't ask stupid questions?

1 hour ago, JO_75 said:

By drafting defense the entire 2018 draft.

Yup, we need to make sure we can get more of those run stopping players lol

14 minutes ago, PurpleCity5 said:

Surely, but you take any franchise LT away from any team and they could have trouble. We saw a tremendous drop in the OLs performance once Stanley went down. We're going to have to rely on Stanley to be healthy, just the nature of the position. You can say that without Yanda we could be in trouble but teams are able to maneuver around an injured guard much better than an injured LT. Yanda isn't a guy with a history of injuries so I'm hoping he doesn't experience trouble. I think we should see stability and good play from 3 of the 5 spots on the OL. 

During our 2014 season when we had the #2 ranked OL, we were shifting guys all over the place, we went to NE with Hurst-Urschel-Zuttah-KO-Yanda and we pushed them around all day long and dominated their front. I think we need someone who can run a scheme and make sure that guys are playing up to their strengths more than anything. 

Yanda is a freaking beast, even though he got injured last year with that shoulder, he just shrugged it off and played at an elite level at LG instead. I guess he could suffer something really serious but it takes a lot for him to miss games. 

33 minutes ago, arnie_uk said:

Your my hero! 

He's as biased as the come when it comes to defense vs flacco

The tolerance I have of stuff like this has dropped as we have gotten closer and closer to the forums closing haha. My filter is just gone at this point. Don't think I will go and do a roast like @LosT_in_TranSlatioN on people but calling it how I see it right now.

Not quite as good as reat but trader is a good one to close things out

1 hour ago, Tru11 said:

a bad play?

flacco has been throwing off his back foot since he was drafted.

with zorn and later kubiak it seemed he got rid off it and worked on his footwork but as soon as they left he was back to doing this crap.

not throwing off your back foot is a fundamental for any QB.
for the amount of money and cap space he is taking up , it should be a no brainer for him to work on getting the basics of being a QB down.

i already said i wont blame him if is he is under pressure within a second of snapping the ball because the o-line sucks but if their is no pressure then as a professional franchise QB he should at least show proper fundamentals when attempting a pass.

as for the o-line itself.
FO just drafted 2 starters last season with 1 being a stud LT.
FO already kept the best and HOF worthy o-liners in baltimore.
FO just drafted a G in the 4th round who should be capable of starting.
That is 4 out of 5 positions filled already with 2 being manned by 2 of the best at their position.
Then their are 3 guys with starting experience on the roster to fill the last spot and there are 2 promising players the coaching staff is high on.
There is also a new o-line coach as well who could  get more out of these guys.

And if we need to their is still FA and later in the year teams will have to make cuts and who knows a guy like sitton comes available again.

Its really sad you are already throwing these young guys under the buss and acting like they will be 2013 bad before TC even started.

i dont see the skyfalling with the o-line at this moment.
if stanley and/or yanda gets injured then it would be time to really panick.

Dude, you aren't confident in the offense at all, you are just setting the framework so you can complain about Flacco the second things go wrong. It is pretty obvious and is the whole reason I have been calling you out.

And you really are bad at reading, this is 3 times now where I am saying judging each play individually as opposed to taking a game or season into account is stupid. It is called sample size, it is a pretty basic thing to know. If a guy is getting pressured all the time, I would expect them to hurry things up with the expectation of being pressured. Even if he isn't, if the line is doing bad enough that the expectation of being pressured is there, then that is a problem with the line. Kinda funny how with Kubiak he had a good line right? Kinda funny how in 2012 when he had the best line he has ever had for those 4 games he went on that great run? And now that the line has regressed since Kubiak left, funny how Flacco has regressed as well? Maybe because Flacco actually trusted those lines to give him time and doesn't with the lines the past couple years. Maybe because those were good lines and having to deal with the lines of 2013 and the injured mess that was 2015(which was far more injured than the defense but of course you were blaming the offense for everything even though they were all injured) messed up his mechanics? But no, I am sure those were great lines and Flacco ended up injured both those years by tripping over his own feet. 

And here comes the contract talk. I get that but at the same time if you expect him to perform like Rodgers then you haven't been paying attention. We pay him what we pay because we have no other option if we want to stay competitive. Maybe you want organized chaos back but we only won 1 super bowl with it and it was an all time great defense that certainly hasn't been here for years. We aren't getting rid of Flacco and the contract ain't changing so either get used to it or pop in some highlights from 2006 and watch us struggle with Boller or old McNair in the playoffs. 

As for the line, We have 3 positions filled. The others are question marks. Would you be fine with a 4th round rookie starting at CB? No, you'd be crying about how little help the defense has as per usual. You probably still will find ways to cry about that this year. No different at Guard but they are offense so I guess that is fine since it doesn't fit your narrative. And that 4th round rookie may be changing positions and may be raw so again, counting on a lot for him to actually perform well this year. If all these picks and FA signings this year were on offense, you'd be crying about how little help the defense got too which is what I find funny and what I have been calling you out on this whole time. You are no better than the people you are going after so much. But lets break down that 2014 defense at this point in the offseason just so you can realize just how hypocritical you are being.

We had a freaking stud in Ngata, we had a good starter in Canty. Sizzle, Doom, McPhee were deadly, Upshaw was good against the run. We had CJ and Daryl Smith. We had a first round pick in Elam, a good FA in Kendrick Lewis. Jimmy and Webb with a 5th round pick in Chykie Brown who had time to develop and another one in Asa Jackson. That is 4 CBs for 3 spots right? Honestly that might be a better group than this offense as it has a really good front 7. Of course we learned that CB was a mess with injuries and players not developing but that is just as likely to happen with the O-line this year is my point and people being concerned about it aren't "not giving the young guys a chance", they are looking at what we have and seeing a fairly high risk in the group doing bad. And you haven't even tried to hype up the receivers yet haha. But lets break down that O-line:

Stanley is good but already missed time last year, Yanda is getting older and we had good play from LT and RG in 2013. LG,C, and RT were just terrible that year. So it is very possible those guys stay healthy and Jensen/Urschel become the next Chykie Brown or Asa Jackson and that our rookies aren't ready for the big time yet(I mean San Diego State to the NFL is a big jump and our other guy was more of a developmental pick). Heck maybe Lewis regresses and does poorly at RT. That isn't even taking injury into account.

7 hours ago, Tru11 said:

you will blame the oline when they are actually allowing no pressure and are giving the QB a clean pocket to throw the ball?

that sounds really fair...

PS: i like  how you are trying to justify flacco throwing off his backfoot.
A QB setting his feet is 1 of the most elemantry things a QB is supposed to do.
No difference then a defender knowing how to tackle....

 

If it is one play out of many where he is getting pressured then I will blame the O-line for being bad enough that the QB can't trust them on a consistent basis. It depends on the situation. I just broke down how stuff like that works if you would care to go back and read the post. 

If you are too lazy to actually read(something you seemed quick to accuse me of not doing in the past) and just want to argue then I won't waste more time with you. I guess that is probably the wise decision here given that you would defend certain people for a making a bad call due to the supporting cast but can't defend a bad play due to a bad supporting cast. I mean I always thought you were a bit biased but having it confirmed like this is disappointing nonetheless. 

Fargo season 3 off to a good start

23 minutes ago, GrimCoconut said:

I think we didn't want to waste a pick on a guy in a weak WR class. That's what I think happened here. I think we decided to load up on areas where the Draft is strong and avoid those that aren't. We haven't always done this but I think we've changed our strategy in the draft this year. 

I don't think we were expecting 3 WRs to go in the top 10. If one of those guys were there we probably would have been more tempted to go with one but it sounds like we really like Humphrey(I mean we passed on Allen and Howard for him) so we may have passed on them anyways.

1 hour ago, Tru11 said:

a 9 year pro anticipating pressure should be able to come up with a better solution then just throwing it off his back  without any defender near him.

so you actually want to blame ozzie because flacco is seeing ghosts?

 

 

No I would blame the O-line for pass blocking so poorly that it affects the QB. You have never seen a game where Brady gets consistent pressure put on him? It affects him even when he has a clean pocket. Can't judge a position group or player on one play and not take everything else into account.

Then it becomes what is wrong with the O-line. If a ton of resources have been put into the group, I would put that on coaching for not coaching them up. If the team decided to go full Seattle and ignore the group, I'd blame the FO for ignoring the group or not being able to pick good players for the position if the coaching is not at fault(granted there is no way to truly know this without being in the building all the time). I mean sure the line should not give up pressure but we don't go into the season wanting the group to be bad so somewhere along the line mistakes were made. I mean the QB is getting hit so often he can't trust his blockers. That is a significant problem and just putting that on the QB is really ignoring much of what is going on. Instead of asking what or who, the question should be why?

3 minutes ago, balfan23 said:

Another part of what allowed me to have this pick grow on me was the way CBs went flying off the board in the late 1st and early 2nd. I really thought that pass rusher was going to be a more challenging need to fill and I wanted it filled in the 1st round with either Barnett or Reddick. Of course, to get either of those two would have required a trade up.

Given some of the pass rush help we were able to get later in the draft, failing to trade up (presumably for a pass rusher) may have been a blessing in disguise. The impact of the addition of Humphrey, Bowser and Williams should be felt almost immediately. I'm of the mind that you'd be hard pressed to see these needs more effectively addressed. 

Yeah Williams and Bowser will be nice, especially excited about Williams in the 2 minute drill. We have needed a guy like that for a long time

Feel a bit better about posting this now

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On 4/29/2017 at 2:10 PM, LosT_in_TranSlatioN said:

Ravens didn't draft Jake Butt. I have nothing left to live for. 

Pull yourself together man