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Don't see Collins as being worth that much. For reference, Chandler Jones, one of the better edge rushers in the NFL was moved for a late 2nd rounder last year with one year left before FA. Even if Collins was a top tier guard, #16 overall is a ton to give up for that position and I'd take Chandler Jones over a top tier guard any day of the week.

Didn't really care for his Washington tape but that is all I have watched so far, what are some good ones to watch?

Nice to have Webb back at a lower price, can help at a variety of positions and allows us to focus on a more long term solution at CB as opposed to someone who needs to play now(and that makes us a real intriguing option for a certain player hint hint)

That is all I would pay for him if that, now if Zach Martin or Travis Frederick were on the trading block I'd be for giving up a decent amount although giving up 16 for almost anyone is still a really stupid move. The fact you think giving up that much draft capital is worth it tells me just how inexperienced at this you are. Ah there it is, he is big and was one of your favorite players. Well shoot, I remember Ramon Harewood was even bigger, so maybe we should bring him back too, really help our line out. Also Collins being 6'5" is really important, really helps him get leverage over shorter defenders because we all know the high man wins right? We all have draft crushes but just because they are your favorite player doesn't really mean much and is a great way to get burned when evaluating draft prospects. Happens to everyone here and you can't let stuff like that cloud your judgement when evaluating these guys. Heck it happens all the time here even with current players. There was a time where people thought guys like Marlon Brown and Asa Jackson would be good for us. Players get hyped in camp every year and a lot of people get hit with a reality check come the regular season and those guys disappoint. Sometimes it works out like with Rick Wagner or Zach Orr but often we get Elams, Tommy Streeters, Aaron Mellettes, or Gino Gradkowskis. Collins while a solid Guard is not worth giving up our 16th pick. In the current state of the NFL, draft picks are crazy valuable not just because guys are young but also because in the CBA they are dirt cheap. If you get a good player at a pick, you can get great value out of them in comparison to their actual worth. Once they are done their rookie contract however they get paid market value and FA prices are rarely a bargain for a team. We would only have Collins a year before having to pay him market value while with the 16th pick we get a potential stud for 4 or 5 years at a good price(see CJ Mosley or Ronnie Stanley, our latest top 20 picks).

Sorry, haven't had fun on here in a while and someone saying to trade the 16th pick for a guard a year from free agency is just too good to pass up.

Lol when was he ever the top ranked guard? Maybe in your head but Yanda blows him out of the water, K.O. as well. Really not helping your case. Collins is not even the best guard on his team(they have this guy named Zach Martin fyi) and is the 4th best lineman(behind Smith, Frederick, and Martin). 5th best last year but lucky for him, Leary got paid in FA for outplaying him last year. Sorry but the Cowboys would be laughing all the way to the bank if you asked them for a trade like that. I could maybe see a 3rd rounder but the 16th pick? For a guard who we would then have to pay a ton of money to keep next year? That is just silly.

Uh yeah he did, you look at the tape.

Why the hype? Assuming health, he can get separation like no one else in this class, he is a guy defenses will have to account for every snap, we can actually have a good returner again. Tons of room for improvement as well as while he is decent at routes, he can certainly get better there. Also Perriman made plenty of spectacular catches but had quite a few drops in college. Think his drop rate was around 15%. And while Ross doesn't win jump balls a lot(wow, go figure with his size), the guy has had his share of really nice catches and his drop rate for last year was less than 5%. Reasons why I would be concerned, health, not winning jump balls if your quarterback can't throw a deep ball where Ross doesn't have to wait everytime for the ball. Second one doesn't really apply to us although you could argue fit as we already have a ton of speed on the field. I'd just say Ross can win underneath with that quickness as CBs will be too scared of his speed. And if you give him extra attention, that opens things up for Wallace and Perriman. Not my favorite pick at 16 but if healthy I would be fine with it and comparing him to Perriman based on 40 times is a disservice to both players.

Collins isn't worth that, Ronald Leary came on when Collins got injured and outperformed him. Just about any draft day scenario wehere we keep the 16th pick is better. Also -24 votes is pretty impressive

Ah this thread brings back memories

If you're not with me then you're my enemy

Believe the Ravens had him as a 2nd rounder on their board(Jernigan was the first rounder and CJ was top 10). Me and @rmw10 liked him a lot when we saw him at TC in 2014 but it is really tough to say what he is at this point with the injuries he has gone through.

Would be nice to have Webb back at a lower cost

It's over, @LosT_in_TranSlatioN has the higher upvote total

Sure but Yanda was still better than Boone and Monroe was great for us in 2013. The line was bad, Peterson had nothing to work with there with Bradford not having much time either. Their 6-0 start really is a testament to how dominant that defense is. Don't know if he has much left but judging him on 2 games last year would be like judging Ray Rice on his 2013 season(really is a shame he had to be stupid because he was poised for a huge bounce back year).

Only real positions they had even healthy were C and RG. 2013 Ravens had good LT and RG play. Pretty comparable

I am getting really mixed messages from the FO this offseason. I see a lot of moves that are making the current team worse and seem to be more for the future(like this one) but then we are throwing money around in FA like we need to win now. I'd be fine letting the younger guys compete for roles and trading away guys for picks or to save cap if we are rebuilding. It seems a bit silly though to think these guys are going through a rebuild given the money we have invested in FA and the fact that we haven't made the playoffs in 3 of 4 years and those seats have to be getting hotter(if the owner has to announce at the end of the year that you are still around, that is never a good thing). Also for the record, I think the Eagles are a really good fit for Jernigan and that next to Cox and Graham with Schwartz as the DC, he can do really well for himself.

Pretty much my thoughts about posting on RT

No he was the one who started random threads about the Cubs cheating and upsets being bad for sports among other odd topics

Ah gotcha, still think he is more a guy in the mold of a Pierce or Williams as opposed to a pass rushing threat inside.

Like Pierce but not sold on him rushing the passer, Urban needs to stay healthy, haven't heard anything from Carl Davis. Was he injured all last year or something? Think Urban or Davis suddenly becoming starters is stretching things, we are just naming guys on the roster at this point and hoping they can step up.

Has he shown anything? Doesn't seemed to be favored by the team

Kaufusi is already replacing Guy, I see Willie Henry as the guy we are probably going to depend on at 3-tech and asking them both to be starting caliber players is a big risk.