JamesA119

Tough and physical. Plays like a Raven just like Gilmore. Hope both can stay on the field.

The big question is the offense. I hope they are practicing hard and leaving no stone unturned. The offense has been horrible. They seem to have gotten comfortable with " we just didn't execute... blah blah blah"

  8 hours ago, JamesA119 said:

  11 hours ago, Mahatma_Sloth said:

  19 hours ago, RaRaRavens said:

  On November 23, 2016 at 4:24 PM, whobilly said:

How did you feel when the confetti was dropping at New Orleans?

For the love of god, I'm not talking about his 2012 campaign. I'm talking every year since that (except when Kubiak was the OC). If he would play like he did in 2012 or 2014, I would shut my mouth, cause the man would be earning his buck. But the matter of the fact is he's playing worse every year since.

 

Another thing, of course I'm proud about our 2012 triumph and the way the entire team, including Flacco performed. And I'm ecstatic about the overall success of our franchise. I mean, 2 Lombardi trophies in 20 years is most of other teams have to show for. This is one of my go-to arguments whenever some other teams' fans starts huffing and puffing. However, CAN WE PLEASE STOP LIVING IN THE PAST?!

 

It's one thing to be proud of your past success, reflect and feel good about it. It's another thing to get hung up on your glory days. Every time I see one of our fans with the talk "But in 2012..." I immediately remember the arrogant "We-have-6-titles" Steelers' fans. WHO CARES about 2012 or 2000 or whatever amount of titles any team has won previously! The only season that matters now is 2016 and how far you get this year, that's it!

 

And let me ask you this, whobilly, do you want to remain reminiscent about our 2012 season or do you want to get another SB win? I for one would like to see the confetti drop again some time soon. For that, one of the following has to change: 1) Flacco's game or 2) cap hit created by Flacco's salary, so we could afford more high level players. And I for one don't see any indication that Flaccos's playing level will improve any time soon. 

soooo he plays bad since getting paid except for the yeah he played good since getting paid? or is it that he plays bad since the year he played good since getting paid? I think the most important lesson here is that joe has played well since getting his contract and will play well if in an appropriate system. He is just an easy target, simple things for simple people.

Blame everything on everything else but ... SMH They paid him good money to impact games, not to be the one carried by everything else.
There is no perfect team. Good players have to make up for the deficiencies. In your argument we would be chasing this nirvana. Joe needs a perfect Oline, Joe needs the best WRs, Joe needs the best defense to not allow the other team to come back, Joe needs a good game plan, the run/pass ratio must be balanced, Joe needs a great play call, Joe needs a great OC, Joe needs a great head coach, Joe needs Ozzie to draft better than anybody else etc.
Joe can't do everything by himself of course, but look at his play. Ozzie should have kept KO, he is a proven talent one of our own. I don't believe that it was either KO or Weddle and Wallace. I think we could still have had both.
The Ravens mediocrity can't be blamed solely on Joe, but a 9th yr veteran can play better. If he played better even with all of our deficiencies, we will threaten the Super Bowl. We have talents all over the place. Suggs, BW, Jernigan, Mosely, Doom (when comes back), Weddle, J. Smith,
SSS, Wallace, Perriman, Pitta, Yanda, West, Stanley etc
Great special team. don't forget about Tucker.

I think if we compete we can beat any team consistently.

Lets just put it another way.....Imagine this Ravens team with Priest Holmes, Shannon Sharpe, Ed Reed and Rod Woodson. It really is about playmakers!

How unrealistic! So the Ravens nation would have to wait for the second coming of Holmes, Sharpe, Reed, and Woodson. What a nirvana!
It'll be much simpler if the players we have just elevate their games.

  10 hours ago, RaRaRavens said:

  19 hours ago, whobilly said:

How did you feel when the confetti was dropping at New Orleans?

For the love of god, I'm not talking about his 2012 campaign. I'm talking every year since that (except when Kubiak was the OC). If he would play like he did in 2012 or 2014, I would shut my mouth, cause the man would be earning his buck. But the matter of the fact is he's playing worse every year since.

 

Another thing, of course I'm proud about our 2012 triumph and the way the entire team, including Flacco performed. And I'm ecstatic about the overall success of our franchise. I mean, 2 Lombardi trophies in 20 years is most of other teams have to show for. This is one of my go-to arguments whenever some other teams' fans starts huffing and puffing. However, CAN WE PLEASE STOP LIVING IN THE PAST?!

 

It's one thing to be proud of your past success, reflect and feel good about it. It's another thing to get hung up on your glory days. Every time I see one of our fans with the talk "But in 2012..." I immediately remember the arrogant "We-have-6-titles" Steelers' fans. WHO CARES about 2012 or 2000 or whatever amount of titles any team has won previously! The only season that matters now is 2016 and how far you get this year, that's it!

 

And let me ask you this, whobilly, do you want to remain reminiscent about our 2012 season or do you want to get another SB win? I for one would like to see the confetti drop again some time soon. For that, one of the following has to change: 1) Flacco's game or 2) cap hit created by Flacco's salary, so we could afford more high level players. And I for one don't see any indication that Flaccos's playing level will improve any time soon. 

soooo he plays bad since getting paid except for the yeah he played good since getting paid? or is it that he plays bad since the year he played good since getting paid? I think the most important lesson here is that joe has played well since getting his contract and will play well if in an appropriate system. He is just an easy target, simple things for simple people.

Blame everything on everything else but ... SMH They paid him good money to impact games, not to be the one carried by everything else.
There is no perfect team. Good players have to make up for the deficiencies. In your argument we would be chasing this nirvana. Joe needs a perfect Oline, Joe needs the best WRs, Joe needs the best defense to not allow the other team to come back, Joe needs a good game plan, the run/pass ratio must be balanced, Joe needs a great play call, Joe needs a great OC, Joe needs a great head coach, Joe needs Ozzie to draft better than anybody else etc.
Joe can't do everything by himself of course, but look at his play. Ozzie should have kept KO, he is a proven talent one of our own. I don't believe that it was either KO or Weddle and Wallace. I think we could still have had both.
The Ravens mediocrity can't be blamed solely on Joe, but a 9th yr veteran can play better. If he played better even with all of our deficiencies, we will threaten the Super Bowl. We have talents all over the place. Suggs, BW, Jernigan, Mosely, Doom (when comes back), Weddle, J. Smith,
SSS, Wallace, Perriman, Pitta, Yanda, West, Stanley etc
Great special team. don't forget about Tucker.

I think if we compete we can beat any team consistently.

  4 hours ago, RaRaRavens said:

Every time I see Flacco's salary number I lol...and then I cry. The dude should be paid like a 5th round rookie the way he's been playing.

How did you feel when the confetti was dropping at New Orleans?

NFL contracts are usually structured to compensate players for the present and future performance, not past performance. However the best indication of future performance, is previous productivity.
He played well in 2012, but it's 4 yrs later now. He hasn't played well at all in that span, and the team is below .500 over that span. While his previous performance enabled him to cash in, it still doesn't negate the buyer's remorse among fans due to his dismal performance since signing that original contract.

  1 hour ago, JamesA119 said:

  1 hour ago, balfan23 said:

  2 hours ago, JamesA119 said:

Your perspective of how Flacco is playing is downright comical. I bet you missed the play when Steve Smith ran an out pattern, and Flacco threw it out of bounds on an3rd down, and we had to punt. I bet you also didn't see that playnwherenSteve Smith had to make himself almost 10 ft tall and kept his feet in bounds to complete the catch. This was also a simple out pattern that Flacco almost blew. There wasn't any play on Sunday where a WR dropped the ball.
Did you really watch the game? If you did I'm sure you would seen a great QB on the other side. Of course you'd rather blame the other 52 players that play for the Ravens.
By position do we have a player on the Ravens roster that ranks as low as Flacco does in his position? He is the 29th ranked QB. What does that mean to you?

I don't think Flacco's been right all year ... but there are games where we can put the blame squarely on him, but there are people who seem to want to put the full blame on him on every loss. To me, the offense hung in for the first half, but then come the second half, they only had one possession (that got destroyed by a terrible personal foul call) ... and that was the end of the 3rd quarter. The defense allowed the Cowboys to chew the clock to nothing. The offense didn't even have a chance to blow it. They didn't see the ball. 

To me, this game flipped at the half and it was all about the pass rush. The 1st half it was respectable and the 2nd it was non-existent. Even if Jimmy been available and had the game of his life and shut Dez down - it wouldn't matter. Dak could have gone through 12 progressions and hit any receiver who could manage to get open. Our edge rush shows glimmers of hope ... where we start thinking that maybe Siz can return to form and Smith and Judon can grow (why am I not saying Correa .. but I digress) but in the end ... a good O line and the pass rush can disappear. 

By the way my original argument about Flacco's ineffectiveness wasn't as a result of this game. It was as a result of cumulative posts by fans who always blames the Oline, the WRs, the defense, the OC, the coach - anyone but Flacco who is not only the weakest link but also whom elevated play could have the biggest impact.

Yep, this tells us you are uninterested in anything but your points. You ignore the points in the post that you replied to, which was about Sunday's game specifically, and just pile on the hate and loathing. At least you admit it here. You are only interested in hating on Flacco, and making sweeping generalizations.

When you start supporting other 52 players on the team, may be then you can have an argument

  45 minutes ago, JamesA119 said:

Your perspective of how Flacco is playing is downright comical. I bet you missed the play when Steve Smith ran an out pattern, and Flacco threw it out of bounds on an3rd down, and we had to punt. I bet you also didn't see that playnwherenSteve Smith had to make himself almost 10 ft tall and kept his feet in bounds to complete the catch. This was also a simple out pattern that Flacco almost blew. There wasn't any play on Sunday where a WR dropped the ball.
Did you really watch the game? If you did I'm sure you would seen a great QB on the other side. Of course you'd rather blame the other 52 players that play for the Ravens.
By position do we have a player on the Ravens roster that ranks as low as Flacco does in his position? He is the 29th ranked QB. What does that mean to you?

I don't think Flacco's been right all year ... but there are games where we can put the blame squarely on him, but there are people who seem to want to put the full blame on him on every loss. To me, the offense hung in for the first half, but then come the second half, they only had one possession (that got destroyed by a terrible personal foul call) ... and that was the end of the 3rd quarter. The defense allowed the Cowboys to chew the clock to nothing. The offense didn't even have a chance to blow it. They didn't see the ball. 

To me, this game flipped at the half and it was all about the pass rush. The 1st half it was respectable and the 2nd it was non-existent. Even if Jimmy been available and had the game of his life and shut Dez down - it wouldn't matter. Dak could have gone through 12 progressions and hit any receiver who could manage to get open. Our edge rush shows glimmers of hope ... where we start thinking that maybe Siz can return to form and Smith and Judon can grow (why am I not saying Correa .. but I digress) but in the end ... a good O line and the pass rush can disappear. 

By the way my original argument about Flacco's ineffectiveness wasn't as a result of this game. It was as a result of cumulative posts by fans who always blames the Oline, the WRs, the defense, the OC, the coach - anyone but Flacco who is not only the weakest link but also whom elevated play could have the biggest impact.

  25 minutes ago, JamesA119 said:

Your perspective of how Flacco is playing is downright comical. I bet you missed the play when Steve Smith ran an out pattern, and Flacco threw it out of bounds on an3rd down, and we had to punt. I bet you also didn't see that playnwherenSteve Smith had to make himself almost 10 ft tall and kept his feet in bounds to complete the catch. This was also a simple out pattern that Flacco almost blew. There wasn't any play on Sunday where a WR dropped the ball.
Did you really watch the game? If you did I'm sure you would seen a great QB on the other side. Of course you'd rather blame the other 52 players that play for the Ravens.
By position do we have a player on the Ravens roster that ranks as low as Flacco does in his position? He is the 29th ranked QB. What does that mean to you?

What does a subjective ranking that has nothing to do with winning games mean to me or any other intelligent person? Not much...obviously.

Yes, he missed throws on Sunday. So did Brady and Rodgers.

Get in line.

Yeah Flacco has been winning so much. SMH. He doesn't pass the eye test, nor the statistic test. He can't read defenses, he is very inaccurate, has poor pocket awareness. Any intelligent person can see that.

  25 minutes ago, JamesA119 said:

Your perspective of how Flacco is playing is downright comical. I bet you missed the play when Steve Smith ran an out pattern, and Flacco threw it out of bounds on an3rd down, and we had to punt. I bet you also didn't see that playnwherenSteve Smith had to make himself almost 10 ft tall and kept his feet in bounds to complete the catch. This was also a simple out pattern that Flacco almost blew. There wasn't any play on Sunday where a WR dropped the ball.
Did you really watch the game? If you did I'm sure you would seen a great QB on the other side. Of course you'd rather blame the other 52 players that play for the Ravens.
By position do we have a player on the Ravens roster that ranks as low as Flacco does in his position? He is the 29th ranked QB. What does that mean to you?

What does a subjective ranking that has nothing to do with winning games mean to me or any other intelligent person? Not much...obviously.

Yes, he missed throws on Sunday. So did Brady and Rodgers.

Get in line.

Brady and Rogers? Those, he is not.

  6 hours ago, rmcjacket23 said:

Precisely my point. That's what people are arguing about... ONE more running play.

We ran the ball twice in two drives. The first drive we ran it for no yards, forcing us into 2nd and 10. If you're advocating that we run the ball on 2nd and 10, feel free to post specifically why you think its a good idea.

The second drive we had a 9 yard gain on 1st down, which was negated by a 15 yard penalty on Zuttah after the play. That put us with a 2nd and 16. You don't run the ball on 2nd and 16.

By the time we got the ball again, we're down 14 with 11 minutes left. You don't run the ball barely at all in those spots either.

This isn't rocket science people.

Glad I'm not the only one who sees that. I've stopped going to a specific other site starting yesterday that blamed Sunday's loss on Flacco when he had a decent game (not perfect for sure, but good enough to win). I'm not giving them any more revenue with my clicks if they just want to spout nonsense.

The main problem was stupid penalties (opposed to calculated risk penalties) killing drives. Either wiping out first downs or huge chunks of yards which would have made it "simple to run the ball" on the next down but the penalty forces another pass instead. These things are a double whammy, they add another pass (a harder one to complete) to the stat line and effectively remove a running play, so the pass appears to be over-emphasized. Been the same all year (or drops by a WR on passes that hit them in the hands buddy pass style). It's like no one is watching the game and thinking about it. They just seem to look at stats, and you can't tell what happened in the game just from the stats.

Your perspective of how Flacco is playing is downright comical. I bet you missed the play when Steve Smith ran an out pattern, and Flacco threw it out of bounds on an3rd down, and we had to punt. I bet you also didn't see that playnwherenSteve Smith had to make himself almost 10 ft tall and kept his feet in bounds to complete the catch. This was also a simple out pattern that Flacco almost blew. There wasn't any play on Sunday where a WR dropped the ball.
Did you really watch the game? If you did I'm sure you would seen a great QB on the other side. Of course you'd rather blame the other 52 players that play for the Ravens.
By position do we have a player on the Ravens roster that ranks as low as Flacco does in his position? He is the 29th ranked QB. What does that mean to you?

I sense that no one has confidence in Shareece Wright and Jerraud Powers

this game was lost mainly by J Zuttah , he was either missing blocks or holding, that Personal foul he was flagged on was just a stupid stupid play on his behalf, he is just hot garbage this year, also we have the worst cover CBs in the league, without JSmith would couldn't cover anybody, I could make all those short wide open passes that Dakmade

Disagree with what you said about Zuttah. They showed replay of it and e wasn't holding.
The one mistake he made was the late hit. The refs definitely called a bad game. They might as well have been wearing the cowboys jerseys

Ray Lewis was right about Flacco. Did you see Dak owning that offense? Did you see Joe not owning that offense???

Yep couldn't agree more. But the Flacco apologists will tell me I'm not a fan, but they blame 52 out of the 53 players. When you blame that player that is entrusted and paid ridiculously to make us great and he is not, you are not a fan.

Meant to write nice guys that can't play.

This version of the Ravens team is nothing like the Ravens. The organization has been in steady decline since the Super Bowl. It is due to a lot of things. First the FO. Bad contracts - giving a below average QB $120M contract twice. Refusing to sign proven players that play like "a Raven" eg KO, signing inconsequential players to cheap contracts and thinking they accomplished something eg Michael Huff, Shareece Wright, Jerraud Powers, etc. Bad draft picks; Arthur Brown, Elam, Brooks, Kamalei Correa (in early rounds) etc

Secondly the coaching philosophy. Nice guys that can really play. That's not how the Ravens were built before Harbaugh came. When good players come around, the coaching staff doesn't seem to take note and they let them leave eg Dorian Stewart.


Really not sure that we are going to be able to restore the tradition here in a long while.
I remember when we used to be the dominant team; home or away

If one just dropped from mars they would think that Dak Prescott was the veteran QB

Not putting this on Flacco but how come the rookie Dak Prescott has so much control of their offense. He seems to have audibled several changes. He even drew our guys off sides.

I don't think this game was called evenly. The Cowboys played almost penalty free. How's that possible? When will the refs ever stop taking sides?

Defense didn't play well. This is clearly on Ozzie. He got his cheap CBs Wright and Powers. Enjoy that money saved . Thank you.

It appears that the offense never clicks. Left too many points on the field especially early when they had chances to increase the lead. Are they really practicing enough? It just seems that other offenses are executing better.

Baltimore may need Flacco to carry the offense considering Dallas ranks third in the NFL in rush defense (82.6 yards per game) and their pass defense is 21st (263.1 yards per game).

^ If I'm being honest...and I am; I just don't know if he can do that. Ugh! 

GO RAVENS!!

I just hope the offense can effective. It's just inexcusable how much of a weak link it has been.

  7 hours ago, birdseye said:

Let me preface this by saying I've always been a huge Flacco defender and dont want to trade/cut him by any streatch. That being said, I'm seeing more and more evidence that Ray has a point, and an important one. Joe clearly loves football, you don't achieve the kind of success in the NFL without loving the game. Tony Lombardi from RSR explains the reality of the situation in his "word on the street" podcast. Flacco realizes this is his job, he wants to win, and puts in some extra time to be better and to make sure his job is safe. He doesn't however, have the necessary passion/fire/ambition whatever you want to call it, required to be the best. Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, Drew Brees, Ben Roethlisberger, and Phillip Rivers have that and that is why he will never be as good as them. You could argue he is more talented than all of them, but that is only half the battle. Love Flacco, he is a very good quarterback, but that doesn't mean he is above criticism.

Mostly agree. I feel the same way about everybody on your list except MAYBE Tom Brady. Peyton is easily the most overrated winning QB of the last 20 years. If Joe had Peyton's caliber of pass-catchers throughout his career in a weak division we'd be singing Joe's praises like fangirls too. Philip Rivers has to be the mouthiest loser QB I've seen in recent memory. Passion gets him nothing more than L's most of the time. I will at least credit him for not being as smug as Jay Cutler though lol.

I disagree with your explanation of Manning. Manning spent innumerable hours practicing with his WRs such that by game day it was easier than practice. In fact what's more likely is that if Marvin Harrison and Reggie Wayne had played with Flacco, they would not smell the pro bowl much less the HOF

I agree with Ray Lewis. Flacco says it himself. He is not a leader type. If Flacco was playing any position other QB, no one would even equate him with team leadership. He is low key and this isn't necessarily a bad thing but not the best quality for a leader in the NFL. Name one true leader in the NFL with that quality. It's a fiery sport and more often than not a fiery leader can make a big difference. How many times in the last few years has this team come out flat and stayed flat through out the entire game? I have found myself saying several times in the last few years during games "how good could it be to just get a spark" This team has lost in so many different ways that it didn't use to; home games, loses in a row, usual amount of playoff missed, lack of divisional championships etc,
Ray Lewis is the ultimate Raven. Ray made average players play like pro bowlers. Flacco on the other hand has never produced a pro bowl WR.

I hear people say this nonsense of Flacco won Ray the Super Bowl in 2012. Watch the post game press conference that Manning gave after the mile high miracle game. He made it clear that his fear of Ed Reed in the back field detracted him from being aggressive through out the entire game.
In the AFC championship game that followed, we shut New England in the second half. Pollard knocked out Shane ?Vareen to cause a fumble that changed the whole complexion of the game.

Flacco played great of course but that defense was instrumental in that Super Bowl. It's unfortunate that we have a culture that like to make losers winners, and winners losers.

Weddle is doing what he thinks he has to do, however he must not forget who the ultimate Raven is. In fact Weddle came here to try to continue the tradition set by none other than the indomitable Ray Lewis.

  12 hours ago, RaRaRavens said:

Our defense is capable of keeping our game with the Cowboys close, but I still don't see us winning, because Joe Flacco and the offense.

It would not be fair to ask our defense to shut out the best O-line in the league and to carry our team to yet another win. Their job is to keep the game close enough and I have no doubt they are able to do it.

But then Flacco will trot on to the field for 3 icky-dicky plays, probably dump the ball off to closest player who'll get 2 yards, and then skip back to the sidelines again with that smug smirk on his face like he just won us the SB.

So unless we can unleash West&co, it's going to be a looong game for us Sunday. And considering both our starting Gs are hurt, it won't be easy to find much running room.

It's the O-line RaRa. It wasn't good to start with (including the complete insanity of starting two rookies on the left side) and when any link breaks now, it all falls apart. It was/is this line that is supposed to protect the quarterback coming back early from a devastating injury that takes a year of playing to fully recover from.

Plus Joe, IMHO, is in a lot of pain, either from the previous injury or a new one from earlier this year. Haven't you ever heard the saying "Smile when you are in pain!"? It helps mask the pain and conceal it from your enemies.

You sound like Flacco's uncle or doctor

  23 hours ago, CQ1 said:

I'm not worried at all about our schedule- its our offense (that is beating itself, whether its the QB [helllo] and, or the issues with the offensive line) I'm consistently worried about.
Grant it, we had a nice surge, or spark against Cleveland in the second half- but it was Cleveland. Also, think how many points that were NOT taken advantage of.
The 2 major interceptions by Flacco [hi- again] , both in and near the end zone that killed points. A 10 year rookis should NOT be doing that. He had also took a sack for a major loss in the first half that killed the drive and had taken us out of FG range. I know its 'should of' but we should have easily posted a good 40 points against the Browns.
Regardless of who is on the schedule, its up to the offense- to progress quickly, and to not beat itself.

That sack was the fault of Pitta whose (non) block was the worst I've ever seen. Both INTs were really good plays by the defense. The long ball to Smith where he pulled up and did his best Torrey impression - can't really fault them for taking a deep shot to SSS covered 1 on 1 with a rookie CB. And the other in the end zone was a good play by Haden - he was covering the RB and dropped off at the last second to make the INT - you can't "read" that (Joe's target was open for the TD). Again, it's the Defense that has let us down - giving up last second TDs to Crabtree & Beckham after Flacco led game winning scores. If the D holds, we "should of" be 7-2.

Offensive line might be an issue but I have no worries that Flacco can win games.

Can we be realistic for a change. I believe that we will make the playoffs if we do not take any more steps back. However we cannot say with a straight face that the defense is holding us back. Without our defense we could easily be 0 for. The offense score about 11 TDs in a 100 drives. Up until the last game they were tied with Houston for the least amount of TDs in the NFL. How do you think that we managed to stay in every game despite such horrendous offensive out put. To even insinuate that the defense is holding us back this year is ... I don't know what to say.
The QB is on pace for about 12 or 13 TDs and 16 Ints. That's not exactly killing it on offense.

We need the QB to be a QB not just get the ball from the center and throw it.

Is there any doubt who is the leader of the Ravens?

  1 hour ago, CQ1 said:

I am sure that the Ravens Brass are stuck between a rock and a hard place with this fiasco......

Lol far from it. We are in a much better position than several teams who have been struggling to find a franchise qb for close to a decade. He needs to play better, but there is no question that Joe is the permanent starter regardless. Until he starts throwing 4 and 5 picks in back to back weeks like Fitzpatrick he's our guy. 

Temporary permanent starter is more like it. If Flacco doesn't start playing well, he might be pulled to save the season. The defense is so dominant, and there are a lot of veteran that might retire after this year eg Suggs and Smith and the team is well placed to win the AFC North division. I don't think that the team will just sit by and watch him throw away the season.