beanfigger

3 minutes ago, cec327 said:

You are correct in your analysis of my comment. Actually, if we adhered to what I posted then we wouldn't need to draft anyone, However, many " experts" are not sure as to what he brings to the table. A " highly competitive" player-- how exactly does one make it to the NFL without that quality? Alexander's is 5' 10" thought to lack size but appears to have good coverage skills. My point ( poorly made) was that each year we drink the purple cool-aid because it's that time of year. Oh, here is a typical reaction when the Ravens drafted Elem.  "I'm not quite sure what their referencing to when they say, "he lacks urgency to his game". I watched every Florida game last year and this guy is a stud. Granted I didn't watch the "tape" on just him alone, but he is and will be big time. I know people may scorn me for this, but I think he has Ed Reed potential and intangibles. Whoever drafts him will be quite pleased with their pick."-- 

What does purple kool-aid have to do with Alexander at the moment? He's currently not on our team.

1 minute ago, rmw10 said:

3rd plus the early 4th could get us in a very decent spot if we wanted.  Not saying it's likely to happen, but we absolutely do have the ability to do it.

I think those picks would be lucky to move us up ten spots. 70-60. Not to mention, a lot of the picks around the area we would look to move are owned by our friends in Boston and Pittsburgh.

I think people are overrating our tradeable picks. We didn't avoid trading back into the first for someone because they weren't worth it, but rather because we didn't have enough to really trade up too far without decimating the rest of our draft.

We may be able to trade up a bit from either our second or third round picks, but really not that far, unless we break out of our mold and give up some future picks.

Trading down in the first would have been the way to collect ammunition for a trade up today, but no one called us to do so.

I'm betting we stand pat tonight and just have to deal with who falls to us. I don't think that looks like a bad option right now, either.

2 hours ago, redrum52 said:

I think it was said by the league.  I don't think this is a rumor.  I mentioned it before, but mostly because I'm trying to figure if we actually wanted Zeke or Ramsey.  They tried to trade, just curious who it was actually for.

Several reporters this morning, all citing "reliable" Ravens sources, all reported Ramsey was the target. Jerry Jones appears to be the only one reporting we wanted Elliot.

All reporters with Ravens sources are still stating this morning that Ramsey was the target and it wasn't going to be a trade up for Elliot. Jerry was just talking out of his wallet pocket.

2 minutes ago, Jaybirds said:

How much better is Jack's knee than Jaylon Smith's? 

Jack WILL play again, and likely start this season. It's a matter of longevity for him.

Smith HOPES to play again. He certainly will not play this upcoming season. Nerve damage is very unpredictable. His doctor optimistically stated that there's an 80% chance he someday returns to form. It's way more than a longevity issue; it's an issue of whether or not he'll ever see the field at all in the NFL.

3 hours ago, Jaybirds said:

Okay.  I was dead wrong about using Tunsil for bait on a trade back.  Dead.   Wrong. 

BUT!   Hopefully it's clear now why I wanted another pick in the 2nd. 

I want extra picks in the second round every year. Just gotta find a realistic way to acquire them. Titans did trade up, like many thought they would, but they only parted with a third this year and second next year. Not quite the haul everyone here was looking for.

"Because Jack didn't get picked in the first round, it's safe to say he's not worth a second round pick."

haha. By that logic no one still available is worth a pick next round. Guess we should just trade out.

I'm just glad Tunsil went to Miami so he can disappear there like everyone else. He'll retire in a dozen years, and we won't even realize he had a good career until then when someone tells us. It'll be like, "Oh yeah, good for him."

Four players left I would be REALLY happy with, four picks before ours. I can already see what's going to happen.

This isn't to say there aren't plenty more players I would be fine with, though, because there is.

Three of these dudes still available after Day 1. Wild to think these were guys we wanted at 15. Happens every year. Hopefully we get one, and then it's double bonus considering we still got our guy at number six beforehand.

2 minutes ago, GrimCoconut said:

He's not a RT. Not sure why they said that. Maybe he plays there year one, but I think he'd sooner play LG but who knows. 

He spent a year at RT at ND, though, correct? It's not uncommon for rookie LT's to start there. However, I agree that we may see him at LG.

Crazy stuff so far. Also, all the Titans gave up for a trade was a 3 and next year's 2. Not enough for us, I'm sure.

3 minutes ago, DomMcRaven said:

Very weird way of pronouncing Raven.

Good one.

Wouldn't read much into it anyway. He was being interviewed by Michael Irvin.

2 minutes ago, rayven98 said:

If im ozzie I ask for 15, 33, and 43.  If they want tunsil that bad the stupid value chart doesn't matter.  The titans are playing with house money even after they give up this trade.  They still got probably a mid 1st round pick next year.  So if I'm the titans and love tunsil I would give up 15, 33, and 43 in a heartbeat.

I would be speechless, both in shock and overjoyed. I just don't know how they could love a player that much and give up their chance to choose him originally.

8 minutes ago, RaineV1 said:

Well, we've seen bigger trades before by teams trying to get into the top ten for a guy they love (like the Falcons when they traded up for Jones). And I think the Titans might be willing to unload some more picks they got this year since they have two 1sts next year.

I really hope all your guys' optimism works out for us. Praying that you all have a direct line to Titans management during decision-making process. If they give us two seconds, and we don't have to give up ours for it, I will be overjoyed. There is no one player that could be drafted by us and make me happier than a trade like that would.

37 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

Value is subjective. Tennessee reportedly loves tunsil and we could be the team to call if SD and jax passes on him. They got a ridiculous haul and they need a tackle, they have more than enough currency and if they like tunsil enough then the chart be damned. You think goff or wentz is worth what was given to move up? Beauty is in the eyes of the beholder and if Tennessee wants tunsil we need that 33rd. Shoudlnt be too steep for them anyway since they have an embarrassment of riches over the next 2 years

I meant it didn't seem like enough for us. I'd want more than one extra pick, but it isn't like we'd be dropping 15-20 spots, so we need to keep things in perspective.

The chart is not bible, but if things are that far out of whack, I doubt we see it. The number one pick is worth nearly twice what our number six is on that chart, so of course it took crazy hauls to get there.

Believe me, I hope I'm wrong, but I think dreaming of getting two extra seconds for a nine spot drop is crazy. 15 and 33 for 6 is realistic, but I would rather get a second and third, even if it means us giving back a third-day pick along with our number six. Two seconds, two thirds, and three fourths sounds too good to me to pass up, and I think that's best case scenario for us, even if the second we get is 43 instead of 33.

1 minute ago, rmw10 said:

Double purpose in that you can use that bottle if we get a guy you don't like as well. 

Probably a different bottle.

Just now, ALPHA said:

Off topic but what is everyone eating and drinking tonight? I'm getting cured ham slices, pastrami, pancetta and making a huge sandwich.

Eating from this awesome Japanese spot called Suki Hana in the mall near me. Also getting champagne just in case we get Ramsey.

Zeke is wearing a purple suit tonight.

Just sayin'...

16 minutes ago, itscbm5042 said:

That would be insane but there is a big drop off between the beginning of the 2nd round and mid 2nd round - we don't need to stock the farm we need a few high impact starters and then find some 4th round gems like we often do. I'd throw in a 3rd to get that early 2nd rounder

 

What about 6 and 70 for 15, 33, 45 so we would end up with 15, 33, 36, 45,

Titans get their top rated player they would have taken at #1, an extra 2nd, and an extra 1st next year and we stock up in the 2nd round on starters. Now THAT could do some damage!

I've had this talk before with others, the dream of getting two seconds from them for a nine spot jump without giving our second up is pure fantasy in my mind. Of course, we should ask for that and see what happens.

Just for frame of reference, the pick value chart, which isn't bible by any means but a good thing to look at for an idea, has our number 6 overall, our third, both tradeable fourths, and our tradeable sixth still worth slightly LESS than their 15, 43, 45 (forget about 33). It'd be an all-in move, which might turn out awesome with four picks in the top 45, but a move I'd highly doubt we'd make.

If you want 33 and 43, along with 15, we'd have to give our first and second, and we could probably get their fifth. That isn't enough of a change for me to make that big a move.

1 minute ago, itscbm5042 said:

Here is a crazy one...

The proposed Ravens / Titans trade happens and the Ravens move to 15 in exchange for the Titan's 2nd and 4th (wanna move, gotta pay up)

Ravens have 15, 33, 36,

Myles Jack, Noah Spence, Kendall Fuller

Even better, they give us 15, 43, and 76. We throw in a 4th. Then, we have #15, 2 2nds, 2 3rds, 3 4ths.

2 hours ago, Jaybirds said:

I'd be very happy with 15, 36, 45, and two 3rd round picks.  
I think 15, 33, and 36 would also favor us, we could wind up with 3 starters who all had 1st round grades. 

 

I agree these trades are in our favor and look nice. I also agree that the first one looks best. The best part is that these are realistic.

2 hours ago, Alabama Raven said:

That's still a positive result in my mind, I think the only qualifier to consider at that stage is who comes off the board between picks 3-5. If it's something along the lines of Ramsey/Tunsil/Bosa then I probably do trade back. At #15 we're still getting a top line talent, and I think the value increase from an extra player at the beginning of the second round would be immense. We could address DE/OLB, CB, WR, OT in the first three rounds with high ceiling players. We've been attempting to seriously address needs in the middle rounds for the past 5 years to only a moderate degree of success. 15, 33, 36 would still far and away the best three picks we've had in a draft in recent memory. That's not even counting the two in the 3rd and three in the 4th. 

 

The more I think about it, the more the trade down makes sense, and to be completely honest with you if Tunsil is available I think Tennessee ABSOLUTELY comes back up in exchange for 2 second round picks. In all likelihood we would need to give up a 4th or possibly a 3rd, but they would push much harder if Tunsil were on the table. He actually gives us more leverage. 

 

Trading back maximizes our value, and allows us to address more needs with players of similar caliber. It's the responsible move. 

I agree that trade back still makes sense, but I strongly disagree with there being any chance of us getting those two seconds. Even giving up all the rest of our tradeable picks this year (3rd, two 4ths, 6th) after round two doesn't quite balance the scale on the value chart, and I doubt we do that.

Another slight possibility would be for us to trade 6 & 36 for 15, 33, 43, and their pick at the top of round 5, but there is no way I see us ending up with three total second rounders for only one trade down nine slots. If they wanted Tunsil that badly, they would have just taken him at one.

3 hours ago, rmw10 said:

That's the type of scenario where I think a trade actually makes sense.  If you can move back, still get the guy you want, and pick up extra pick(s), that's a no brainer.

Could have a slim chance to even pick VHIII if we move back that far.