BallsoHard622

If the Patriots only played in a REAL division like the AFCN.

Man I've been saying the same thing for years. They won there division every year except twice since Brady has been there. The teams in there division have been disgusting so there almost garunteed a trip to the playoffs. There's more but I'm so sick of the Patriots....smh

Good corners help out the pass rush. We drafted multiple pass rushers last year but we can draft one more this year n the middle rounds. We need to draft atleast two corners in the top half of the draft. We need to redo the secondary with young CBs that can grow in our system.

I think safety is a bigger need. But just my opinion.

Our biggest need is corner our safeties are good. It's hard to find safeties an our safeties have only been on the job one season. Corner is our biggest need an why we didn't make the playoffs.

I agree with Steve 100 percent. If we let go of sizzle an doom now our young guns wouldn't be able to pick up the slack. I think we need to restructure dooms contract an see what he can do when he's healthy again. Until we draft a pass rusher or one of our young rushers start playing a lot better it would be hard to let sizzle an doom go. We need better corners to help our front out, the front end works with the back end.

Very interesting of Oz to say all that stuff, because it seems to me that the Ravens have completely lost their identity of being the nasty physically dominating bully on the football field. For years now we have been drafting mostly nice guys with stellar on and off the field reputation and it directly correlates to the attitude we see on the field.

It has been slowly happening ever since Harbaugh came aboard, and yeah-yeah I know, he is not making the draft decisions alone, but it seems to me that before Harbaugh-era our team was way more willing to draft those old-school mean and aggressive players.

Now our roster is filled with "choir boys" like someone on this board very shrewdly said it. Literally no one is afraid to play against us anymore and it's especially a factor on the defense. And now, with Smith Sr. gone, we just might be the softest politest team in the NFL.

That is not the Ravens Way! I really really hope that Oz will walk his talk and they will get back to drafting players who strike fear into their opponents, players who bring the pain, players who you don't want to play twice against.

But as I've expressed myself before, I have serious doubts of that happening until Harbaugh has any say in the matter. Here's to hoping that Oz will end this nonsense come April.

EXACTLY!!!

We used to be feared. We use to be a physical team on both sides of the ball. I miss the nastiness the edge the old school football. We aren't them guys anymore because harbaugh wants nice guys. We need guys like pollard as a third safety to intimidate. We needed KO on our offensive line because he was a mauler an we dud the replace him an we payed for that. What happen to having samari role an chris Mcallister on the outside, two physical corners that could man up an tackle. We've been on the decline for years an it's been hard to watch.

Our offense should be smash mouth power football with play action passing. Flacco is no good if it's anything else.! I understand us not taking players with domestic violence issues but we aren't evaluating players the right way or something. I guess we'll see next year...

Well, we have 18 TEs on the roster, so maybe start there. Then move onto a secondary that has a bunch of pine riders who SUCK and should not even be on the practice squad. Then get rid of doom - he's useless. We all saw how inept he was when Suggs was out last season; and then this season, well, not much different.

18 TEs...lmao that's what I've been saying to dog. Why did we keep bringing in TEs. I wish we would attack the corner position like we attacked the TE spot. We should redo pitta an webbys deal an see if we can work out a short term deal with doom. Our young pash rushers aren't good enough yet for us to rely on. B Williams an our rt Wagner are gone. Time to add some playmakers on both sides of the ball.

Overall I like our 2016 class but I think our second an third round picks should've been oline an corner back. I didn't understand why we drafted kaufusi at all an I felt we could've got correa later in the draft. You should get some kind of production from a 2 an a 3 in we got nothing.

You're right, Eisenberg, it's Not complicated. It is, also, frustrating. You mention that the team has known about this problem (weakness at cornerback for years. made worse by Jimmy Smith's fragility) yet the only moves Ozzie has made to try to correct it have been feeble at best. I think it's really worse than you imply, because I do Not think that the team should even count on Smith because of his inability to stay healthy. I think the team should consider him as a bonus only. So, I'm of the opinion of Tavon Young locking down the inside CB position and us needing to find Two, not one, true starting caliber CBs. And, again, when Jimmy is able to play, he's a bonus or luxury. It's sad, but I think we have to expect him to continue to miss games due to injuries. History is the best indication of his future. I realize how difficult a task this will be for Ozzie, but it Is the reality of our CB situation. And that's to say Nothing about our totally inferior pass rush. To me, that's just as big a problem. Doom Might have a better year just because it's a contract year for him, but I don't think he's even going to be here. Suggs will be a year older although, hopefully, he will be healthy. He's truly near the end though regardless. I don't expect much help at all from our 2nd and 3rd round draft choices for this last draft. They were whiffs for Ozzie. Too bad too because better pass rush prospects were available. But, of course, Ozzie has to take only choir boys. Bottom line, I think that our pass rush situation is just as important as the CB one is. These are the TWO Top areas of upgrade needed for our defense to get back to being good again. The running game defensive said and the inability to close out games have to be figured out as well. That's a Lot of work. Probably more than one off season's ability to correct. And don't forget, we're only talking defense here. Ozzie Really has a Lot of work to do. And, on top of All this, it looks like Mr. Bisciotti whiffed this year too when he decided to keep Harbs and both his coordinators. I still hold out the tiniest of hopes that he, like he did with Billick, will have a change of heart about that decision.

Excellent post!! I've been feeling the same way. You new every game this year that jimmy got hurt in or wasn't playing at all that we were going to lose because or corners ain't good. Every year I've been posting over an over again before the season starts that we need to bring in corners but nope.....it never happens. Smh

We have been here several times before. But every time Ozzie chooses to save money and hope for miracle. He did that in 2013. He let Graham go for $4M/yr Back then Graham was really good. He had just helped us win the Super Bowl. It's likely that Graham could have signed for a little less than that instead of signing with his hometown Bills. We had the opportunity to sign Brandon Flowers. We chose cheap options like Rashan Melvin, Davis, etc. Then last year we were enamored with Shareece Wright; a player that was riding the bench in San Francisco. He was cheap.
As incongruent as their out look is on the CBs so also it is with the QB position. They have mortgaged the teams future on a bad QB. When I say this people always "Joe has talent" Well what do we mean by that? "He has strong arm, he is on the better side of 6'6" Well that's is called potential. The QB at his 9th yr is still processing the game at the level of a rookie. It doesn't appear that he puts in 1 more second than needs to be put in to get ready for a game. He relies on his instincts and adrenalin on Sundays.


It might be the time to deconstruct this team.

Good post. I thought when they let graham go that was a bad move an there's been a few free agent corners we could have picked up that wouldn't have broke the bank. They want to be cheap when it comes to the dbs an we got what we payed for. We can go on an on about flacco but the bottom line is every yeAr he plays like a rookie for the majority of the season an they make all kind of excuses for him.

I've been saying we needed to improve our corner position for years but the front office doesn't like drafting corners in early rounds. Look at our teams that won the super bowl an you will see we had good corner play. Jimmy smith being hurt most of the year an having to play a rookie an back up corners is the reason we're not in the playoffs. Our offense sucked but our secondary lost games as usual.

  22 hours ago, BallsoHard622 said:

I wish we would've paid KO to be our left tackle. He proved that he could play the position. If we did that we could've dropped back from the number six pick in the draft to the 8 or 9 spot an snatched up Eli apple an a second round pick. That would made a big difference this season.

When did KO prove he could be a LT? He played what 3 or 4 games at the position during a meaningless stretch of a 5-11 season.  He got paid LT money but he's still a LG even in Oakland.  

 

Now I've got nothing against Eli Apple I liked him as a prospect last year but when the Giant drafted him that high it was a bit of a reach since he was thought to be a mid to late 1st round prospect.  If your scenario plays out and KO was the future LT then I would have expected a more aggressive attempt to get Ramsey as the pick rather than trading back. 

 

 

I believe KO played tackle for years in college an even throw it was a meaningless stretch he stilled played very well. The Ravens tried to trade up for Ramsey but the team they tried to trade with wanted to much in return or didn't want to trade with us at all. He's a LG in Oakland because oakland already has a good LT. There offensive line is one of the best in the league now with KO. That was just one of my wishes... That all

  13 hours ago, BallsoHard622 said:

  15 hours ago, jdynamite said:

Ozzie, Decosta and Harbaugh all need to do much better jobs of addessing these needs. After all, these are the same re-occurring needs for 3 straight years now. 

They said we needed to improve the secondary 2 years ago but didn't make any moves outside of Kyle Arrington, Kendrick Lewis both terrible signings and wrote a million fluff pieces about how Rashaan Melvin looked strong and would be an excellent starter opposite Jimmy after an offense of improving.  

Fast-Forward one year the narrative becomes Shareece Wright is the bookend opposite of Jimmy he's had the strongest camp of anyone has ultra confidence himself and he's poised for a breakout year. 

Webb is the answer at safety - Webb did play very well second half of the season. 

Tavon Young was a pleasant surprise, the kid play great. 

No one knows what was the deal with Correa I'm sure this guy didn't even play 10% of the defensive snaps. Even with Mosley and Dummervil both out this kid didn't see action. 

 

I like correa but I thought it was a wasted second round pick. We should've drafted the best available corner an then grabbed an iLB later

What is there to like about KC? CP (Can't Play) I don't get overly excited about a #2 pick that can't get on the field except for Special Teams where he was nothing special.

I hear but I think he can develop into a decent ILB. Your second round pick should contribute right away but he wasn't ready. I think we could've got him in the later rounds an used that pick on a position like db which we really needed

I wish we would've paid KO to be our left tackle. He proved that he could play the position. If we did that we could've dropped back from the number six pick in the draft to the 8 or 9 spot an snatched up Eli apple an a second round pick. That would made a big difference this season.

I would not move forward with Terrence West. Smart decision would be to let him go and draft a HUGE RB.

West an Dixon are a good one two punch. Problem is our oline ain't the same with out kelechi Osemele. KO was a mauler in the run game an we didn't replace him. Our line isn't good at run blocking.

Ozzie, Decosta and Harbaugh all need to do much better jobs of addessing these needs. After all, these are the same re-occurring needs for 3 straight years now. 

They said we needed to improve the secondary 2 years ago but didn't make any moves outside of Kyle Arrington, Kendrick Lewis both terrible signings and wrote a million fluff pieces about how Rashaan Melvin looked strong and would be an excellent starter opposite Jimmy after an offense of improving.  

Fast-Forward one year the narrative becomes Shareece Wright is the bookend opposite of Jimmy he's had the strongest camp of anyone has ultra confidence himself and he's poised for a breakout year. 

Webb is the answer at safety - Webb did play very well second half of the season. 

Tavon Young was a pleasant surprise, the kid play great. 

No one knows what was the deal with Correa I'm sure this guy didn't even play 10% of the defensive snaps. Even with Mosley and Dummervil both out this kid didn't see action. 

 

I like correa but I thought it was a wasted second round pick. We should've drafted the best available corner an then grabbed an iLB later

Corner, corner, pass rush, oline an then add another corner. Wish list complete lol

  11 hours ago, BallsoHard622 said:

I'm with you with Ryan we would be bananas. He's a way better passer than flacco an I believe flacco benifited from a talented team with some HOf on it an some real good pieces around him to win the Super Bowl. No really good running game an no talent at wr an flacco looks crap...period.

Most QB's would look like crud with no running game and no talent at WR.

Your right most would but some can improvise an make up for some of it. Flacco needs it all to perform well.

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  On January 3, 2017 at 5:23 PM, ALSKAN RAVEN FAN said:

  On January 3, 2017 at 5:21 PM, metalraven said:

haha - I know, right? The opponent's offense is on their own 25 and the Ravens CBs are in the tunnel, behind the FG posts.

How many times have we seen it? I mean if its 3rd and 6 our CB's are playing off at least 8-10 yards

 

We have to jam their receivers. It's better than giving them a 5 to 10 yard head start. Our receivers can't off the line because they are jammed.

You can't jam the wr with the corners we have. They are undersized an not talented enough to do that. So that's why pees has them playing a mile away from the line of scrimmage. Until we get better corners you will always see them playing off.

No its not they are big enough to jam J Smith 6-2 and he doesn't jam a midget can jam its pees coaching style and they make the same excuses each year different players same results also this 10 yards off stuff is pees philosophy its been that way since he got hear he doesn't want guys to get beat deep and has them playing scared if they were 10 yards off the ball and weren't supposed to be you would see coaches yelling to them to more up and they would get benched

I understand what your saying but what I'm saying is size does matter in a lot of cases when wr are 6 foot an over 200 pounds. Not all the time but sometimes. A lot of coaches use the off man concept but the difference is those corners are better man an zone corners an can make plays on the ball. Our corners outside of jimmy smith aren't good enough to jam or play zone or off man, ( tavon is good but he's a rookie an will be better down the road).

When you have smaller CB's they actually have 1 advantage over tall receivers jam 1 hand into sternum and it slows them down you just need to knock the timing off a fraction of a second .and you are right about off coverage it is good to mix things up and depends on situation but when the CB is outside the stadium it doesn't work they should be 3 to 5 yards off max to allow time to drive on the ball and recover with pees SOFT and OFF coverage he gives up to much ground for a player to contest a catch 10 yards is just to much you only see it in pees coached defense

Outside the stadium...lmao!! I'm with you but our corners outside of jimmy aren't good with that or anything else.pees has them play off the ball to keep everything in front them so they don't get beat deep. He'd rather them rally up an tackle then get cooked. We need to invest heavily in corners this offseason. Good cover corners will really help our pass rush as well.

  19 hours ago, BallsoHard622 said:

The bottom line is Flacco's mechanics sucked.
1.We didn't replace KO who was a big part of the run game.
2.Our coaching was up an down all year on both sides of the ball.
3.We didn't do nearly enough for years when it came to bringing in quality corners.
4.We've missed on draft picks, Elam max Williams an our second and third round picks this year were a waste. We should've drafted an offensive lineman an a corner instead of the inside lb an def end.

Maxx Williams was hurt and he set rookie records for TEs. Lets not be too hasty to call someone a bust

Not calling him a bust but he hasn't beat out other tight ends on the roster. I didn't think we needed to draft a te at that spot when corner an oline was more important. Especially corner!

I think part of the issue to try to make Flacco into something he isn't is self-inflicted.

Bisciotti wanted to go with Matt Ryan. Say what you want about Ryan's post season record, but if you look at the overall stats I think we can say that Matt might be a better pure passer than Flacco. If you put Matt Ryan on the Ravens, chances are he'd probably go to playoffs and win some as well, maybe even a superbowl. The Falcons never had a great defense. He wanted Ryan so badly he was telling his team to stop "coveting picks" (he used more colorful language) and to trade them to move up to get Ryan at #2.

The front office sold him on Flacco. They said he was the guy. Now, Flacco did a great job when they used him in the proper system. He could manage a game with a good ground game and he could make big plays with the right blend of targets to throw to. He wins a superbowl, he gets paid. Now the front office is trying to prove to their owner how right they were and turn Flacco into something he isn't. Flacco isn't Peyton Manning. Flacco isn't Tom Brady. I do not like Tom Brady on a personal level. But I can't knock what he gets done on the field and he gets it done because he works his butt off. He took the position of his draft and placed that big chip on his shoulder and said, "I'll show them." He studied, studied, studied and continues to study to this day until the day he went all ice in his veins and daggers in his eyes to Drew Bledsoe and was like, "You slipped. You let me play, now you're not getting this job back."

"Cool Joe" doesn't seem to have that same kind of blood. The other thing I don't see is coaches challenging or speaking to their players after an idiotic play. Where's the accountability? Flacco tosses a pick in the endzone in Cincinnati...the cardinal sin. What do you see after that? He's sitting on the sidelines with a tablet that looks like something my 3 year old nephew uses talking to some other player (wasn't even a receiver...think it was a RB) and he's not looking upset at all. In fact he's got a smirk on his face as they talk about something. Where's the OC? Where's the QB coach? Where's the receiver he missed the connection with?

I'm with you with Ryan we would be bananas. He's a way better passer than flacco an I believe flacco benifited from a talented team with some HOf on it an some real good pieces around him to win the Super Bowl. No really good running game an no talent at wr an flacco looks crap...period.

  7 hours ago, BallsoHard622 said:

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  15 hours ago, ALSKAN RAVEN FAN said:

  15 hours ago, metalraven said:

haha - I know, right? The opponent's offense is on their own 25 and the Ravens CBs are in the tunnel, behind the FG posts.

How many times have we seen it? I mean if its 3rd and 6 our CB's are playing off at least 8-10 yards

 

We have to jam their receivers. It's better than giving them a 5 to 10 yard head start. Our receivers can't off the line because they are jammed.

You can't jam the wr with the corners we have. They are undersized an not talented enough to do that. So that's why pees has them playing a mile away from the line of scrimmage. Until we get better corners you will always see them playing off.

No its not they are big enough to jam J Smith 6-2 and he doesn't jam a midget can jam its pees coaching style and they make the same excuses each year different players same results also this 10 yards off stuff is pees philosophy its been that way since he got hear he doesn't want guys to get beat deep and has them playing scared if they were 10 yards off the ball and weren't supposed to be you would see coaches yelling to them to more up and they would get benched

I understand what your saying but what I'm saying is size does matter in a lot of cases when wr are 6 foot an over 200 pounds. Not all the time but sometimes. A lot of coaches use the off man concept but the difference is those corners are better man an zone corners an can make plays on the ball. Our corners outside of jimmy smith aren't good enough to jam or play zone or off man, ( tavon is good but he's a rookie an will be better down the road).

The bottom line is Flacco's mechanics sucked.
1.We didn't replace KO who was a big part of the run game.
2.Our coaching was up an down all year on both sides of the ball.
3.We didn't do nearly enough for years when it came to bringing in quality corners.
4.We've missed on draft picks, Elam max Williams an our second and third round picks this year were a waste. We should've drafted an offensive lineman an a corner instead of the inside lb an def end.

  7 hours ago, ALSKAN RAVEN FAN said:

  7 hours ago, metalraven said:

haha - I know, right? The opponent's offense is on their own 25 and the Ravens CBs are in the tunnel, behind the FG posts.

How many times have we seen it? I mean if its 3rd and 6 our CB's are playing off at least 8-10 yards

 

We have to jam their receivers. It's better than giving them a 5 to 10 yard head start. Our receivers can't off the line because they are jammed.

You can't jam the wr with the corners we have. They are undersized an not talented enough to do that. So that's why pees has them playing a mile away from the line of scrimmage. Until we get better corners you will always see them playing off.

This team wasn't good enough this season especially at corner back. How many years have we been dealing with this problem. Just look at all the games we lost an most of them we lost because our corners are hurt or there getting beat like a drum. Every year we start the season an can't run the ball until the end of the season. Same stuff over an over again but the corner position has been neglected for to long an it keeps kicking us in the butt over an over again.