Darkraven23

just a view up what butler can do

No love for jb i see well i love this young guy out of Tennessee martin he's talented can streak down the sideline and above all if given more time can make a difference n redzone now i know everyone is enthused with waller because he's big but if last saturday was an indication he can be stopped and he is still raw and we must consider the fact that he is similar to touch down tommy now as for perriman basically all he is a torrey smith clone he does nothing different he is a deep threat with a limited route tree and a genetic default right now and im not down on the guy just saying hold ur high hopes till he puts up 100 yards in a game or produce a 1000 yard season like torrey and finally camp is a good kid and i like his abilities but if these injuries continue the 7th round pick may be joining dennis pitta on ir

Its actually ironic i bet if ozzie had to choose between shane ray randy gregory before their issues and melvin gordon more than likely never would have picked up perriman and would have got sammie coates in the second round there was a reason why perriman was available and obviously now we see why because of his genetic condition along side the mental drops no one thought he was a first round talent except ozzie bc if that were the case the wr needy teams like arizona and minnesota would have taken him first round

You know this criticism isn't warranted we all know in his rookie season he did well in place of jameel mclain but his progressed was slowed due to cj mosely taking a lot of his starter reps then after that it was stopped again with zach orr no offense to him so you can't stand out if ur not really given a chance outside of small opportunities so no he isn't a bust he's just finally getting a chance to develop and learn at the nfl level after so many stops

Eisenberg is off his rocker jeremy butler was only targeted 3 times and even then shaub messed that up

ALright just to clear this up Boyle will be fine it takes time just like max williams to develop at the tight end postion secondly Ed dickson was an example of growth taken in 2010 draft before pitta the back up to heap then his break out year in 2011 even catching a touchdown pass from running back ray rice in seattle but injuries happend in 2012 during training camp and he couldnt recover froma thigh injury which every one chalked to lack of confidence while pitta flourished now its reversed and while ed is doing well in carolina as the #2 tight end catching everything and blocking pitta is on the shelf after playing less games at age 30 then ed in two seasons at age 28

yeah its a shame on perriman but not excatly an out loss if jeremy butler could get more involved down field like he has in pratice it would give you the similar production of what could be perriman's speed as for waller pratice squad is likely considering he and marlon brown have similar traits

I think kamar will come on strong and evnetually perriman will be the number 2 down the line because seeing jeremy butler continue from last season before he got hurt his skill set is similar to steve smith sr and because of that he is more likely to replace him when steve retires

I expected as much with bp thats what i was worried about his lack of focus he'll make some good plays but other times he will not know what he's doing and his tweaked knee proves it but nice to hear about steve smith sr and i hope lardarius is on the field soon

rest up and stay focus because other recivers have already been here and wont get tired as easily

ironically bp might be in the same special teams play as jimmy his rookie season

Im think za'darius smith he's a great pass rusher who can only get better think with some much better options right now that perriman will only get on the field for certain plays especially with kamar aikent marlon brown and jeremy butler and more than likely gilmore starts with williams only in two tight end sets

Its a sad notion when we had choice between a 26 yr old and a 28 yr old tight end we took the latter now two years later while ed dickson has found success in carolina after his thigh injury pitta on the other hand has been injured not once but twice on the same hip now at the age of 30 this man is working hard but his body isn't right and he knows that so yes pup is the most rational decision because he may not be the same player anymore and the ravens know that so they are giving more time but if he cant then that decision to cut ed will really be one of ozzie's greatest sacrifices

wow talk no support what so ever for a man thats know for his tackling prowess ive watched some of hill's games and they werent that great week 17 he got beat badly once by terrance west jumping over his tackle another by tailor gabriel on a short route plus he never comes across the formation at the right time besides the saints game even in the game against the pats it wasnt that good especially against gronk. Elam is young and trying to learn his position proficiently and it take time jimmy smith took 3yrs to be a starter so get off the man's back let him develop in peace

Running the ball is part of our system and beneficial in the afc north. going pass happy as we saw in 2012 and 2013 didn't really help and when we have balance like last year we had more success plus the offensive line helped too. I believe with our young vet talent like kamar aiken and marlon brown and jeremey butler we will be in good shape and with the rookies coming in on certain packages so they come along when needed it will all work out so that we continue to be balanced.

I think perriman is talented but in perspective he is more like torrey than Thomas a speedster who excells on crossing routes and getting behind corners but will not always be in the right position which probably wil change over time but i think of jeremy butler when i think of thomas there both big body and break away speed can handle press coverage

Just like Jimmy smith i do see perriman as a possibility to be a returner like torrey started out but i dont see him starting right away from what i hear butler on the other hand he's alot like boldin i could see as the number 2 right away or even rotation with sss because of the similar skil set waller he may have to do some special teams because with marlon brown as a redzone target i dont think waller is completely developed yet like touchdown tommy and for kamar he be a good #2 as well and camp in the slot when healthy is good

I hate getting on my high horse but i must first off think this offense is stable and i think in time not immediately but in time bp and max williams will help as well on the torrey he was a speedster and when joe needed him most he would make the big play that said throwing into double coverage with a corner and saftey in front and behind u is never good idea regardless of the wide reciever unless your megatron at 6'5 and not 6'2 u dont have a shot joe had an open short throw to kamar aiken on the right side if u look and it could have went for the first down and out of bounds instead taking the risk no fault in doing so was a little to soon and we got burnt so having said that the only thing i can think of is its not torrey's fault or joe because as we all forget belicheck is a former defensive coach and finds a way to win. and finally i believe with these young recivers especially brown aiken and butler we have a shot at getting joe out of that 7th teir and a whole lot higher

@LA ravens torrey couldnt affect the placement of flacco's ball her put threw into double coverage when he could have got the easy first down with kamar aiken wide open standing right there waving his arms so dont blame the wr we took a risk and it was bound to be intercepted

Alrite let me clear the air because i think we are getting ahead of ourselves first matt elam good safety at florida no disputing that had a hard time picking up free safety in the nfl but in the end made good tackles and one pick next year after that moved to more strong safety to aggresive on some plays causing missed tackles other mental break downs this year improving mentally more prepared and with competition willing to really put in the effort so no it wasnt a lack of confidence it was trying to do much at once. in respect to ed dickson once again it wasnt a lack of confidence it was he had a thigh injury most of that season which ppl seem to forget hindered alot of his mobility. and finally arthur brown he's doing just what he needs to learn and fit in as well all know normally the ravens rotate first and second team so that everyone gets a chance ex: kamar aiken first team rotates jermey butler rotate perriman. so dont look to much into who is with the first team bc it really doesnt matter until late aug

Basically hensely like always exaggerates on certain things i believe that more than likely and i've been saying this all along perriman will be in some packages because of his speed but more than likely aiken or even butler are more likely the starters and also for some of you that forgot last year the west coast system doesn't really benefit deep threats remember how torrey well less involved only with short quick routes something perriman has yet to develop

The less pressure put on perriman the better in my opion if butler stays healthy he'll get that starting spot and it will be a rotation between steve smith on some snaps with perriman aiken and marlon brown

either way breshad still has to earn it because after all there are other recivers with more experience out there and with his early struggles he has to be mindful of that even if he's not a starter he will still get those reps like aiken and jeremy butler

Glad to hear that Jeremy is still going strong from ota's straight into minicamp and he keeps that up he may earn that starting role

bp definately has some competition even for a 1st round pick he may start onn special teams while jb may get that number 1or 2 wo spot