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Oh and btw we were talking players that their respective teams drafted. Not free agents.

What's the issue stating my opinion? I'm just opening convo to see what ppl think. The sky isn't falling but the lack of talent is catching up to us. Don't even compare us to the pats bc they have a QB that'll be better than we most likely will ever have. Also, just because the raven brought the pats into my argument doesnt mean it's my point. I moreso compared us to the bengals, pack,and steelers.

Every reason you just mention has something to do with drafting. So are we more talented than the pats right now? They went 4-1 without Brady. Imagine if we didn't have flacco. I understand you can't handle the truth about are Ravens. I understand when somebody isn't biased about the Ravens you throw a tantrum like a 2 year old but nobody is making you read or respond to my thread. There's a bunch of Ravens fans who agree with me. I'm not saying the sky is falling and man I hope we make it to the playoffs. All I'm saying is bad or below average drafting will catch up to us.

Looking at the draft you're correct. They just get more out of their players than we do which opens a whole new can of worms.

I'm not worked up man, I'm a sports journalism major and I love football debates. No hard feelings even though you immaturely made this personal.

How so? Just because my opinion isn't biased like "The Raven"doesn't mean it's overblown. And I'm a HUGE Ravens fan. Die hard. I'm not saying we suck. We are consistently competitive but to say our talent isn't starting to fall behind is nonsense.

Nice. The issue I have though is we have to hope our guys become playmakers. When people argue with me about our playmakers they say Dixon could be, Tavon should be, Judon can be. I agree with tavon and Judon but are we sure? They won't even suit Judon for whatever reason. Now, me bringing up diggs and yannick is only to show that they were RIGHT THERE and our scouts missed on them or something. Kind of like we had first dibs on them. I'm not using hindsight for every good player we've missed but to Miss on both of those MD guy sucks. And again for the pats, I've seen Brady take over clearly. Edelman takes over consistently. Jamie Collins would be the best player on our team(I love cj like everybody else but he's not better than Jamie Collins). Donte Hightower is a star as well. Malcolm butler sure did take over the Super Bowl.

Huh? lol Brady, Jamie Collins, Malcolm butler, Edelman, McCourty, pat Chung, Hightower, even Logan Ryan who is rated the best tackling cb in the league just to name a few. If you think we've outdrafted the patriots I doubt you watch any other team besides the Ravens. But then again your name is "The Raven" so it's probably true.

I think it's that we bank on having as many draft picks as possible with confidence that we can hit on some late round talent. It's worked in the past but lately hasn't. Ozzie will cherish a 5th or 6th round pick that we could trade to get a star. When that pick becomes serviceable it works out, but when it's Robert Myers or Reynolds ehh. Usually stacking picks has worked for us but lately not as much.

True, maybe our skill position scouts just aren't that good. This past draft was pretty good but we had 9 or so picks. You better hit at least 3. Do you think we are below, equal, or ahead of the steelers and bengals in the talent department?

Yeah, not sure where the bosa assessment came from. He looked like a grown man on Thursday night.

Thank you, my point exactly. The more we miss, the more we become a team who's going to start buying their team. It has started this year.

Great points. My definition of a playmaker is somebody who can win his one on one consistently. Webb also is a big reason our cap situation is screwed. He had one, maybe 2 good years and since then all I've seen is people saying he's washed up. What has he even done this year? I never see him. We drafted ray Lewis and reed at the end of the first. playmakers are drafted in every single round, not just the first so that excuse doesn't work. How many playmakers on our team right now have we drafted? If Kruger was sooooo much of a playmaker why was he only rotational? Wasn't he behind upshaw who everybody here hated. 2nd round pick by the way

Well said, but im specifically talking playmakers that we've drafted. Not older vets who've been cut by other teams. My main point is recently we haven't drafted our own playmakers and that's why at the end of games we sit there and wait for somebody to make a play, but nobody does. It's worrisome because we've been successful when our draft picks pan out, and every so often we draft a dominant star. The more we whiff, the more we have to buy our team which has never been our MO. Compare our best players on the team that we've drafted to other successful teams. US: CJ, Flacco, TJ, jimmy, yanda, Webb, b will, pitta packers: jordy, AARON RODGERS, clay Matthews, haha Clinton dix, mike Daniels Sam shields , Burnett, Eddie lacy Benglas: Dunlap, AJ green, gio Bernard and Jeremy hill, burfict, iloka, eifert. I could go on but hopefully you see my point. We have quantity, which will keep us in games but not much quality which will keep giving us heart attacks.

There's uproar every single time we lose a productive starter. So you're going to compare reed in his last leg to somebody getting their second contract? You're reaching for your point. lol he's a hall of famer and most likely a big reason you're even a fan. He went to Houston and the jets to collect a check. Why are you acting like I'm saying we haven't drafted any starters? Lol. Again man, we aren't drafting many PLAYMAKERS PLAYMAKERS PLAYMAKERS!!! Name the PLAYMAKERS on our team that WE'VE drafted.

Haha true.

Thank you for actually making a point my man. Very intelligent also I must add. I agree we've gotten some starters from the drafts. How else would we have starters though? My main point though is how many are PLAYMAKERS. Starter doesn't always equal playmaker. I guess what I'm saying is how many draft picks do we have that can constantly win one on one battles? We've even overlooked playmakers that have actually been in our backyard (diggs, boy could we use him), yannick ngakoui(boy could we use him too. I think he sacked flacco twice) those are 5th round playmakers who were right at Maryland. And if Sean Davis(also Maryland)becomes a star in Pitt I'm going to lose my mind!

I've always agreed with some of the things you've said even though you get bashed all day everyday. You actually keep it real most of the time. Respect. Some fans can't deal with the truth, some can.

It's about time! PO fits his playing style perfectly. PISSED OFF!! I swear it seemed like he made 3 or 4 special team tackles in preseason. There was One against the colts(I believe) where he saved a TD. I think the coaching staff is starting to realize they need to put hungry players on the field for special teams.

Oh, and the14 draft gave us two starters jernigan and cj(both of which I mentioned as playmakers in the original post) imnot sure who the third is. Urban? And urshel? He's more into math. A Lewis took his spot pretty soundly. And don't give me the injury thing, who would you rather have starting? Carl Davis got his spot ran by undrafted Michael pierce. Face it, we've whiffed on around 85% of our recent picks

I respect your opinion and you make good points but I'm not sure you understand fully what I'm pointing out. First of all I'll give you McPhee, completely left him out but you're considering a rotational pass rusher (Kruger), average LB(ellerbe), and one trick pony (Torrey). Art jones(really?). You're actually proving my point because if they were such playmakers, they'd be doing just as well on their new squads. The title says drafting team players vs drafting playmakers. Apparently you agree that we've drafted team players. As far as buck ZDS etc who you say "could be " contributors. Coulda shoulda woulda. They've underperformed so far. And I actually like max and ZDS. Buck is a dime a dozen, we could find his production in free agency right now. Maybe take some time to compare who you're considering our playmakers to other teams playmakers and you'll see. Players who play well on your squad but suck on other teams are role players. And FYI, Art, McPhee, Kruger, ellerbe also had REAL playmakers like haloti and two guys named ray Lewis and ed reed playing beside them.

We could have had him or Derrick Henry. Henry fell into our laps, he just looked like a perfect fit for us. But KAMMMAAALLLAAAIIII ??

Idk man Reynolds seemed more like an emotional pick. He looked pretty scared out there in preseason.

Trueeee, but to be fair he did have Mr. butt fumble lol

Yeah man. So proud of him. I'm a student at North Texas and when we got him I knew he'd be serviceable. He was a god out here for the mean green. He's even better than I thought he'd be.