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Tennessee is purportedly interested in Awuzie with their second pick.

1) I think this guys rookie year is reminiscent of Anquan's, in terms of production and immediate impact.

2) slightly ambitious to think he will be there but a nice selection if he happens to be.

3) Dont like it. A straight need pick to me. And one based on projections.

Really a bit of a tweeter. Very good athleticism but I don't see him as being able to hold up on the edge and don't see him as being very physical. Gets overwhelmed in the run game. Not a refined rusher by any stretch. ( believe his name is Tyus).

3) I can see The Ravens taking Pocic but don't care for him as a prospect.

4)seems like a slot guy to me. I do like the player and the motivation but there are a few corners I would take before him in the fourth.

5) Haven't watched this guy

6) If he's available round six this is a value to me.

The more I think about McDowell to Pittsburgh, the more it gives me pause.

He would fit in there. Between guys like Shazier, Tomlin, Harrison and Roethlisberger, I wager they conjure up the best of him in terms of effort.

The residual effect he would have on guys coming off the edge would be a headache, putting it mildly.

McDowell to Pittsburgh is a very bad thing.

5 hours ago, rossihunter2 said:

Don't get me wrong I like Joe Mathis but he's a day 3 guy if ever I saw one - he's a guy who I think can maybe earn snaps setting the edge early in his career but who'll need a lot of work to become a consistent threat on passing downs - the difference between him and takk is athleticism and violence both of which takk is far superior in - Mathis will never dominate whereas takk's ceiling is a dominant guy

Takk being more athletic is extremely obvious.

There is no comparison in terms of who has more skills as a pass rusher. It's Mathis. He wins the edge with technique, with great bend and because he can actually win with his hands and win inside.

If Takk learns what Joe already knows in that regard he will be unstoppable. He has a ways to go to however..

Haason Reddick

TJ Watt (likely a trade required should he fall to second round).

Ahkello Witherspoon 

Bucky Hodges

13 minutes ago, rossihunter2 said:

the injuries worry me a little and i think he's been overhyped too - he doesnt bend with great balance, seems strong in the run game but too easily taken out of the passing game at times - he runs way too straight and with not much in his locker with regards to disengaging or rush moves - he works his hands ok and uses his upper body well to shed blocks in the run game and occasionally bully a pass blocker

he certainly has potential but i definitely dont think his ceiling is as high as you described - he's nowhere near as good a prospect in edge rushing or setting the edge in the run game as tim williams or takk mckinley - i think the 4th round is maybe ok value but i personally dont think he'll be bpa until the 5th to be honest

i think the stanford and oregon games just before his injury made him seem better than he maybe is - especially given that he essentially had sacks in 4 games in a row at that point - im not saying he's a bad prospect but i think he's overhyped

the Oregon and Stanford games didn't make him appear better than he is. He's actually that good.

He actually has a lot of answers rushing the quarterback. Far more than Takkarist. He wins the edge consistently because he understands how to set tackles up.

He does run funny,though.

21 minutes ago, rossihunter2 said:

even without that i say it is bad value to be honest given where i have these players on my board:

forewarning - i know this sounds like hubris but i promise its not

he picks bolles at 25 when i have bolles 30th on my board - and likely we will at minimum get the 23rd player on the board because 1 qb will go ahead of us to the texans who traded us the pick, and another team is likely to take one as well or the trade wouldnt need to happen

he picks anderson at 47 when I have him as the 42nd player on my board - that is feasible i suppose and maybe the right range but we'd be unlucky if we only get our 42nd best player at 47 given that at least 3 and maybe 5 qbs will have gone by then - every other team would literally have to be operating off of my big board for that to happen - this pick is probably fair but i fully expect us to get a late 1st/early 2nd rated guy

obviously it's my board not the raven's board but i cant imagine these guys being BPA at either picks unless the ravens have fallen in love with one of them

pat elflein i think is probably good value on my board at the 57th pick there but i feel like he's a lot lower on many other board members' boards as well as media boards but i think he's good value at 57

witherspoon is even better value that's a great pick

i see no way that switzer is a day 2 pick and certainly not near the top of the 3rd round... he's picked here at 78 - i think i've been kind compared to some members when i have him at 112 on my board which would make him a 4th round pick if everyone used my board as a cheat sheet - i think he likely goes in the 5th but maybe even the 6th - if you want to make sure you get him the 4th would be when to do it - certainly not a day 2 pick

joe mathis is 101 on my board so its fair to take him there in the 4th although again i imagine there will be higher players available when we pick

channing stribling i personally think is a reach but i could see how his value might fluctuate from person to person and team to team given his lack of flexibility in schemes due to his lack of speed and playing time - i think he's fair game in the 6th - he's 170th on my board and we pick at 186 but the 5th feels too rich

jordan westerkamp i dont know much about - i havent watched anything of him so he's not on my board...

i write all of this with the massive proviso that i dont think im right about all of these guys and likely am 100% wrong but the value of all of them just feels to be a little bit low at pretty much every spot - this feels like the kind of draft the seahawks could have and be hailed for finding value towards the back of each round but given our draft spot this feels too rich everywhere except elflein and witherspoon and maybe mathis - but of course that's just... like my opinion... man

obviously context helps but i think the value of these guys is such that even without context we can judge it ok

Sounds like hubris. 

Have you actually watched Mathis?

17 minutes ago, RavensDieHard21 said:

I get that the board changes in the 20s and that we need a better offensive line, but Bolles is a project. There are still likely to be other safer or more electric picks at 25, such as Jabrill Peppers, Tim Williams, Marlon Humphrey, Malik McDowell, etc. 

I like Elflein and Witherspoon in their slots, but Anderson might be a reach. I do think however that he is a very underrated player and could be worth it in the second. 

...also would probably take McDowell over Bolles, the others, no. I considered Tim Williams but opted for Anderson/Mathis

56 minutes ago, Sami84 said:

What about Jordan Willis? Anyway this is one of the many scenarios you've put up..eventually one had to be meh

That's funny.

Jordan Willis in which spot?

1 hour ago, Sami84 said:

not a great draft IMO.

 

No game changers here.

Understand that in this scenario, guys like Reddick, Davis,etc. are all off board at 16.

I get your point but this draft dramatically changes our offensive line thus changing the game significantly.

TRADE IN ROUND ONE: RAVENS SWAP FIRST ROUND SELECTION WITH HOUSTON, GARNERING ADDITIONAL SECOND ROUND PICK (57).

Houston moves to get quarterback in front of Redskins.

ROUND ONE (25), RAVENS SELECT :

GARETT BOLLES- TACKLE, UTAH

This guy is supremely athletic. This isn't simple hyperbole. He really is special athletically. Plays with nasty edge.

I'm not sure how he shakes out position wise. I suspect at right tackle but I think he would fit anywhere on the line. Needs to add weight and become stronger but adds versatility and great athleticism.

ROUND TWO, RAVENS SELECT:

RYAN ANDERSON - OLB, ALABAMA

Just a Raven type player through and through. Tough, non stop physical football player. Powerful hands jolting tackles. Assignment sound and undervalued off the edge.

ROUND TWO, ( From Texans), RAVENS SELECT:

PAT ELFLEIN - C/G, OHIO STATE

Another versatile lineman. Will start at center.

ROUND THREE, RAVENS SELECT:

AKHELLO WITHERSPOON, DB, COLORADO

Big surprise, I know. Terrific corner.

ROUND THREE, RAVENS SELECT:

RYAN SWITZER, WR, NORTH CAROLINA

Not sure if this is a bit rich but I don't think it's worth waiting to find out. Will be as productive as projected first round receivers from this draft out of the slot. Joe will love playing with this guy.

ROUND FOUR, RAVENS SELECT:

JOE MATHIS, OLB, WASHINGTON

Injuries and limited tape are the only question marks I have for this guy.

A Better overall player than Tim Williams, better pass rusher than Takkarist McKinley. A steal if he's healthy. The thought of he and Anderson together......

ROUND FIVE, RAVENS SELECT:

CHANNING STRIBBLING, DB, MICHIGAN

a favorite of mine. Long...good ball skills. Good awareness in run game. Needs more weight.

ROUND SIX, RAVENS SELECT:

JORDAN WESTERKAMP, WR, NEBRASKA

Fearless over the middle, great hands. Very competitive. Will high point ball and routinely wins in tight space and contested 50/50 situations.

Joe Mathis is a PERFECT fit for ravens at OLB.

He is one of the more evolved pass rushers in this class.

Great hand fighter, constantly working hands to gain advantage.

Bends edge..wins a multitude of ways. He's too much for tackles he faces and constantly brings pressure. 

Tons of pop in his hands. Literally puts tackles on their butt with violence.Routinely jolts them backwards.

Can't believe no one's talking about this guy. Watch him vs. Stanford. Watch him beat the tackles that handled Takk (who I like).

Sets the edge, gets off blocks and makes stops in the run game.

Has injury history and very limited time to this point.

More complete player than many early round edge rushers right now. Can't believe this guy is getting no mentions.

I was high on him a few months ago but just re watched. If convinced about medical he is an absolute and unadulterated bargain where he is projected.

2 hours ago, ravensnation5220 said:

I will have a dream of who we draft and that dream will come true

The past 2 drafts ive had dreams of who we picked and ironically both dreams ended up becoming true, of course the stanley pick was more of a nightmare at first but its looking like a great pick now

still waiting on this dream....lol

Ok. Now I don't feel quite so silly admitting this.

A month ago I dreamed we drafted Jonathan Allen.

McDowell ( if he's straight) to anyone in division...particularly Steelers 

1 hour ago, arnie_uk said:

In a game the qb couldn't hit a barn door? Think Ross scored that game as well

Not on Witherspoon but you know that. Ross is a handful...electric quick, you'll get no argument from me. Witherspoon is more than up for the challenge.

23 minutes ago, arnie_uk said:

John ross. Could be unplayable. Think Jimmy could handle davis and Williams quite well

All we have to do is draft Witherspoon.

He handled Ross nicely.

Reddick to the Steelers would kill me.

39 minutes ago, RaineV1 said:

Barnett if he goes to the Bengals. If he becomes as good as some think he will be then Stanley is going to have his hands full.

Barnett would have his hands full with Stanley.

Dalvin Cook is a steal for whoever takes him. 

Tampa trades their third round pick  to Baltimore in order to jump Washington and procure Dalvin Cook.

I'm a big fan of two DB'S coming out of this.

Ardarius Stewart to me is great value. I prefer him to both Jones and certainly Godwin who are projected second round guys.

You lose me at Noah Brown. Would definitely have gone somewhere else...if I'm doubling up again in this draft it is on the edge.

Toth is one of my guys...no telling where he goes but I would be nervous past round five if he was someone I was targeting.

Outside of Toth, the offense doesn't come out far ahead in this draft....this year at least.

This could just as well be posted in, " under the radar" or, "bold predictions".

JORDAN WESTERKAMP, WR, NEBRASKA

Impressive prospect at six foot, one ninety.

Exceptional hands, highly competitive and skilled route runner. Shows ability to get off press with hands and with quickness.

Fearless over the middle...catches everything. Competes for and wins in jump ball situations. High points football. Tough.

Coming off meniscus tear in December and has not worked out for teams.

Could go undrafted as a result but strikes me as a player who will be very productive, primarily as a possession/slot receiver, though I believe he can be successful part time on the outside.

Very surprised to not hear his name. I have a 3- 4th round grade on him but am thinking he could be viewed as a guy who can be had later.

Ross is the first receiver taken.

Ozzie trades back in rounds 2 and 3.

Ravens draft Chris Wormley 

Ozzie would take those first four picks. The more I see Elflein talked about in round three, the more I begin to believe it. 

Really, landing four starters up front is entirely possible. Nice mock.

I would be great with the first four but go elsewhere after that. Definitely not McDermott which feels only as a need type pick.