Edgar

Corey Davis

Hoping for Reddick

2 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

Smith had top 10 talent and later round character issues. Humphrey is a clean prospect.

I've heard it said that he was top 15 talent....still kind of subjective but assuming he was,  he still doesn't start year one( or two) and if our first round selection at 16 is a core special teams player it isn't a good pick to me.

I could be wrong....maybe he starts opposite Jimmy year one but he has substantial concerns in man coverage.

18 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

You know who else this scouting report describes to a T? Jimmy smith as a draft prospect. They are very similar and as a rookie jimmy had alot of the same concerns. He was better in man coverage because he could bump and run so well, but as a rookie he bit on double moves often, panicked when he lost a step, and struggled to turn his head to play the ball, and eventually he developed some off style coverage game, learned NFL receivers ways, and stopped biting on double moves, he also has gotten very good at turning to locate the ball, not the best ball skills but he gets his hand on the ball to knock it away as well as any corner in the league. 

Marlon Humphrey is one of those guys that really just needs some coaching because none of his problems are deal breakers because they can all be improved relatively easily

Jimmy took two years to begin to work out these concerns.....he was better than Humphrey coming out and went late 1st.

2 hours ago, BmoreBird22 said:

 I would never say he has poor awareness. He's got some of the best awareness and route recognition in the draft. I think the biggest issue for me is he's so quick to open his hips and turn to run because he doesn't turn his head and play the ball well. Keep the play in front and let him see the ball and he's great. 

Know another corner who struggled when the play got behind him and bit on double moves? Jimmy Smith.

I see the massive potential and scheme fit and I love him here.

Jimmy smith was drafted 27th overall. This is about the range I would take Humphrey.

4 hours ago, LosT_in_TranSlatioN said:

I've been giving it more thought since I've recently read reports about us having interest in Cam Robinson and....

 

Yeah Cam Robinson would still be terrible. Probably the worst pick we could make. And I have this gut feeling we take him. Say what you want about the Correa pick last year, I think given the success that Zach Orr had last year that Correa could hack it at ILB at a pretty decent level like Orr did. 

 

So Ozzie. You don't take Larmey Tunsil, clearly a superior physical talent and has a higher ceiling than Stanley because of drug concerns(a move I actually agree with. I don't need my players being the next Randy Gregory/Josh Gordon), but Robinson has drug concerns and there are reports out that we really like him? Freaking hypocrite. Tunsil had upside. Robinson does at guard, but he has a low floor. I swear to god when he takes him... 

 

But yeah. I'd like to add a name to the list: Christian McCaffery. Not that I hate him as a prospect, in fact, I like him a lot, but we have far more pressing needs. I know he's rumored to go in the top ten(and when the Panthers take him I will LOL), but I highly doubt he does and think he will be avaliable then. I'd be upset, but live with the solace that I think he's gonna be a good player.

 

 

So let me ask this then

 

Who would you be upset with in the second round?

 

Me: Any RB really. Any dlinemen since I'm not impressed by most of them. I think that Kevin King and Jalen Tabor are overrated. 

 

 

Yeah. 

 

@-Truth-

 

Cam Robinson has overtaken James Harden on my personal hate scale. 

The proof is ultimately in the play. I can understand not wanting Cam at sixteen but if midway through the season, we are moving and scoring the football, if Joe has ample time to make reads and if it appears we have two stalwart bookends for the next five years, all will be well.

Sometimes the context of a full draft, rounds 1-6 can soften a disappointing first round selection. And a little distance can and add perspective.

7 hours ago, BmoreBird22 said:

I think Humphrey is a perfect fit for the Tampa 2 and Cover 3 that the Ravens use. Great route recognition, decent enough hips to break on balls, great length and speed; just panics with his head turned. Put him in a position where he can work his man to the sideline and keep the play in front of him and I think he'll do well. He won't make it out of round one with Seattle and I fully expect him to go much higher.

I just can't see the Ravens going day one OT. Apparently the Ravens are high on Wesley and they have Lewis as a dark-horse out at RT. It's not that I think Cam is a bad prospect. I actually think he's better than most people give him credit for. It's just that I don't think the Ravens would pass over a CB, WR, or OLB for an OT.

I think that with Barnett, he's probably in the early 20's for me as a prospect, but when I did this, the needs of teams just kind of had him being passed over. Of the teams that I had passing over him, I would have said Giants, Cowboys, Packers, and Steelers. 

With Reddick, I love the player. I think he's going to be one of the better players to come out of this draft. I just think he fits better in the 4-3 as an OLB. I'm not sure his best fit is 3-4 OLB and I see little value in taking a second ILB. 

If we take a corner that high, I'd have to be able to trust him in man.  I'm not comfortable with Humphrey.

He bites on double moves from guys I've never heard of. Gets panicky when someone gets a step, doesn't turn to find ball and has poor awareness.

You often see him lose right off the line to quick receivers. His limitations in man are covered at times by Alabama's ability to get to the quarterback....I see him beat but quarterback is running for his life.

I do see his potential and I love his physicality but don't get him that early.

2 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

I am not the biggest fan of Davis. I think he's going to have a rough transition to the actual competition of the NFL. He was in a conference where he was bigger, faster, and stronger than most people he played against. I think he only went over 100 yards two times in the seven times he played power five conference teams.

I like Reddick, but see no value in taking another ILB in the first. The Ravens churn out UDFA's like there's no tomorrow.

Allen has major shoulder issues, apparently, and I think he's in for a big draft day slide. 

I see zero chance of the Ravens taking another OT in the first. 

Cook has a DV in his past and the Ravens have said they won't consider that.

Not a fan of Barnett like most here. He lacks lateral agility, good bend, burst, and explosion. That isn't a good recipe to be an NFL edge rusher.

It wouldn't surprise me if The Ravens took Cam. Certainly see it as greater than a zero chance.

I would say I'm not as high on Barnett as most everyone else seems to be but I don't see him falling to the end of round one.

Reddick would definitely be my first choice in this scenario.

How do you imagine Humphrey being used year one?

9 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

Peterman, from what I've heard, is being viewed in a similar light as Prescott as a later round guy capable of starting early. I think he and Kaaya are both forgotten in the shuffle.

I really don't understand the hate for Humphrey.

I like Peterman. I think he goes earlier but, you could be right.

I don't hate Humphrey, just would flip if we took him over Davis, Reddick, Jonathan Allen, Barnett, Robinson, Bolles, Cook......

Humphrey to me is more of a late one, early two pick to me.

If we take Humphrey at 16 I am officially "sunsetting" my posts approximately one week after the draft.

Not to mention the guys you still have available.

2 like Lawson 

It would surprise if petermen gets too far beyond round two.... I do like the player and would consider him earlier.........and Moton where you have seems unrealistic.

I appreciate you going at your mock from a different perspective than most but can't get on board with Humphrey there.

I see it as more likely Barnett is on the board than Corey Davis.

It will surprise me to see Tim Williams available mid two.

Round six I like a lot.

That's sort of why I brought it up though. If someone you have ranked as a first round player is there and he is by the teams estimation, "a playmaker", then it ought to be a consideration.

And, certainly the player selected in round one carries weight in deciding. This is self evident. And, you're right, all of this is "meaningless" fodder to an extent but all of this indulges in the hypothetical. so does imagining the list of players you mentioned might be around to select or not.

It may not be as prohibitive to move as you think. Moving all the way to one according to trade value chart ( as nothing more than a guideline) would simply cost a third rounder and according to the numbers, most likely yield a fourth or at least a fifth in return...to go to pick one.

So, if you had a coveted player at 38 as you suggest, and you could get an early four in return........

You pick the player....mine are incomplete and mere suggestion. 

21 minutes ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

But thats my point... its looking like the fall off in talent from round 2 to early 3 isnt very significant for the most part.

And id rather come away with 3 very highly rated players than 2.

You won't get Foster, Watt, McDowell (fill in your favorite early 2 late 1 prospect) in the third round.

Unless you uncover a gem that no one anticipated, your not going to get as impactful a player in the third round.

13 hours ago, rossihunter2 said:

I guess it's just that I see the colts front office as essentially having a mandate from ownership to draft lineman (either offense or defense) because that's what got grigson fired

i think they're more likely to draft an rb in the 2nd or 3rd (maybe a guy like foreman) and I think they'll be looking for a downhill runner more than mccaffey

If that's the case, then they have a mandate to draft even more lineman.

2016

Ryan Kelly, C

Leraven Clark, T

Joe Haeg, T/G

Austin Blythe, C

Hassan Ridgeway, DT

1 hour ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

I dont know that id trade up in the 2nd. I definitely wouldnt if it costs us one of our 3rds. Maybe a 4th.... maybe.

This draft is just too loaded with positions of need in the 2nd and 3rd rounds.

I see trading back in the 2nd as a much more likely scenario to try and pick up another 3rd.

 

And naming specific targets to trade up for depends entirely on who we go with in the 1st. For example, if Barnetts gone and we grab Williams/Davis.... and the pass rushers start flying off the board end of 1st/early 2nd... and it gets to the point where a Tim Williams, Carl Lawson, TJ Watt or Jordan Willis is the only top tier edge rusher left on the board -- then id probably look at trading up because im placing a very heavy importance on coming away from the draft with someone who has the potential to be a top notch edge rusher.

But, if theres several guys available still im not doing it.

If somehow a guy like Cam Robinson is still sitting there at pick 40; i might think about it.

 

Other than that... i fully expect there to be 1 or 2 of the WR's id be happy with still available 2nd/3rd round (Juju, Godwin, Kupp, Zay Jones); a few CBs (Sidney Jones, Q Wilson, Moreau, Witherspoon, Tabor); and some OL (Feeney, Dawkins, Elflein, Dorian Johnson).

While trading up could mean we get a slightly better prospect at one of those positions, it hurts our chances of walking away with a very good prospect at all those positions.

An exceptional talent trumps (to me), a third round selection that fills a positional need. Particularly if the player in the third round is a developmental special teams player year one.

I agree it's more likely we trade down in round two.

6 hours ago, LosT_in_TranSlatioN said:

Sorry for the late response. But no... Just no.

 

1. Zachary Orr was far and away the most overrated defensive player on the team last year. I know that everyone here loved him, but as @-Truth- and @BmoreBird22 pointed out, Orr got a ton of those tackles because Mosely ate the blockers and allowed Orr to run free. Orr was a decent ILB, but my god was maybe the most undeserving all pro I've ever seen. If there's on thing that pisses me off more than the Jernigan trade, it's the fans who say that CJ Mosely is "just another guy", and Orr had a better season. Nope. When Orr was thrusted into the #1 ILB spot because of CJ's injury, he struggled mightily. There's no surprise why. CJ made the defense work. He's our biggest asset going forward and there's no question about it. He's gonna be a Raven for life. 

 

2. There is no way in hell we would have gotten anything less than a fourth rounder from Jernigan comp pick wise. Even with his inconsistencies, a player with his talent would easily command $6.5 million on the open market. Which btw, given that our cap situation is significantly better next season, we could have easily afforded to keep him. That obviously wasn't in our plans(which is foolish and I'll explain why in the next point), but the return absolutely SUCKED. If we had traded him outright for that Eagles third rounder and not given up our own pick, you would hear 0 complaints from me and I'm a huge Jernigan fan. In my eyes, that'd be a solid trade.

 

3. Sorry. But we picked the wrong guy. Timmy Jernigan was an inconsistent pass rusher, but was a consistently excellent run defender who fit the defense well and was young. I'd rather have a guy who is very inconsistent as a pass rusher like Jernigan, but when he's hot he turns it on, then a guy who only plays 80% of the snaps. Given that the nfl has evolved into more of a passing league, Jernigan's ability to play three downs makes him, at least in my eyes, a more valuable commodity. I know he flat out dissapeared at times, but it's not like he was getting any help either. If we had more of a pass rush, I think we would have seen more pressures and sacks from the man. He's not an all pro, he's not even a pro bowler. But finding a defensive lineman who can rush the passer at a decent level is harder than most people think. And we just traded away our proven/best guy. For pennies on the dollar. 

 

4. Finally, the returns are idiotic. Timmy Jernigan playing next to two very good pass rusher is probably gonna have a season where he gets 6-8, possibly 10 sacks. The Eagles would probably be inclined to sign him again afterwards, for a sizeable contract but one that'd be well deserved, and they suddenly have one of the better defensive tackle tandems in the league, and they basically gave up nothing to get him. I don't give a damn if he is inconsistent, trading up 20 spots and giving away your best pass rusher, even if he is a locker room problem, is a HORRIBLE return. It literally makes no sense from a logical standpoint. The Eagles paid pennies for a dude who as a total package is an above average player, and they move down and still get to keep a pick in the round. I can personally guarentee you that Timmy, especially as a proven commodity thus far, is going to be better than at least 90% of the players drafted in the third round this year. 

 

I could go on and on about why this trade was totally and utterly idiotic, but honestly, it's post 4/20 in the state of Colorado. I'm going to bed lol

You forgot about Jake Butt 

I would trade a third round pick to get Watt in a second (assuming I would have to move to the browns spot to do it)....McDowell in a little more than a second

2 minutes ago, trevorsteadman said:

I have a different view, I think he is a top 5 playmaker in this draft. I think he is still taken early. The combine incident was really stupid and was a bad day all around for him. Luckily the Ravens have Bama ties.

Teams have concerns about his long term health as well. There are reports he might need a second shoulder surgery.

Starting to make Tim Williams appear a safe pick.

8 hours ago, rossihunter2 said:

I think if we trade up its for a falling corner like Quincy Wilson - tbh I think I'd be more inclined to trade up at the top of the 3rd to get a guy who feel out of round 2 completely

of the guys you listed I thsink Tim Williams,  tj watt and Malik mcdowell are the interesting ones - even with the drugs test foster won't fall out of the 1st and Budda  baker (as good as he is) doesn't seem like a guy that should be traded up for

I don't know about Foster at this point. Hard to imagine someone not taking him late in the first at least but if he falls that far it's a possibility.

His medical and face to face sit downs probably determine that more than his diluted sample but this doesn't help him either.

2 hours ago, hn68wb4 said:

I'm just going through some pro day stuff from the guys we've met with on this list and Keion Adams had a pretty impressive day

Height: 6’ 2”

Weight: 247 pounds

Hand: 9.5 inches

Wingspan: 78.25 inches 

Bench press: 27 x 225 pounds - One of the knocks on him is that he lacks strength, 27 reps is great for him

Vertical jump: 36 inches

Broad jump: 10 feet, 4 inches

40 time: 4.68 seconds

Short 20 shuttle: 4.35 seconds

60 yard shuttle: 11.12 seconds - would have been the best at the combine

Pretty great numbers for a mid/late round prospect, tape shows some solid bend and great quickness. Isn't really one to string pass rush moves together though. I wouldn't be mad if we grabbed this guy with our 5th or 6th.

He strikes me as a guy the Ravens would like as well. He met with each team in our division and worked out privately with the Steelers.

Could be a bit of a sleeper pick taken way earlier than we suppose.

5 hours ago, Maryland said:

Adoree Jackson, Zay Jones, Watt

Those tend to be my favorite round 2 targets when I do those computer mocks lol

I'm really not crazy about any of the projected 2nd receivers. But do you think Zay Jones goes before our pick?

I wouldn't expect we would need to move quite as far or give up quite as much.

Theoretically, the second of our third round selections would more than get us to the top of the second round. Or perhaps a fourth or even a fifth might do the trick if the move was not so fantastic.

In any case, who are the players you would move to get ? How far would you move and what you trade to procure ?

Some players who could be available;

Tim Williams

Budda Baker

TJ Watt

Rueben Foster

Malik McDowell

Dalvin Cook

6 hours ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

Agreed.

The series of events or coincidences that would need to take place to get a diluted sample naturally are honestly hard to do... and as you said, if it is an honest mistake will be proven so 99.9% of the time with a 2nd test.

You literally have to be downing water at a really high rate leading right up to the minute you take the test to naturally come up with a diluted sample.

 

 

Sidenote -- didnt jernigan have a diluted test at the combine? Or am i thinking of someone else?

It was Jernigan. 

Has anybody watched/formed an opinion on Marcus Maye?

Walter Football also linking McCaffrey to the BENGALS,  jets and Panthers inside top ten.

7 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

Second round or second pick?

At 18 overall according to Tony pauline 

Could be going WR with 1st . Makes sense if they presume all 3 wideouts  gone by their pick at 18.

They also are apparently high on Conley there.