On 1/3/2017 at 0:14 PM, Ravensfan23 said:I get all the backlash about this move coming off the season the team just had, but imo coaches can only do so much. These players have to do some soul searching this off-season and be honest with themselves. Marty didn't put Zuttah and Ducasse in position to have so many penalties. Marty isn't the guy out there not getting separation. Now does scheme have a lot to do with it yes, but I've seen plenty of times where SSS, Aiken and Pitta were matched up with LBs in 3rd situations and couldn't win. I've seen Dixon and West miss blitz pickups. How many throws that should have been made did we see Flacco miss?
@rmw10 I agree that situational football has to improve. That's all Marty, but the discipline of the offense needs to improve. The effort needs to improve. Pitta just looked disinterested in blocking at all. That already puts you in a disadvantage in the run game.
Marty needs to be consumed with improving this offense, but these players better do their part as well.
I also think that it is a combination of these coaches not utilizing their personnel properly as well.
Not one receiver on the roster is "that guy" to me. Not one! Middle of the pack cats.
On Monday, Head Coach John Harbaugh was asked whether the Ravens’ three losing seasons over the past four years is a result of having a quarterback gobbling up a large chunk of the salary cap, limiting the teams’ ability to retain key free agents or sign others off the market.
“Yes, there is no question about it,” Harbaugh said before outlining the two scenarios that successful teams typically have.
Either a team has the young quarterback who is playing well on his cheaper rookie deal with other established veterans around him, or a team has a high-priced quarterback who essentially carries the team. Yes, he takes up a lot of salary space, but he is supposed to raise the level of those lower-priced players around him.
So the truth is finally confirmed by the coach huh?
On 1/2/2017 at 8:02 PM, Grapple Raven said:This article makes me sad. I think Kamar is a good WR and could offer a lot to this team. Kamar's treatment kind of reminds me of they way they treated Boldin.
The man went from being a main receivers with a few TD's last season to a nobody this season. What a drop off!
On 1/2/2017 at 9:22 PM, Ugly Ball said:I kind of got the same impression.
I'd bet Belicheat would find more uses for him.
He'd use him properly and have Aiken looking like a pro bowl receiver.
On 1/3/2017 at 9:31 AM, whobilly said:He's going to the team that over pays him. It's that simple.
Nothing wrong with that! Go get that $$$.
18 hours ago, Grapple Raven said:As for changes to the coaching staff, I may be in the minority here but:
The rushing stats since Castillo was brought in in his first full season in 2013-2014:
2013-0214: 30th in rushing yards, 30th in rushing yards per game, 32nd in rushing yards per attempt.
2015-2016: 26th in rushing yards and 26th in rushing yards per game, 24th in rushing yards per attempt.
2016-2017: 28th in rushing yards, 28th in rushing yards per game, 21st in rushing yards per attempt.
The one outlier was 2014-2015 when Kubiak was here with Dennison helping installing Kubiak's strategies with the offensive line:
2014-2015: 8th in rushing yards, 8th in rushing yards per game, 7th in rushing yards per attempt.
You have to ask the question is this why we aren't running the ball more? Because we can't run it with any success? We had lesser backs than probably what Castillo had in all those years, especially since Kubiak's year was without Ray Rice and he did much better. What is Harbs seeing in those stats or is he blinded by loyalty? Castillo might can coach fundamentals and technique, but he has no business being in charge of a run game, offensive line or whatever the hell title Harbs gives him to justify his job. The common denominator in the stats above is Castillo. This is beyond ridiculous.
He may be Grapple. In nearly all of his pressers, he mentions being or always being "friends" or "pals" with coaches and players.
Waiting and watching...![]()
27 minutes ago, Johnny-U said:The 2016 Ravens came within inches of being the 3rd seed in the AFC. While I am not happy about "just missing", making major changes because we came up inches short will make us more like Cleveland than New England.
Who says?
17 minutes ago, Grapple Raven said:We didn't even re-arrange the deck chairs on the Titanic for 2017, smdh!
Grapple, everything flows from the top down! Same leadership at the top....same results on the field! SMH!!
1 hour ago, BigUgly said:So let's take a stroll down Martyball OC Memory Lane.
2011 - Eagles: 8-8, 280 pts (last in division)
2012 - Eagles: 4-12, 280 pts (last in division)
2013 - Jets: 8-8, 290 pts (last in division)
2014 - Jets: 4-12, 283 pts. (last in division)
See any patterns?
That's some UgLy stuff!
Same coaches, same losing mindset, same lame excuses for why they can't get it done. Brace yourselves!
1 hour ago, J.O.14 said:No. But you don't have to be a "go to guy" to be a playmaker. Wallace is a playmaker. Without SSS, our go to would be Pitta.
Wallace is a decent receiver but definitely not a "go to guy" or a legit "playmaker" in my personal view. Now that SSS is gone....which receiver can you truly hang your hat on and say hands down that "this cat brings it every game?"
56 minutes ago, bioLarzen said:WR's whose primary trick is speed are seldom go-to guys. Those are usually mid-range guys: possession receivers and TE's. "By default" Flacco's go-to guys now should be Pitta.
Interesting! Because in my view, Antonio Brown fits the category of being a "go to guy," "speedster" and "playmaker" all rolled up into one. And a few other receivers fit that description to me as well (i.e. Julio Jones, A.J. Green).
48 minutes ago, DBsRAVENS said:Our go to guy is already, run 3 yards and turn around, catch and fall down Pitta!
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12 minutes ago, whobilly said:Agree with you for the most part. Maybe toss Wallace in. Some Fans over evaluate talent just like the coaching staff does. We have a few IMPACT Players and LOTS of Roster Fillers.
9 minutes ago, Molson Man said:Wallace leads the team in 50+ yard receptions, that sounds like a playmaker to me. Kyle is the best fullback per pro football focus. So I'd give him three on his list including Smith Sr.
I like Wallace but he's just not that, "playmaker" cat to me.
Going forward w/o SSS, would you guys consider Wallace to be your "go to guy?"
31 minutes ago, donkeyking64 said:This offense probably had the most playmakers in the history of any Ravens offense.
Steve Smith Sr
Mike Wallace
Breshad Perriman
Kyle Jusyczk
Terrance West
Kenneth Dixon
Dennis Pitta
Darren Waller who probably outplayed Max Williams in his small handful of games compared to Max's 2015 season
John Boyle never does bad things when he's on the field
What more do you need. Josh McDaniels, Mike McCarthy, Sean Payton, Gary Kubiak - all those coaches would kill to have this personnel. These are coaches who are accustomed to playing with 3rd and 4th stringers or castoffs that wouldn't make starting lineups anywhere else. In fact, if Crockett and Ben Watson don't get injured, some of these guys would have been playing key downs for another team
In my humble opinion, that's more than enough talent to move the ball and get 1st downs. Any high school coach could dial up some plays against the most complex Rex Ryan or Chuck Pagano defense and still manage to convert 3rd downs.
What the heck more do people want on offense
You may need to elevate your thinking as to what true "playmakers" are cause ONLY Steve Smith, Sr. fits that description.
On 12/30/2016 at 4:34 PM, ravens rule said:It's like we forgot the guy had 17 sacks a couple years ago.
Cause it was a couple of years ago. This is a what have you done for me lately league.
2 hours ago, codizzle said:Well one of them needs to step up and claim it
I like Gilmore.
3 hours ago, Tank 92 said:Never mind Mili. lol
Typical Tank. lol
HAPPY NEW YEAR!! ![]()
2 hours ago, stampedehero said:Mil Over a few hundred miles away, the Browns had more ambition then US.
The 1-14 Browns who definitely played in a meaningless game as well as the Ravens was ballin' vs the Steelers Stamp.
9 minutes ago, Willbacker said:R.E.L.A.X................
Fixed it for ya! ![]()
4 hours ago, Davesta said:Post Ray Lewis / Ed Reed era, John harbaugh did what? Miss playoffs 3 of 4 years. So I wonder if it was even him or was it Lewis and Reed who motivated / carried the team.
Harbaugh doesn't know how to evaluate and improve young talents, often having to rely on old vets. Our top WRs are always FA vets we bring in. Why isn't maxx being used more? Cutting brooks and keeping Kendrick Lewis..really? Keeping Hester out there for that long into the season.
John will probably get another year, I just hope he gets a great OC and Fire pees and his prevent defense. Whenever we get a lead, pees goes into it, drives me crazy. Wish we could just stay agressive.
You know the answer to that question! C'mon now! ![]()
On 12/28/2016 at 8:23 PM, RedFire said:Playoff Joe is the truth! If we can carry the man to the post season he turns into a HOFer!
"If we can carry the man to the post season?" Are you serious???
On 12/29/2016 at 2:17 AM, Ravens4Real said:To the person who made this thread, pathetic.
The last sentence is also hilarious. "If we can carry Joe to the playoffs", the guys is getting paid $20 million a year. Should anyone be having to carry him to the playoffs??
THANK YOU!!
On 12/29/2016 at 11:21 AM, AsianRice said:It's a team sport so he can't do that by himself, can he?
Even Rodgers can't even do it if his WR couldn't catch the ball or his defense collapse on the lead.
It takes 3 phases to win on Sunday.
It is a team sport. So, when his "team" was 4-6, Aaron Rodgers, the QUARTERBACK or the so-called "leader" and "face" of the franchise came out and made the following statement to the press; "I feel that we can run the table. I really do!" He then elevated his own gameplay as the QB in those remaining games and his teammates followed his lead. Look where they are now!
3 hours ago, The Raven said:Ya know, the Bengals had nothing to play for either, and they still showed up. They were playing for their coach. I didn't see any of that from out guys.
I agree! Way too many excuses being made for the Ravens piss poor gameplay today!
45 minutes ago, Tank 92 said:Ummmmm.........you know. They didn't get knocked out of the playoffs on the last play of the game on Christmas Day? You know.....when it looked like they had a chance to be in the playoffs with a minute left in that game? Kinda like.......They faught their tales off in a hated opponents stadium for 59 minutes only to come away with zero? You can't get with that train of thought?
It's not that I can't get with that specific train of thought. That just comes off as another weak-minded excuse for the Ravens piss poor game play to me. I get all of that hard fought loss on Christmas Day against their hated rival and in their stadium jargon. However, the reality is that these are extremely well paid professionals that have a job to do and knew it had to get done. They get the schedule prior to we fans so they knew that they'd be on the road and away from their families and friends during both Christmas Day and the New Year.
The Bengals also had nothing to play for from an emotional and a playoff standpoint and yet, found a way to get up for that game against their foes and sent them a message in doing so. Maybe being in front of their fans gave them extra motivation? But, remember, the Ravens also had motivation to play well....they talked all week long about finishing with a "winning" season of 9-7 and then of course there's....Steve Smith, Sr. They came out with a blah attitude and mindset and it showed in their gameplay.
13 minutes ago, Tank 92 said:I said it elsewhere..... These guys are humans and not machines. They had a tough, hard faught win pulled away from them in the last seconds on Christmas Day that ended their season. Whether they wanted it to or not, that had to have a huge negative effect on the effort today in a game that really meant nothing.
So how do you explain the 5-9-1 Bengals performance today? You know...since they also had to play in this "mean nothing" game as well?
17 minutes ago, rmcjacket23 said:I mean I partially understand and also don't care. I agree that the devastating loss from a week ago easily played a big factor into motivation, but at the end of the day, there were a lot of guys out there playing for a job, playing time, etc. today. Personnel are evaluated exponentially harder than coaches are, and there's a lot of guys that are fringe NFL starters, veterans who we have tough decisions to make on, etc. that didn't play particularly well today, and FO will almost certainly look to a game like this to measure their resolve and desire.
People can justify their performance any way they want and I'm sure there's dozens of factors that played into it, but they are still professionals and are still responsible for being prepared and playing hard. I didn't see much of either of that today, and it will resonate long into the offseason.
Especially at the coaching level. Its a huge red flag that the coaching staff couldn't seem to motivate well today.
It's been like that nearly all season. Again, what we saw today from my view was nothing new. Our coaches seem to be uninspiring not just today but in general.
6 minutes ago, OUravensfan said:This game means nothing except that is was a microcosm and brutal demonstration of our season's defining flaws, we knew our needs and weaknesses coming in and this game didn't change any of that.
Get better on both lines.
Ravens finish 8-8.
So, the team wins 3 more games than they did last season, miss the playoffs again and we're still talking about the same issues in here over and over and over again. That's brutal! ![]()
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Sooooo, it is a combination of the coaches not utilizing the personnel properly?