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I remember reading on the site that we get comp picks if we cannot resign Monroe

Oher has nothing to do with Monroe. Oher is gone, whether Monroe stays or not.

But can we rely on the draft?  We thought we were getting our future LT in Oher and that didn't work out.  Even the top, sure things at LT sometimes turn out to not be the sure things they were made out to be.  Who in this draft would we even take?  I don't see anyone that is any sure thing.  We could waste a draft pick and be stuck in the same position again next year.  The point still remains that we have a guy that can solidify a position that we've been incredibly weak at for 5+ years now.  We have the opportunity to alleviate that need.  Is it an expensive fix?  Absolutely, but what other choice do we have?  We found a proven commodity.  We can't ignore that and go to a guy that may or may not be the answer.

I understand your point. I got hell for saying that Riley Reiff was going to be a mild bust, despite the popular opinion that he was the  "safest" OT in the draft. Caught hell for my comments on Oher when we took him as well. But between the draft, and FA, Monroe is not our only option, and if he cannot accept a reasonable contract, then he no longer is our best option either.

 We can't have another year of Flacco taking that kind of beating

Absolutely right. But one solid LT isn't going to accomplish that goal. Flacco was getting murdered all year WITH Monroe in the lineup.

Those numbers were before a $10 million dollar raise in the salary cap.

That's well and good, but guys like Monroe do not re-establish the market. If he wants paid more than the $8M other comparable players are getting, he'll need to get that elsewhere

Less than that

http://overthecap.com/top-player-salaries.php?Position=C

 

But one of the reasons they're cheap is they're easier to find.  LTs are either top 5-10 picks or really expensive.  

Looking at that chart for LT, I think Monroe fits in nicely at the $8M bracket.

I'd be okay with giving him $8m. Not thrilled, but wouldn't complain either.

Ryan Kalil at $8.2M and Nick Mangold at $7.7M.  Mack has the argument that he is better than both, and he has the advantage with the cap increase this year.

 

I completely disagree.  Center is not a position that we need to invest that much money into.  LT is.  We've been struggling there for years.  We've done well finding quality C's at cheap rates or late in the draft.  Birk, Flynn, Brown, etc. were all quality players that didn't require huge investments.  Sure, Gradkowski didn't work out, but it's much easier to find a C than it is a LT.  Even some of the top draft picks at LT don't work out.  It's much harder to find, and we have a guy in Monroe that has shown he can play good football in our system.  We have to pay him.  We can't go back to the days of McKinnie and Oher.

Given that info, then I agree that Mack will likely command $8M annually.

I do not disagree that LT is the position we need to invest in, I am with you on that. I just dont see Monroe as the guy to make such a large investment in. I'd rather look to the draft for our LT

You aren't going to get Mack for $6M annually.  Based on other contracts and the fact that Mack is better than most, if not all of them, he'll be getting $8M annually.  For the extra $2M or so, you go with a LT, a position that we've been trying to fill ever since JO left.

If you happen to know off-hand, what are the top salaries currently at the C position?

Honestly, I'd still rather give Mack $8M than give Monroe $10M if that were the case

I would too, but I think Mack will become the highest paid centre in the league, over $8.5M a year.

I would be a little surprised if he got that kind of money, but if that were to happen, there are still a couple other top shelf Centers who can be had for half of what Monroe is looking for. I just dont want us paying out the wazoo for a guy who isn't worth out-the-wazoo money

Serious

 

Let's say you don't have all the Raven's game Tivo'd and can't review Monroe's games.

 

Then try this one on...

 

The Jacksonville Jaguars draft Eugene Monroe 8th overall in 2009.

 

Concerns like "PFF" rate Monroe as the 3rd, 10th and 10th best LT's in the League in his first 3 years.

 

Then in 2013 The Jaguars use the overall 2nd pick to draft?  You guessed it another LT, Luke Joeckel. 

 

Shortly thereafter the Jags trade Monroe to Baltimore and insert the draftee into his LT spot. Unfortunately for them Joeckel goes down with an injury.

 

Joeckel did not come cheap but ask yourselves this.....What kind of thought processing has a team draft their LT of the future and 4 years later draft another LT of the future? 

 

Obviously Oz rated Monroe high in 2009, but then so did the Jags.

 

All doubt is removed if you study the films.

Well, it is the Jags that we are talking about....but your point still rings true.

I think he is a very good OT, but at this point in his career, he likely has plateaued. Absolutely nothing wrong with being among the top 10ish at your position, but I certainly wouldn't break the bank for this guy when we have so many other needs.

Say his value is $10m annually.

Would we rather give a solid LT like himself that money, or give $6M of it to a guy like Mack, who is arguably the best player in the league at his position, and still have $4M left over to go out and grab a guy like D'Qwell Jackson who can help us out elsewhere on the team, or use that money to bring back Jacoby and / or Daryl Smith? Simple economics....with a limited amount of cash, would we rather fill one position, or 2 - 3 positions, with that $10M? Especially easy to answer when we consider that Mack is a better player, and fills an equally huge need for us.

I understand that LTs are hard to come by. Fortunately for us, this years' draft has a ton of quality at OT that will be available in the first two rounds

At 10+ million a year he no longer becomes good value and we may have to look elsewhere. It's not like he's the missing piece, he might block his man but Flacco is still going to get crushed. The entire oline has to be rebuilt.

that's exactly why I would rather just throw $6m per year at Alex Mack.

if Monroe gets $9-10 elsewhere, we can take that $3-4 we saved and put it towards another OL.

Just heard something interesting on ESPN. Pitta was flexed out into the slot on the majority of his snaps, not out wide. He wants to get paid like a receiver, so let's pay him as a slot receiver. The most highly paid slit receiver was Wes Welker, who made $6 million per year. Boldin is negotiating for $4-$5 million from San Fran.

He's not nearly as productive as those two, so let's pay him the $3-$4 million he deserves as a slot receiver

that's brilliant

(really. usually when I say that, it is tongue in cheek lol)

can probably get two 1st rounders from Oakland for him.

I know everybodys happy & thinks John had a hand in this BUT.......notice how Johns coaching staff is being wiped off the face of the earth?

And being replaced with Harbaugh's new coaching staff...

Yeah, even the announcers talked a lot about Jacoby's performance being MVP worthy. Hard not to include him in the conversation. Joe had a great game as well, and it seems that most of the time it is a QB that gets the SB MVP.

Tie goes to the QB!

It would have been MVP worthy, only Flacco was even more spectacular. Couldn't have done it without either of those two.

I like how Kubiak emphasized that HARBAUGH is the one who initiated talks and wanted to make everything work. Kubiak must be another one of his BFF

a Texans fan said this is revenge for sending them Ed Reed. LOL

so much for the Harbuddy theory

Here's my favorite quote from the comment section....

rickastleydancemoves says: "Me being a Texans fan, let me tell Raven fans what to expect: Run on first down, run on second down. If it’s third and short, play action bootleg to Torrey Smith. If its third and long, draw with Ray Rice."

Bottomline, I'll still prefer Shanahan as our OC, cause he's the better playcaller and he scheme to get his receivers open. But I'll take Kubiak, cause he's probably the best option left outside of Shanahan's. Plus we still will be getting a dynamic playbook with Kubiak and he's also knows how to play to his players strength as well. It's just his playcalling that's suspect. Plus his health could be an issues too. But still, Kubiak is an offensive mastermind and we need him or Kyle as our OC if we want a shot at a explosive offensive.

Do you have any proof at all regarding these "obvious facts"? Or proof that this is Biscotti, not Harbaugh?

Didn't think so.

Bringing in Dennison and Kubiak would be a tremendous boost for the embarrassment of an OL that we endured. I wonder what that would mean for Castillo.

If we pull off this trifecta, everyone of you Harbaugh BFF doghouse people can kick rocks

Wait, people don't actually believe the narrative that Harbaugh fired Cameron of his own volition, do they?

No more than we believe in the doghouse or how Harbaugh would rather hire his buddies than make what he thinks is the right decision for the team

We need change but the problem is it might work too good and jim harb will feel threatened bc his coaching staff couldn't get it right and as we all know he wants full control

Good thing Jim isn't our HC then

Guys I know it's the popular thing to bash Hostler but you should probably be reasonable and look at all of the facts. Look deeper than the surface, I know you can do it.

You're asking waaaay to much of the masses.

You're talking about the staff that kept Cam Cameron for 5 years.

Jeez man, let me dream a little. Lol

The report I'm hearing is the choice will be between Hostler & Shanahan .

If that's true, then it seems to be a pretty easy choice