Dewy101

We're either going to pick Buckner or Jack 

51 minutes ago, January J said:

Are you being serious? I'd almost venture to say he's best case scenario....

Same here we finally get some kind of interior pass rush. 

10 minutes ago, pitchblack_20 said:

With Perriman I was just saying that we've been through the process of having a high draft pick not perform immediately.The keyword with Smith  was could. Nobody really knows how long his recovery process will be. Honestly, I haven't studied him to comment enough, but I've seen reports that says he's Kuechly caliber. If so, I can't speak for anyone else but I'd be willing to wait a year for a player like that. IMO, MLB will be a need sooner than later.  

There is no timetable on his return (this is all rumors anyway). But if the rumors are true and Jaylon has nerve damage in his ankle and knee the recovery time is up in the air. He may come back in 2017 or he may be another Marcus Lattimore, a guy who never played a snap for the niners. It isn't worth drafting him high

39 minutes ago, JO_75 said:

True but how many times have we seen us draft guys that sit behind veterans we bring in? With Arthur Brown not panning out, and for as much talent Jack has, it might be worth a mid round or comp pick.

I can agree with that but taking Jaylon in the second round is too high especially where we are picking. There are going to be a lot of impact players available. 

12 minutes ago, JO_75 said:

With Jaylon's knee injury and this dropping him from the first round and possibly second. I would say "Noah Spence and Jaylon Smith no matter what".

Well from the reports they're saying Jaylon Smith may need a redshirt year. Ozzie really hasn't been a guy to redshirt players. He expects them to make an impact year one. 

Buckner, Spence in the first. William Jackson III in the second

5 hours ago, allblackraven said:

As far as I'm concerned all these choice threads should be renamed to "Noah Spence, no matter what"

Lol Vontae Mack no matter what haha

3 hours ago, GrimCoconut said:

Well, he didn't run his 40 and make little of it if you want but that brings up character concerns for me. It makes me wonder if he wants to compete. 

Or he knows his 40 time it isn't going to be what teams want so he's not going to risk falling 

5 hours ago, ALI624 said:

If we take Stanley we are picking top 15 or more likely top 10 next year.

I see it this way if we take Stanley at 6, we cut Monore, but we still have a need at guard. So how does drafting Stanley help us? We're in the same situation the team won't be much better. Or we keep Monroe for one year and have Stanley play guard. All I know is that a LT wasn't the reason why we were 5-11. Im sure there will be better players available at 6

Buckner and Leonard Floyd

I'd draft Aaron Burbridge and Leonte Carroo before Will Fuller. 

1 hour ago, usmccharles said:

1 hour ago, usmccharles said:

I think Titans go Tunsil and move Lewan to RT.  It will upgrade both positions and protect their franchise qb for the future.   

 

I tried to quote @52520andrew but this stupid update keeps quoting 2 week old losts

I think Titans go Tunsil and move Lewan to RT.  It will upgrade both positions and protect their franchise qb for the future.   

 

I tried to quote @52520andrew but this stupid update keeps quoting 2 week old losts

 

3 hours ago, 52520Andrew said:

I just don't see the Titans not taking Tunsil at this point, maybe if they hit it in FA but they have 2 edge rushers already

I wouldn't call Derrick Morgan much of an edge rusher. Titans would be foolish to give up on the amount of investment they've put in building their o line(Lewan, Warmack,Pouttasi, Schenke) and spend another high pick on the o line when their 27th ranked scoring defense needs help. 

3 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

But clearly what von Miller and ware brought to the field was what made the Broncos who they are. You could have replaced wolfe and Jackson with just decent players and the olbs are still dominant. It's von Miller and demarcus ware under wade Phillips for God's sake lol

No you couldn't. Teams would slide protection towards Miller. That never happened this season because of Malik and Wolfe they were too good in the middle. Miller always got one on one. Replacing Wolfe and Jackson with average players would've made them very weak against the run and the lack of pass rush inside would also allow teams to double Miller. Miller would eventually beat those double teams, but no way he gets to the QB as fast as he did this season. 

11 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

if teams wanna copy denvers formula, theyre gonna draft spence or floyd, not bosa or buckner.

Not necessarily, Denver was also very good inside. Derek Wolfe and Malik Jackson were terrors all season long. It made it impossible to slide protection towards Miller or even Ware. 

1 hour ago, GrimCoconut said:

I can certainly see that comparison after looking at him closer. I've warmed up considerably to the idea of us taking him at #6 overall and would do it if we're confident he can play this year for us. 

He's definitely athletically gifted, but I'd like to see more tape of him beating tackles off the edge. He absolutely demolishes RBs when blitzing. I really like Sheldon Day. He's plays so much like Pernell McPhee. I'm not sure if he's worth the #6 overall pick but he's definitely a low 1st high 2nd round pick. 

1 hour ago, Jaybirds said:

The accuser refused to testify, which is why there was no trial.  I found an interview where he described himself as "exonerated".  I'm not sure that's the same thing. 

Either way, with so much press about it, I don't think we take him. 

There's a video of him running in and grabbing his girlfriend out of the fight. Also there were more than 5 witnesses willing to testify to the fight. If anything Carroos friend Shane Turner was the only one that actually made contact with the alleged victim. We've already interviewed Carroo. I definitely think he's on our radar 

4 hours ago, Jaybirds said:

He has a blemish on his record:  assault against a woman on campus.  She dropped charges.  But of all the things the Ravens aren't likely to overlook.... I think we have to rule him out. 

No that isn't true. They had him confused for another person.  He was exonerated. 

I really like this kid Leonte Caroo from Rutgers. He's slowly building hype. He may be the Perriman type of player who wows at his pro day/combine. 

On February 2, 2016 at 5:29 PM, JoeyFlex5 said:

did you miss the part where our qb tore his acl because of poor LT play?

Unfortunate play, but teams overcome poor Oline play. Cowboys had the best o line but their qb still got hurt.  Look at the teams that have made the playoffs and moved on the past couple of seasons. Their o lines are not the reason why they're there. This season for example. The best LT in the playoffs was probably Jared Veldheer(he was horrible against the panthers). While teams had Michael Oher, Sebastian Volmer, Russell Okung(only had 1 good season), AV(steelers). Drafting a LT at 6 makes absolutely no sense not to mention they're going to struggle big time as they are rookies rarely do LTs play to their draft position the first couple of seasons. Idk what makes you think drafting Tunsil or Stanley is going to solve the answer at LT. 

All this LT talk is really annoying lol. We're not taking a LT that high. It's just not an important position anymore. 

what the heck is unimpressive about tunsils tape? you are going strictly off of recently drafted players which is an absolute garbage measuring stick. you cant say that because scouts overhyped jake matthews that tunsil is not a superior player.

tunsil is probably the best looking LT prospect to declare since walter jones, those other guys are nowhere close nor have they EVER had anything close to equally impressive film to back up the hype

His sample size is small. Watch the A&M game. Myles Garrett is getting double teamed. Here's another example https://t.co/8i6xuRKXBm

18/64 min is pretty good

12/32. Monroe was 15/32 this season. You're going to spend a #6 pick on a tackle that is putting out the same production. Remember that every scout loved Jake Mathews saying that he was the most technically sound tackle to come out in a while, but they say that about every tackle. Go watch Tunsil and Stanley's tape they're not very impressive. I'm not saying they won't be good but they're going to struggle big time and the risk of them not panning out is huge.

like sizzle said, flowers played with a pretty significant injury. And reiff playing at lt doesn't mean he is an LT. He had always been projected as a RT and is playing out of position because they have no other options. Robinson is certainly a disappointment but he was another raw potential guy, just like the majority of the people you named. Like I said, the top OTs OF this class are not the same raw upside guys, they're already playing with NFL level savvy and technique, those guys never showed anything close to what these guys show.

It just makes no sense to draft a LT this high. History has shown they under perform big time and have been complete misses. How are you going to argue with that? Having Hurst at LT is going to be just as bad as any rookie LT.

You realize flowers was playing hurt all season and significnatly so

Reminds me of matthews. Horrid rookie yr cause he was unhealthy, but was much better yr 2

Every player is playing through some sort of injury that just the way the NFL is. As long as your on the field you are healthy. Mathews was the 18th graded tackle not as great as you make think

reiff was projected as a guard/RT to begin with, ereck flowers has shown real promise, greg robinson had questions about having the agility/technique to play OT and shouldnt have went as high as he did, taylor lewan has played very well, and the rest of those guys had no business going as high as they did because they were all extremely raw and nothing more than physical specimens being drafted on measurements and potential alone.

tunsil and stanley simply arent in that category, both are very polished players, stanley struggled to get push in the run game but he does anchor and hold his ground, and in a ZBS that lack of strong push will be masked and his quick footed and athletic skillset will be highlighted, while being an absolute stonewall in pass protection, he had his hands full ONCE in all of college and that was 1v1 against shaq lawson, he already looks like an NFL starter in terms of foot and hand work, same goes for tunsil he is just much more physically dominant as he can knock fools off the ball with ease and still provide the same light footed refined pass protection. the top 2 OTs of this class are simply light years ahead of anyone in recent memory in terms of nfl readiness, they arent "measurable" guys like everyone you listed

Reiff is plays at LT. You can't argue with that. Flowers shown promise? He was the lowest graded tackle by PFF this season. He have up 5 sacks, 17 hits(second most) and 47 hurries(the most). Lewan has given up 8 sacks second most in the league. Greg Robinson has given up 3 sacks and 19 hits the most in the league. It's every year people say (insert left tackle name here) is a can't miss player and he's going to dominate and every year it proves to be wrong. The Saints seem like geniuses stealing Terron Armstead in the 3rd round. Benching him his rookie year and now he's a top 5 LT and maybe even better