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2 minutes ago, RavensFanMania said:

Yes, but many of the top pass rushers come in from both sides now.  They don't just pass rush from one side, they also come in from the strong side.   I do believe Tunsil steps right in and helps out year one.  Many top rookie LT in year one help out right away.  The Skins Trent Williams for one was pretty good in year one and held his own in his first game going up against Ware on a Sunday night. 

Williams gave up 11 sacks his rookie year lol. The amount of talent playing LOLB and LE is just better. RTs are a lot more valuable now. 

13 minutes ago, RavensFanMania said:

There are arguments where it is harder to play RT and RG vs. LG & LT.  The reasoning and I can't remember where I read it, but most right handed QB's will genrally step left and the left side of the oline will also shift to the left, leaving the right side on an island.  This and the fact that great pass rushers are coming from both right and left side now.  

In regards to a good left tackle helping out the guard position.  Absolutely, it's a domino effect.  To say that Tunsil won't help out the rest of the oline is absolutely a ridiculous statement. 

disagree that there are great pass rushers on the left side now. I doubt Tunsil helps out year 1. Tackles struggle even if he's the most "polished" tackle to come out in recent memory. 

1 hour ago, Jaybirds said:

I can't remember where I heard this argument.  But I did hear a version where Tunsil does help the interior:  Tunsil starts at left tackle.  Their current left tackle (also a high draft pick, right?) moves to right tackle.  The current right tackle replaces one of the guards.  So ti's three spots getting improved at once. 

Only one of those is interior, I'll admit.  But that still seems pretty good. 

I think the Murray trade means they draft Tunsil. If they really want  Ramsey they would help their Oline in FA. Andre Smith and Mitchell Schwartz were available but they didn't make a move. Maybe they still try to sign Smith

1 hour ago, Sizzlebshu said:

While I agree especially given what Tunsil could provide. The feeling that they will actually do this keeps growing. 

I think Norris summed it up best. The Titans issues are on the interior line and a T doesn't address those. Additionally, given how pass rushers are matchup based now, the LT position, loses value. 

Thank you. At least someone agrees with me. I'm starting to think RT is more valuable now 

6 hours ago, Drew P said:

They're making a play for Kap. If they land him then they probably grab Ramsey.

If the niners were smart they would ask the Browns to swap first round picks for Kaepernick since so many teams are after him. The niners take Wentz 2nd overall

8 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

Again, You'll be digging deep. People change their minds and if you wanna waste your time finding me vouching for Stanley 3 or 4 months ago then by all means do it lol

I'm not going to search for it but I'm glad you changed your mind lol

4 hours ago, Cillmatic said:

Guess I'm the only one who thinks Buckner is overrated. When I watch him play against high competition I see someone who gets washed out of almost every play.

1 hour ago, Maryland said:

I agree that Buckner is overrated, and I share your criticism. He plays high, and he will get stood up by lesser players with better technique/leverage.

I would rather trade down if he's the BPA at #6

Ok last years draft Arik Armstead went to the 49ers with the 17th pick. He racked up 2 sacks, 6 hits, and 30 hurries last season. Buckner was already the better player had he come out in 2015. I think he even improved his game this past season leading the nation for interior pass rusher pressures. 

4 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

He's not comparing jj from college. He's comparing a guy who projects to a 34DE to a current 34DE. And jj watt is hands down the hardest working and most intensely dedicated player in the league today, expecting a guy like buckner to turn into that is unfair expectations. 

 

And jj watt seems to be a common projection for both buckner and bosa, which highlights my point completely.

 

 

Really I've seen a lot of Calais Campbell comparisons for Buckner and Jared Allen for Bosa. How can you compare college Buckner with NFL JJ watt it makes no sense. JJs had better coaching, nutrition, and training. Compare college JJ to college Buckner

3 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

I realize all of this but watching film shows him shuffling around a lot when rushing against the guards rather than getting effective penetration. 

 

I've watched more of buckner than any prospect in this class, I love what I see, but the tape doesn't always confirm the common analysis, when you read up about buckner and his abilities you turn on the tape expecting to see a Aaron Donald levels of interior pressure and jj watt levels of raw powerful domination. 

 

Let's just say while he's e phenomenal prospect and a top 5 talent, his abilities are often overstated.

He's not the athlete they are. And he's about 15 pounds heavier than both of them. Compare JJs college tape to Buckners you'll see the same thing. JJ was nowhere near the player he is now. 

19 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

But we were discussing Tunsil. Not who would be there at 6. So please point me to where I said I wanted Stanley at 6... 

 

I'll give you a hint.. You won't find it without digging wayyyy deep.

Lol I'm sure I can find it

39 minutes ago, KBoum said:

yeah I get what you mean. gotta love his rip swim moves tho. he rushes outside a lot and sometimes bang quick move inside and can kill a passing play right away. still he's not disturbing a lot when facing double team blocks unlike JJ

The JJ we know now isn't the the same JJ we saw in college. 

You do realize Buckner played an insane amount of snap for a defensive lineman. Not to mention he played in a scheme that didn't show his strength. Often he lined up as a 4-3 DE. I don't think he's that in the NFL. He was far and away the best interior pass rusher in college football last season. He had 67 pressures last season highest of any interior pass rusher. He's going to be even more productive in the NFL where he actually gets a chance to rotate and stay fresh. 

24 minutes ago, ellicottraven said:

TUNSIL. Who knows? If the Titans and Chargers go the direction of defense, he may very well fall to us! But, again I like fantasy.

I think they're trying to keep the heavy lifting off of Mariota with their trade of Demarco Murray and signing of center Ben Jones. I think they have to take Tunsil. He improves the run and pass, but I'm not expecting him to be all that great his 1st season

On March 6, 2016 at 2:27 PM, ALPHA said:

We could use more speed but I think more on the 2nd and 3rd levels, I don't see the value for Floyd because he isn't a 3 down player.

I think he is. I think he can even play ILB and play OLB on 3rd downs. Of course he's going to need to put on about 10-15 pounds

9 minutes ago, ALPHA said:

Jason Spriggs isn't far behind Stanley as a pass blocker, and the Hoosiers do a lot of run blocking from 3 point unlike Tunsil and Stanley so he's more well rounded with athletic upside. He just has to shoot his hands more and helmet less, I hope we're looking at him.

I like Spriggs at guard honestly. He reminds me of a younger Evan Mathis. I think we take Spriggs in the second and have him play LG his rookie season. If Monroe gets hurt he can slide out to LT. 

6 minutes ago, Jacquouille said:

The problem, imo, is there is no "Day 1 starter" at LT in this class, Tunsil excepted. My favourite option would be a trade back up in the 1st to grab Spriggs or Decker. 

Tunsil and Stanley are both going to play pretty badly their rookie seasons as history has shown. It's not a quick fix IMO. 

15 minutes ago, usmccharles said:

It equals out though.  They have insane amount of cap right now, and will be able to plan ahead pretty well.

Not so much after the osemele signing. Plus they're expected to go after Malik Jackson. They're still going to have to pay Gabe Jackson. On top of that they have no LT. I'm not sure it would be a smart idea to have Osemele play there. 

2 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

But the thing about Ramsey is he still has a ton of question marks. More than any player in the top 5. The less hits your qb takes the better, the less pressure he feels the better. Its just a fact of football that pass protection is key for a strong passing game, and teams like the packers and Steelers are the exception and not the rule with their unorthodox qb styles

So you'd reach for someone like Stanley? Tunsil is obviously not going to be there. Talent wise I don't even think they're close, Tunsil is the much better player. BPA would be the best move to make. The Broncos just won the Super Bowl with their 3rd string LT. Panthers had Michael Oher as their LT. Patriots has to move their RT to LT. Cardinals were the only playoff team with a decent LT. Steelers had a backup LT. Bengals had Whitworth the best of the bunch but lose ever year. I'm just saying its an overvalued position nowadays as teams best pass rushers usually play LE or LOLB which forces them to line up against RTs. 

1 minute ago, usmccharles said:

Raiders are building something nice up there....

They only have a 2 year window. Market value for Carr and Mack is going to be huge if they keep producing. They're going to have to pay them big money as the cap keeps increasing. 

28 minutes ago, Jaybirds said:

Following through with this idea:  if the front office knew mid-season we were going to lose him, did they groom a replacement?  Are any of the young guys ready to step into LG?  Or even LG and LT if Monroe isn't starting for us? 

Ryan Jenson actually wasn't that bad. He dominated as a run blocker. 

1 hour ago, Boddiebroadus said:

Damn now Stanley will probably be the pick

Ozzie doesn't reach and Stanley would be a pretty big reach at 6 when there's better talent on the board

44 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

I find it hard to believe that Ozzie of all people, after his boy tore his acl, would put Ramsey over tunsil

The way I see it is that there are starting caliber LTs coming out every year. Players like Ramsey? Not so often. Like I said before Cowboys lost their QB for the season, are you going to blame that on their O-Lineman as well? It's was just bad place bad time

1 hour ago, ellicottraven said:

I don't agree with your assessment at all. To me personally here is the way I would pick if I were the Ravens in this order of availability:

1. Tunsil

2. Ramsey

3. Jack

4. Stanley

5. Buckner

6. Bosa

I see it like this 

1. Ramsey

2. Buckner

3. Tunsil

4. Jack

5. Bosa

6. Anyone but Stanley 

1 hour ago, balfan23 said:

Indeed ... if the FO agrees with the reports you are referring to, then Stanley will be a Raven. All I'm saying is, if we lose out on KO, that isn't going to force us to pick him if we feel one of these other options at defense is the best player available. 

How is drafting Stanley going to help us? Is he going to play guard his rookie season? Or do we cut Monroe and draft another player to play guard? I'm not sure you'd want KO at LT he was barely average there. He's going to be overpaid at guard and he's only played 1 season healthy. I think we have better options for a guard replacement later in the draft. I think Spriggs has the ability to be a very good guard.

6 hours ago, Cillmatic said:

Crocklin>Stanley

Maybe but he's a better fit in a power scheme. I think he'd struggle moving in a zone scheme like ours. Just not very athletic