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    On 2/17/2017 at 0:29 PM, Ravensfan23 said:

    I hate to seem like i'm picking but are you truly aware of what you're typing. None of it adds up. I'd rather you just say you don't like Britt period because the reasons you're giving not to like him over other guys just don't add up. 

    Neither Boldin nor Sr has ever surpassed 50 1st downs for the Ravens. You'll find it hard to discover one person in the Ravens organization that don't want the type of production those guys gave on 3rd downs. Furthermore, you say he's not a high volume guy. Well how can you be a high volume guy if you're not even targeted more than 84 times a season? Garcon has only surpassed 50 1st downs twice in his career and 1 of those seasons he was targeted 181 times. Marshall has surpassed 50+ 1st down 7 times and in every season he was targeted at least 140 times. Volume comes with targets and Britt just doesn't get as many as those guys. Britt converts 70%+ of his catches into 1st downs. I wonder what head do with more targets. 

    Secondly. You said Britt isn't as good in the redzone as Garcon or Marshall. Well lets look at the numbers.

    Garcon 13 targets 5recs 1TD

    Britt: 12 targets 6recs 4TDs

    BMarsh: 22 targets 7recs 4TDs

    Garcon comes up short here. Now onto the 3rd down claim you made. 

    Based on the site i looked at Britt converted 17 3rd downs into 1st downs last year, Garcon nor Marshall made the list.On 3rd and 7 or greater, Britt converted 6, Marshall converted 5 and again Garcon didn't make the list.  http://scores.nbcsports.msnbc.com/fb/leaders.asp?year=&type=Receiving&range=NFL&rank=104

    Not beating up on your opinion nor am i downing Marshall or Garcon cause i'd be happy with either, I just think you're sleeping on Britt unjustly. I agree with you on one thing tho. I could certainly see him getting close to 10Mil from someone and that'd probably push him out of the Ravens range, but the more I look into Britt the more I feel he's worth it and if Wallace is cut at his expense I wouldn't be upset. 

    While the numbers look as though they point to Britt, I don't trust him or his knees. Also, thinking those stats are probably a product of him being the lone option in the Rams receiving corps. Remember 2015 Aiken? 

    Marshall is a beast but will be high $ and brings his own set of risks.

    For me Garcon is the best option of these 3. He's sure handed, been pretty healthy throughout his career and is a stand up guy. Just seems to make sense.  Question is are the Skins going to let him walk and if he's available can the Ravens sign him. I for one sure hope so. 

    Edit.... Just read some of the other related posts and it looks like I just regurgitated much of what has already been said. Sorry for the repeat. 

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    1 hour ago, Purple_City39 said:

    Okay so just to be clear, Joe's rookie playoff numbers were 44% in completions, 146 yards per game, 1 TD, and 3 INTs in three full games.  In all honesty, you'd be hard pressed to find a rookie QB that had a worse playoff performance.  Off the top of my head, I know Ben Roethlisberger, Russell Wilson, Matt Ryan, and Dak Prescott had better performances.  These are my "I didn't double check" players

    Now, I'd also venture to guess Andy Dalton (sadly), Andrew Luck, and  Mark Sanchez (he was clutch in the playoffs for NY from what I recall) were all better as rookies also.  And after checking these out, I'd say they were better also.  Sanchez can't really be argued.  Luck and Dalton can to an extent, but not to me since both had higher completion percentages and yards per game.  There 0 TD percentage does fall below Joe's .333% though so that's something.

    I'd venture to guess not many rookie QBs even make the playoffs, but I also doubt you'll see a performance as bad as Joe's for awhile.

    lol......you got me. I didn't look at the stats but only remembered winning those early playoff games and the tough luck against the steelers in the AFCG. 

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    34 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

     

    So, what we basically see is that Joe had a ton of time to play behind a great line, with a running game, and top defense to grow into a playoff quarterback and become he was, but Ryan doesn't get a pass for having less playoff experience or a worse overall team for his early career when discussing playoff success?

    Let's remove names and ask the question objectively.

    Should an 8 year veteran QB that was named the league's MVP and plays with the league's #1 ranked offense get a pass for failing when it counted most? In the final quarter of the final game of the tournament?  

    No need to answer and that's pretty much all I have to say on the subject. 

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    1 hour ago, Purple_City39 said:

    Not I.  I'm a huge Flacco fan, but his first two playoff seasons were abysmal overall.  Minus some good play in spot moments against the Titans, he was pure trash in the post season as a rookie.  I give him a pass in 2009 due to that really bad hip bruising he had that reportedly kept him from even sitting on the team bus at one point, but I don't know how anybody can look at those five games and say he performed admirably when we've seen rookie QBs, both before and after 08, not look that bad in their first playoff games

    hmmm......school me. What rookie QBs before and after 08 looked better in their first playoff games? 

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    1 hour ago, BmoreBird22 said:

    That they just needed average. What they needed and what they got are two entirely different things.

    And just as a side note, Joe early in his career was incredibly average in the playoffs, if not below average.

    You wrote what you wrote in response to me saying the Ravens ended up with the right guy between Flacco and Ryan.  In no way did you frame it that way when you first made the statement. But yeah,  OK.  lol

    And on your side note; I think most would say Joe performed admirably early on in the playoffs considering he was so inexperienced and had zero time as an apprentice behind an NFL franchise QB.   

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    3 hours ago, gtalk12 said:

     

    Considering how much we would have given him? I do not think so, Rice would never have been drafted and that was huge...Flacco was slower to develop thanks to a commitment to the run game and the defense which was a good idea. The worse our defense got throughout the years because of age the better Flacco was becoming and was expected to carry them going forward. The year we one our defense was nowhere near its best days, bc if it was we would have steamed through EVERYONE with the way Joe was playing lol.

     

    In my opinion the Falcons made an effort to build around Ryan, let's not forget he inherited a team with Roddy White who at the time was a big time player...they bring in Tony Gonzalez and Julio. That is INSANE to me when you match it to Boldin, Torrey, and Pitta. On ATL there are already 2 of those 3 guys going to HOF with White possibly being the odd man out but he was still a great talent. in 09 Roddy went for about 1300 yards and Tony was there pre-Julio with Mike Turner as your RB averaging 4.9 a carry.

     

    In 11 with Julio they got KILLED by the Giants in the wildcard round only putting up 2 points lol. I do not trust him yet, this year he came closer

    Given the events of the past 8 years for both teams it's safe to say the Ravens ended up with the right guy. 

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    1 minute ago, Nightman said:

    They used stopped escalators in the Washington Metro all the time.

    Only for emergency usage if there's no other egress other than the small elevators. If the station has stairs between the escalators they barricade the stopped escalator. Reason is the rise of the treads is greater than allowed by code. Also when stopped all are not equal. 

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    4 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

    They got into field goal range twice in the fourth, so not sure why this idea that they couldn't sustain drives is floating around.

    Not an idea, it's fact. They ran only 13 plays in 3 possessions in the 4th quarter producing 1 fumble and 2 punts.  4:30 ToP.  That was after having the ball for a 3 play drive(punt) at the end of the third quarter producing -15 yards.

    After their 3rd quarter TD the Falcons offense collapsed. 

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    2 hours ago, BmoreBird22 said:

    I'm sure it really helped a hot Falcons offense to be off the field for 90 minutes.

    Could have, don't know. But after the quick three and out to start the half they came right back with an 85 yard, 8 play TD drive and it looked like they picked up right where they left off in the first half. Wasn't until well after the long break, almost the end of the 3rd quarter, that they looked anemic and were unable to get a first down much less sustain any sort of drive. Given that timeline I would have to say the extended time off the field had little or nothing to do with their collapse. 

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    6 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

    It's still a comparable situation time wise...

    OK, to state the obvious there were completely different circumstances. One was lengthened by the normal run of play that could happen in any game, not unusual. The other was lengthened by a freakish power outage while the game was being played that robbed momentum, an unprecedented event that will most likely never happen again.  

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    5 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

    I wouldn't blame Joe, though, because Rice fumbled, Ngata went out, and the punt coverage broke down for an extremely long game. Not to mention the fake field goal.

    And Joe and the offense were on the field for three times as many plays as Matt and the the Falcons in the second half of that game. As was mentioned when you first brought up the analogy, they were completely different situations and in no way comparable.  

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    5 hours ago, K-Dog said:

     

    Yeah, while amusing this is completely false. It is against Life/Safety codes to use a secured escalator as a staircase. If they break down they have to be barricaded until repaired. 

    Escalators are an inherintly dangerous piece of equipment and a maintenance nightmare. They are also energy hogs. I can see why they have resisted their installation. I would guess installing them will raise liability insurance exponentially and also add a huge chunk of change to the operating budget. 

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    On 2/7/2017 at 8:28 PM, GhostofGrbac said:

    Well said. 

    If the Ravens D gave up a 25 point lead you know damn well the D is getting blamed for the loss. But the Falcons D does and it's Ryan's fault? Why is it different?

    Well, the major difference would be that the Ravens offense actually managed to get some first downs in the second half while running three times as many plays as the Falcons did against NE. They didn't score a bunch of points but it was enough and they at least gave the D some time off the field in the 4th quarter when it mattered most. 

    What seemed to hurt the Ravens the most In the second half(besides the momentum robbing outage)was Ngata going down. It was like throwing a switch(whoops!) opening up the D. 

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    On 2/7/2017 at 7:55 PM, GhostofGrbac said:

     

    Ryan did complete the pass on 3-23 for 9 yards to Sanu, but was nullified due to Jake Matthews holding. If Matthews doesn't hold it's 4th down at the NE 26. A 42-43 yard FG attempt for Bryant is pretty automatic.

    In reality the down should have been replayed as the off setting blatant face mask on the tackle went uncallled. 

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    2 hours ago, BmoreBird22 said:

    Like I said in the Matt Ryan thread, it almost feels like the NFL is fixed. You cannot make up that fourth quarter of the Falcons game or that play calling on the goal line of the Seahawks game.

    Leveon Bell going down early, tuck rule, etc, etc.......And the mother of them all, 2011 AFCG. They seem awfully fortunate in the post season. 

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    11 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

    I truly do think that this comparison is even happening so that we can still have the, "Joe Flacco is better than Ryan," debate going here. It's kinda like, "Well, Joe faced a similar time off the field and he still won." Except, Ryan never lost that game for his team.

    Wait......who even brought up the Ravens/Niners SB. Wasn't that you? 

     

     

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    10 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

    How is it not like the power outage? I should ask that.

    LMAO!  Since you are asking there's really no reason to point out the obvious. But here's a fun fact in case you forgot......One of the reasons they were out so long was because their D got a pick six and extended the lead. Did that hurt them as well?  

    There were no mysterious outside forces or shenanigans at work here. I have my own ideas as to why, but suffice it to say the Falcons choked, plain and simple. 

     

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