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8 minutes ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

I'm coming around on Takk. 

Still wouldn't be very happy if we took him at 16 depending on who else is available... but I read a bio piece on him (I think it was ESPN) and he's a survivor. 

Tough up bringing, long road to success and has a great support structure around him now. 

Def a guy I'll be rooting for regardless... and wouldn't mind having as a Raven under the right circumstances. 

I watched the video on YouTube telling about the promise he made to his grandmother. I really liked him as a prospect before and, for as much as one video might tell about a man's personality, I can't help but feel even greater simpathy. 

With Conley, Wilson, Takk and Laws still on board I would poop my pants about pulling the trigger.

Always talking about characters, I just watched Auburn pro day shortcut. Love the way my boy listens to the coach and looks willing to be taught.

1 hour ago, PurpleHorseman said:

Who obliterated our Left Tackle one year ago?  I agree on evaluating traits over performance. Especially with tackles coaching in college being terrible. Not many tackles can play as a rookie. If Barnett and Cam play couple yrs later it could be a different game. Many tackles are backups while needing coaching refinement and  often needing to get stronger. David Baktarhi is an example.

Obliterated is probably over exaggerating it but yes, I've just re-watched the tape and S.Lawson put up 6-7 pressure and a few sacks against Ronnie (idk why I wrote Tunsil in the precedent post. I need to get sober come draft day). While the DE won his battle (and definitely caught my attention thanks to his hands work and a few nice set up spins) you can see he really lacks motor, has no counter moves, is not a bender and is definitely not worth a top 10 pick. 

We just can't get a game where two prospects face each others and claim the one having the better day is the better prospect. If it was that easy then Shaq Lawson would be hands down more valuable than Tunsil since the guy obliterated our LT one year ago. I got fooled by such a 1 on 1 match up and made a big deal off it. I think we have to evaluate the prospects' traits more than the singolar performance.

5 minutes ago, ravensnation5220 said:

Idk cause on tape i never see williams get much seperation. He only gets seperation once the balls in the air. Otherwise corners were always on his hips, he just managed to out muscle them for the ball

Yeah I also see a good awarness for the position and how well he tracks the ball. Initial separation might be an issue on the short routes but as long as you keep him running fades and comebacks he's going to demand attention. 

As route runners for intermediate routes I prefere Kupp and Ford, hands down.

I think BK is more of a gap disruptor as he likes to knife through B often with a swim move but ends up often playing a little too high pads and gets moved too easily against the run or on trap blocks. Let's say Charlton has a much higher floor and is definitely more of a complete player despite not possessing a big arsenal as a pass rusher. I think what makes Kaufusi that interesting is the potential for a 3rd rounder.  

I would like every bit of it. I don't see Feeney getting to us in the second with many teams that will probably overdraft offensive linemen (Colts, Seattle, Denver, Miami and the Giants in the first) when there's just a handful of prospects worth a top 50 pick. I'd personally prefere Switzer, Dupree, Reynolds and Henderson to Steward (if they're still available) but I'd really like the general outcome. Charlton looks to be a very solid pick and the most important needs may be so addressed.

Have no idea of who Kirsch is so I'm going to give a look at him but with our history in finding a good late round OT I wouldn't be too surprised if we waited till day 3 to ads some competition on the right side.

2 hours ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

Not saying you in particular are doing that.... but Conley had no buzz as the #2 CB before Jones injury and was at best a late 1st by most accounts. Im sure if we go and look at the dates on the DB thread, no one was talking Conley at 16 prior to Jones' injury.

Oh no worry. Not going to take it bad even if it was personal. 

I had watched only edge rushers tapes last winter and didn't dig into CB until january. I didn't find many tapes on Jones at the time so I couldn't rank him anywhere and of course never gave my opinion about him.

As with Lattimore and Conley, I literally started to look at them as soon as the Lattimore hype spread. 

I always try to watch tapes without any sort of bias (see my opinion on Wilson, Lawson who I think none here would like at 16). Thus you'll see thatl my like for Conley is sincere and not conditioned by other events

24 minutes ago, rmw10 said:

Since you mentioned him, I'm surprised Conley hasn't gotten more love around here. Very good prospect who should have a long career based on what I've seen. Can play any type of coverage and actually turn and look for the ball. Only big downfall is that he's not aggressive in the run game or as a tackler. 

Exactly. What I really like about him is that he's a pretty complete player and is a good fit in either zone or press man duties. He's not the amazing athlet that Lattimore is but is more physical and is less subject to quick routes separation and doesn't have an injury history (bot that I know at least). He'd be a great value at 16 imo.

My fav picks at 16 (in order):

Lawson, Conley, M.Williams (who just shouldn't be available but I throw him in there since some mocks have him falling to our range), Q.Wilson, T. Williams.

Least fav picks:

Ross, McDowell, Cook, Robinson

2 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

Did you listen to it? I wanted to but haven't had a chance

I did and he sounded a tad more interested to what Voch had to say than to those Combine questions. Sure, the tone was very confidential and informal as Voxh talked to him as a fan rather than a possible employer, but this kind of spelled that picture I had of him being very coy.

One thing I would like to see more often tho is players being a little more self aware of which area of their game they must improve the most. McDowell answered 'I really don't know man' when asked about why lots of media poundits are sleeping on him. Well, I would have some ideas. Not abig deal anyways, and as Rmw says this is the slowest moment of the pre draft process.. I won't try to read too much into this stuff

For all the McDowell fans, Voch just posted a few mins chat with the guy.

13 hours ago, Ravenskid52752 said:

I guy I like is Damonte Kazee CB from San Diego State ball hawking Corner. 

One of the best tackling CBs I've seen in a while. You're not alone.

51 minutes ago, ravensnation5220 said:

Ya I agree on Williams, he for interview pretty well from what I see. McDowell just seems to avoid interviews and he kinda has an attitude in them I think. He seems very annoyed throughout the very few interviews I've seen of him. 

Lol.. Like Bosa at the combine.. I wanted to kill myself :'D

McDowell is Nkemdiche again and again. Both physical freaks in a 4-3 DT body. Now, I'm pretty sure McDowell has a higher floor and represent a slight less bust risk than the latter. However, I don't think we're in a position where we can afford to take such a gamble.

We all know there's no guarantee in the draft lottery and that for what we know even Garrett has a chance to bust, but in the end of the story I think we should go with someone who looks like possessing the better intangibles at a position of need, since we have so manies.

If we were the Falcons for example, who will start day 1 with just a couple of needs (including pass rushers) I'd definitely consider him but not if I'm the Ravens FO. 

Let's set a realistic scenario with McDowell and one between Harris/Charlton and Humphrey/Conley (need positions and great potential as well): would you guys still go with the former Spartan? How high do you have him rated?

57 minutes ago, RaineV1 said:

One other thing to keep in mind is the free agency spending the Ravens have been doing. If we got a good free agent the year we lost Jernigan, we might not have gotten any comp.

And in general, I think people are deluding themselves if they think we could have gotten a third or fourth straight up for Jernigan. Just moving up nearly a whole round worth of picks was better than what we'd normally get.

Absolutely true. A lot would depend on 2018 FA and how Timmy would've played his last year. He has very good potential as a pass rusher, that's ubdebiable, but he might have as well underperformed.

Heck, we don't even know his medical report, whether he's likely to get injured or if he's going to have PEDs violation or off the field troubles any time soon. Sure, extreme cases and I seriously wish him well but we fans tend to underestimate the amount of informations we're not given and that can affect these kind of moves' value drastically. At first glance when I read the head line O was shocked and thought it wasn't worth it but then made a few counts and realized it all makes sense.

5 hours ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

So the pick swap has more value than if the Eagles let us keep our 3rd and gave us their 4th AND 5th.

It does have more value from a pure points perspective. On the other hand it's definitely less expensive for the Eagles to drop 25 spots and maintain a pick rather than giving up 2 in early day 3.

Perhaps, going for more picks rather than climbing up those spots would've given us ammos to trade up on draft day and get a better position in rd2. Picks we could've also simply used to double dip at Corner or Oline for example.

I think the move suggests that we're going to stay put and wait for another good player falling to the 3rd rather than using #74 in a trade up scenario.

Imagine, we trade up in the 1st with say, the Browns (#12, 1200pt) offering #16 (1000pt) and #74 (220pt), so basically our original #99 (104pt) and Jernigan. This is the case that makes the move less sensed and effective.

Finally, if Timmy was a free agent this year he wouldn't have gotten anything better than 6-7 M a year which makes it for a 4th round comp. This year the first comp pick in RD4 is #138 (37pt) and, well, that's much less than what we got by trading up those 25 spots (#74: 220pt-104pt of #99= 116pt). 

So, by looking at it from another angle I'm coming to the same @BOLDnPurPnBlacK conclusion. It was a good deal, for both the sides.

On 28/01/2017 at 10:17 PM, p sizzle said:

All mock draft sites get better as the draft gets closer.

Wait til after the combine.

If you know of a more realistic mock draft site, please post it or quit complaining.

I'll say I find Matt Miller board on fanspeak to be the most realistic board so far. Sure I'd veto some players' stock but it's pretty good.

There's absolutely nothing other than his 40y record that screams round 1 to me. Injuries, rarely saw press-man (that shotgun had their opponents play a ton of off man and zone), not even a great route runner (someone had posted two gifa of him running a quick slant and even there you could see too much wasted motion).

Coleman, Cooks, Landry were all better prospects comig out of college.

He would fit better in the Will Fuller/Davin Smith category.

He's not a fit at the moment and with how deep the first tier is I don't expect him to be the BPA. Neither I understand how so many analysts can keep mocking him at us. It's like they didn't even take a look at our roster.

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5 hours ago, ravensnation5220 said:

See now your looking too much into the combine and how they look in shorts. Harris looks like the better pure pass rusher. He bends and has much better get off. Thats what today's NFL is all about. I thought you'd see that more than anyone. Harris has the potential to be an elite double digit sack man in the NFL. I don't see that with watt. Yes watt can be a more complete player but I see a more consistent pass rusher in Harris. 

What people also forget is that Watt has had 3 significant muscolar injuries since his freshman year.

It might not be a big deal, although I didn't think Harris and Watt carry the same value at 16 before to read about it, let alone now. I'd be much more comfortable with the former.

5 hours ago, RavensDieHard21 said:

Despite Perriman's and Wallace's speed, they still don't always get open. We need a shift slot receiver that can get open quick with Flacco under duress, which is where Ross could become a crazy explosive security blanket. Imagine having him in the slot with Wallace and Perriman on the outside. If Ross got too much attention in the middle we would have 1 on 1 on the outside all day long. 

Then why not Cupp in the 2nd or Switzer in the late 3rd for example? Isn't that better value while you're adding a great pass rusher or potential star corner with the first rounder? 

I really can't buy this post combine Ross hype. 

1 hour ago, ravensnation5220 said:

I'm not sure about white. He's def not as big as Wilson but what worries me most is his lack of on ball production. Hardly ever gets his hands on passes

I mean he reminds me of him technically. And even from a size standpoint they aren't much different afterall: 1" of difference, arm lenght is almost the same and White even has slightly bigger hands.

I don't have a lot of numbers so I can't tell how many times he's been targeted, nor if those times were 70% screen passes and playing off man (where you must a super hero or something to get a PD). There are too many factors that play their part in the stats. I wouldn't bother too much about it as long as the eyes make me comfortable with what I see on tape. 

Also, we're talking about day 2/early 3 kind of prospects so you shouldn't have too much expectation in year 1, although they might even be starting material. 

I rarely thumb up or down a post but I just stamped my finger print on the green button.

I know how long it takes to put together all of this stuff as I've been doing the same for the past 2-3 years, so kudos for the effort. I just tend to have thinner tiers and in this specific case I would consider Barnett and Robinson one step below the likes of guys like Garrett and Adams. But that's just a subjective point of view.

This is without any doubt my favourite mock of the year, although Lawson will not get to our 2nd pick. Even then, it's the only pick I don't consider realistic.

If it ever happens that we take so many players of my liking I'm getting my GF a Ravens jersey and customize the name in Rossihunter #2.

Man, there's some criminally underrated gems who will fall to RD 3-4. 

Just finished to watch 2015 tapes of Marquez White (FSU). The guy has been constantly left on an island and I've counted a mere 1-2 passes a game going his way. He's a poor men's Q.Wilson in my eyes. Sure, not the fastest of the group but has a good punch to threaten WRs release and speed. Good body language read and routes awarness. Very solid player.

M.White, Witherspoon, Kazee, Elder (and later Hairston). There's so much talent at the position that double dipping is almost a must.