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I don't know who started the "triple-teamed" stuff first, but I doubt that person has watched the games completely unbiased. I've watched 7 OSU games and wrote down every position he lined up and every match-up he faced.. I didn't see 1 triple-team. 2014 #snaps DoubleTeams Unblocked Clemson: 54 5 (9%) 4 (7%) MSU: 78 13 (17%) 1 (1%) Michigan (didn't finish it): 2015 Hawaii: 38 5 (13%) 1 (3%) Penn St: 49 2 (4%) 1 (2%) Indiana: 91 10 (11%) 8 (9%) MSU: 65 6 (9%) 9 (14%) Now, I'm not going to say he wasn't an impactful player; teams had to adjust to his presence. He has an awesome punch and he might be very valuable playing the two gaps, controlling his man and patiently reading the play. He also has a good set of moves and he will be dangerous as an inside rusher.. no doubt. But there have been many times he struggled on the edge: he took a line and because of his balance (today he proved to be a little bit of a leaner) he was easily pushed off the play creating a hole. So, while he played many positions one can advocate that, because of his relative stiffness and balance, he might not fare as well rushing the passer from the outside than from inside.. that he's simply better playing 2-3-4 T rather than 5-6 or Leo.

This. People are trying to read too much into any combine number. Ogbah ran faster than Spence and Ochi.. on film he's a slug. Fackrell benchpressed 15 times.. Spence 10 more.. but did you see the difference in the power generated while punching the opponents? As I wrote in another post, I think the dash and bench press, more than any other drill, should merely indicate a player's shape. Btw I really like DJ Reader.. very underrated.. you can't single-block him without getting pushed all the way back. He reminds me a little of Terry Williams last year.

I don't know you guys, but with his roid-kid kinda pronunciation he reminds me of him

oh ok.. interesting. However, I saw Doc next to Cajuste while switching from one drill to another and really noticed the difference.

Everybody knows that combine numbers aren't that important, unless you really over/underperform. We could say it over and over that football ain't track. Miller is very quick in his changes of direction and has a good pair of hands as well. He will get separation once he gets comfortable doing what he does; his draft stock isn't changed much.. he's going in the 2nd-3rd range anyway.

nah I wouldn't say so.. many WRs post a 1.60-1.64 split. For comparison A.Cooper last year and B.Miller today have run 1.62. Main issue with him is always the same..pad level. Let's say that a team drafting him im the second and B.Miller one round later will have a crazy number of options to go with on third down and short. You'd have a short yardage power-Back and a WR who can play the wildcat too.. imagination at its highests

Cajuste is 6'4 and visibly taller than Doc. The draft card lists him at 6'2 which makes more sense to me. http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/Josh-Doctson?id=2555343

First two tapes of Ogbah I watched couple of months back, I was shocked of his lack of explosiveness, bending, moves, motor. He only displayed a decent punch but nothing more. I seriously wonder how PFF can consider him the second best pass-rusher in NCAA. I really don't know, maybe I just picked the 2 worst tapes available. However, he was so disappointing I decided not to go further in order to save my poor eyes. The amount of hype he had received seems crazy and unjustified.. For the few I could see, he showed a decent base and no upside.. a sluggish DE worth a flier and nothing else.

This year I haven't been able to follow draft prospects as much as I used to, but I did a little homework regarding tapes and speculating on our team next year's roster is simply too fun to pass on it.. so here I am Considering it's just a pre-FA mock I opted for a balanced approach, addressing as many positions as possible while prioritizing the biggest needs (CB, OLB, WR) indicated by the actual roster. We all know free agency will change many cards on the table, we'll cut players (probably D.Smith), either Monroe or KO could not be wearing blacnk&purple in 2016, or even both of them, someone could suffer an off-season injury (like Suggs two years ago); needs will shuffle and this mock will appear much less appetizing in few weeks, bust as of now I find such an outcome quite pleasing. 1 TEN Laremy Tunsil OT 2 CLE Jared Goff QB 3 SD DeForest Buckner DT 4 DAL Joey Bosa DE 5 JAC Jalen Ramsey DB 6 BAL Vernon Hargreaves CB 7 SF Myles Jack ILB 8 MIA Jaylon Smith ILB 9 TB Shaq Lawson DE 10 NYG Laquon Treadwell WR 11 CHI Reggie Ragland ILB 12 NO A’Shawn Robinson DT 13 PHI Mackensie Alexander CB 14 OAK Robert Nkemdiche DT 15 LA Paxton Lynch QB 16 DET Ronnie Stanley OT 17 ATL Noah Spence DE 18 IND Ezekiel Elliott RB 19 BUF Jack Conklin OT 20 NYJ Kevin Dodd OLB 21 WAS Sheldon Rankins DE 22 HOU Carson Wentz QB 23 MIN Shilique Calhoun OLB 24 CIN Maurice Canaday CB 25 PIT Eli Apple CB 26 SEA Taylor Decker OT 27 GB Andrew Billings DT 28 KC Corey Coleman WR 29 ARI Leonard Floyd OLB 30 CAR Michael Thomas WR 31 DEN Cody Whitehair OG RAVENS sum up RD Ovr Player Role 1 6th Vernon Hargreaves III CB 2 36th Kyler Fackrell OLB 3 70th Rashard Higgins WR 4 105th Cole Toner OT 4 131st Javon Hargrave DE 4© 134th Mike Hilton DB 4© 135th Nick Kwiatkoski ILB 5© 178th Victor Ochi OLB 6 185th DeAndre Washington RB Different points of view are always welcomed

1- I never stated ILB isn't as important as OLB, just that our OLB is a much bigger need. That because, answering to '2', I don't think Suggs will ever be back to his old form, but rather turn into a rotational player, just like Doom (who's never been a three down player). We're talking bout a man who weights 260-270 lbs and suffered a second Achilles' tear, that's no joke. That's serious liability. Thus, at my eyes we can only count on one side of the front seven being really 'checked' and for as much versatile as Jack can be, he ain't no edge rusher, which is what we lack of.

Exactly my thought. We tend to make things up in order to have our guy falling without always caring of justifying the first 5 moves.

Another legit concern..his tackling reminds a bit of Stephon Gillmore who dives a lot into his man's body and has a torn labrum. However, even though there are some players with upper body injuries (per Vegasinsider.com), we don't know whether those were caused by a lack of proper technique or because they fell badly on the ground while contending for a high thrown ball. Also, the majority of the CB injuries regard lower body parts (knee ligaments, hamstring), thus parts you don't attempt a tackle with. So, while it's true that his playing style might affect his durability I'm personally not overly concerned.

I agree, IF this happens it will push Jacksonville into the direction of Ramsey.

I've only found that one game against North Dakota State so far. I would search for more but I'm heading to bed.. Try with Noonkick, maybe.. that's a pretty good site if youtube or draftbreakdown don't have the games/tapes you're looking for.

It's a very common feeling, however his dominance at collegiate level has been impressive since his frashman season. Many times when watching him playing I had the impression he was the most fluid and istinctive CB I had seen in a while.

I would also warmly embrace the idea of such a line.. I just find hard to believe that Buckner will get it past the Jags; they may very well use his versatility to put some pressure off Fowler. So you think SD goes with Bosa and Jack stays put on Ramsey? I'm not tryin to convince you guys nor I consider my point of view as the ultimate truth, so don't get me wrong if I keep insisting on this topic, I simply want to show how, either landing a combination of Buck-Thompson or Buck-K.Fuller , Jack-Jackson , Jack-Boyd we're going to lack a real change in our pass-rush. So, even if I consider it a slight reach due to his lack of effectiveness as a run stopper I think we might end up having a better overall draft outcome and team improvement by taking Spence ahead of Jack. For instance, I see: RD 1 Spence 2 Redmond/K.Fuller 3 Miller/Higgins 4 Matakevich/D.Jones 4 Toner 4 Zettel/Ioannidis Paying out better for us than RD 1 Jack 2 Redmond/K.Fuller 3 Miller/Higgins 4 Schobert 4 Toner 4 Zettel/Ioannidis But again, just my point of view on the matter

Higgins is a pretty complete WR in my eyes, and could easily play inside or outside; for the few tapes I was able to check he proved to be quite suddenn in his route running and even though he won't be a go-to receiver à-la-Perriman he can get separation early and get some YAC. I also see Fackrell as someone who can "contribute right off the bat" if needed; he definitely must to add some pass rushing moves but his counters and jerks show he has a very, very good base to begin with. So, considering my mock, hence those top 5 picks as locks with no Buck nor Ramsey left on board, would you rather take Spence or Jack over VH3? Also, who would you take in the later rounds?

Yes, Fackrell falling to the 3rd round would shock me almost as much as Jarret into the 5th. I believe he's truly underrated from a media/fans standpoint and that there's quite a difference between him (in the Calhoun class) and any other OLB who'll be drafted later. CB and OLB are our biggest areas of concerns imo and while there are still some day 2-3 corners capable of making a decent impact and possibly developing in something more (that's why I wouldn't necessarily mind if we pass on VH3 for any Jack, Buckner or Tunsil), I'm afraid there's no pass-rusher in day 3 who could eventually step in and fill Doom or Suggs shoes whether one of them goes down with an injury. Correa, Schobert, Striker, all look fine as rotational guys but can they, in the long run, provide us something more than just 3rd down players? Who do you think will nab Wenz? The Boys? Or someone else by trading up?

Thing is I don't like to project trades.. Ravens might even be willing to trade down but that requires two sides to work.. adding speculation to speculation ain't no fun anymore imo. That's why I stayed put. Let's assume we really pick VH3 there at #6, how would you guys like the next round to look like? Because I see a lot of talks bout our first round pick, on every new topic and mock, but almost no time is spent for the other 200 prospecs; I'm honestly interested.

Yeah let's see how things unfold.. I wouldn't be in love with Jenkins (much more of a WLB in a 4-3 than a 3-4 pass-rusher) but who knows.. I'm always very curious about round 3-4 and this year, especially because of the amount of picks we have. Maybe none of us got it correct and we end up with Bosa or Spence early.

Yeah I just contested the fact that you were calling him a reach in the early second..I'd be extremely shocked if he falls all the way to the third, honestly. Also, there's a major drop in talent at OLB after him, while I don't see such a difference between Boyd and Higgins to make me pass on an eventual standout pass-rusher. What I'd go for, is a general high payoff, until we trim few needs through FA.

You're right.. but you can still start a season with that depth. At CB there's none really healthy (both Webb and Jimmy had troubled seasons and are the only other player who didn't undergo surjery yet is Walker). So while the need at both positions is quite obvious I see the secondary as a much more glaring one. However, it's not that I'd start to cry if we end up selecting Jack

Thing is that he's not a pass rusher.. which is what we badly need. Pees showed a big lack in creativeness and I don't think drafting a very versatile player solves our specific problem. I'd rather make it simple and get him the best, functional, guys on board (in this case Fackrell at OLB rather than a MikeLB); Fackrell will definitely surprise people with speed, power and hands strenght, and I'll tell you more, he has a very high cieling both as a pass-rusher and as a cover guy, his hands will also help him a lot when disengaging from blockers in the run game. I'm going as far saying he showed more potential than Dodd and that he could easily be picked in the late first round. Every year you have some players you hadn't expect to see that early (Demarius Randall, Stephone Anthony, Justin Pugh, Travis Frederick), and the Utah state guy might very well be one of those.

Much better overall because you think there's better talent at the same position left on board (for example you consider Alexander > VH3, Correa > Fackrell, Miller > Higgins) or because you feel some positions would be left unaddressed? How would you rather move? Also, I'm a Shaq Lawson (prospect) fan but I don't like him as a pick (for our Ravens); so I interpretate that not being "a fan of those guys" as if you're not fan of the picks (which is very legit).. because other way I would ask you what you don't like of their skillsets.

Jack is also an option there. However I coveted the main positions of need and if we consider the actual roster the ILB depth (D.Smith, CJ, Orr, Brown) isn't too bad to start a season with; on the other hand we have injury pleagued or unproven guys at CB, and the very best corner on board also fits Pees off-man/zone attitude. So, while I'd rather fill that talent gap, I understand what you fans of the Jack pick are saying.