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wuuuuuut!? Geez..why? Yeah that class is going to be crazy, maybe even more promising than the past one.

http://m.bleacherreport.com/articles/2620811-joey-bosa-unleashes-on-twitter-with-rant-about-people-stalking-his-old-tweets One could say 'you would have reacted the same way' but the thing is that I'm not about to get employed by a multi-millionaire company. And even if I were him I'd try to make my own interest (to shut up in order to show maturity to my future team, at least until May).

Recently I didn't have much time to dig into other tapes but the MSU, Cle, Ore, Penn St, but I couldn't find many situations of him winning around the edge. If you do, please post them because I must have missed on them. His outside rip move is just bad because he lacks the explosiveness, balance and bending to perform it effectively. When he gets the snap count right and swim his way between the G and the T he can be very dangerous.. but what he's missing are the essential skills to be a great 3-4 OLB. I'd rather try to trade back and get any guy like Floyd, Dodd in the 15-20 range who can give me what we're missing (explosiveness, bending) or wait until the second round and get Shilique or Fackrell; or even Schobert/Striker on day 3. Bosa would add some talent to the Dline but I find him more valuable inside, where his technique and moves have proven to be more effective. Against the run he missed more tackles than any other pass-rusher I've seen yet.. even when he's able to control his gap and the RB runs right into his arms he's not as effective as you people make him sound like. He even overruns many more plays you would desire for a top 10 pick. Calhoun, on the other hand, is not as flashy but he does his job. You'll never see him out of position. He possesses a higher football IQ, reads the screens with anticipation and takes good angles to cut those lanes off. Again, if anyone can show me that he's capable of winning around the corner on a constant base, please show me. I'm always willing to change my idea on things if what comes to light is convincing enough. I'm honestly trying to be as much unbiased as possible, even after his classless twitter rants and the unsalted interviews.

Trading back into the 10-20s makes sense to me as well. Why not with the Titans, who are said "not to be done with trading" and have now plenty of picks? Sure, it's an additional dose of speculation, but it's not too irrational. If either Ramsey or Tunsil fall to us they might opt to get back into the top 10 and give up like a 2nd, a 3rd and why not a future 3rd (which cumulated with the KO comp would give us 3 picks 5 picks in 2 days). I'm not saying I would accept it in a hearbeat but it's something one may consider.

Whaaat? No way he falls that far, not in such a weak class at least. He's always been worth a top 40 pick imo.

Indeed, 6 in the top 76.

I watched (for the second/third time) a few tapes today. Geez I didn't remember the guys was losing his balance that often... did they even check if he has labyrinthitis or something? coz it looks ridiculous. So many times in just 5 games.. and I'm not even posting of all of them. I keep advocating for him as a mere 4-3 DE or (better) as 3-4 DE, but not as an edge rusher in a pure 3-4. I saw him winning on the outside only a couple of times on 11 games. He'd better win immediately, with a counter or swim on B gap because he doesn't have the speed nor the bending to win outside (I have many other gifs supporting my point of view but I won't bother any longer). Also, once the Olineman can get the hands on his pads there's not much Bosa can do. If Bosa, Buck and VHIII are all on board at #6 I hope we go 1Buck 2VHIII 3Bosa. The only reason he's (barely) a top 10 pick is because this class is overall pretty week compared to last and next years' and because edge rushers are the highest valued position after the QB's.

Idk why it keeps quoting Joey.. I can't get rid of that. Maybe he has to get a notification every time someone mentions Ogbah, since he loves him so much . However, as I wrote few other times, I couldn't agree more. Idk how PFF could rank him as the second best pass-rusher or how can experts mock him in the first or second rounds. Do they all really weight stats that much? Or is it just us being as blind af? Coz when I hear his name there's only this kind of plays running in my mind.. no burst, tall pads, totally useless when engaged, lazy, stonewalled by TEs Even when he records some pressure or a sack he's either unblocked or displaying 0 bending/flexibility. If we end up drafting him on day 1 or 2 I'd be quite sad tbh.

As you say, I'll add this just for the fun's sake.. I highly doubt (and hope) we ain't see this happening. #1- We're going RB-OT (either order) with the first two picks, hence we won't address D until round 3. #2- We'll give up a next year pick in a trade-up move. #3- We don't address CB until round 4.

Did they even test him yet? I'm no work-out wizard but that looks way too jacked. http://upl.stack.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/18124330/Terron-Beckham-STACK.png Also, I don't really care how much he can post at the combine.. it's always the same ole story, you can make a case for any crazy olympian athlet like Bolt/Powell. Would you draft them to play them WR? If you can't read what's in front of you, if you can't improvise and get away with some fast footwork/weight transition and jukes, if he plays high pads, what do those numbers mean? he looks as stiff as a light pole in the RB drills.. this ain't bowling, you're not simply hitting the middle of the line hoping something happens. No doubt, I'd never spend a pick on a "player" with so many question marks.

I agree, if I were the Browns I would just go BPA with the #2 overall and wait for the second QB to get drafted, then I'd start to make pressure for a trade-up in order to land Lynch. If that doesn't work because the price is too high I would still wait for Hackenberg in the second.. they lost way too long, too many picks and too much talent on the same position for years.

maybe he'll be given a shot in the latest rounds but I've always liked DeAndre Washington of TTU.

exactly, just like Bucannon.. he's played so much in the box that he's considered a lb but he's clearly no Mike nor Sam nor prototypical ILB.. Jack wouldn't be an ILB either but they're perfect for the nickle.

you already mentioned Perine, King, Garrett so I'll keep stressing my love for Carl Lawson and I'll add Greg McMullen (DT, Nebraska) and Travin Dural in there. There must have been few other guys that I liked but that I can't remember in this moment; I'm editing the comment as soon as they come to mind. Edit: Jalen Hurd, RB, Tennessee

Probably my fav mock so far. Even with LT being unaddressed it can't be the end of the world; Castillo proved to be a very good O-line coach, turning late round prospects into valuable players. Good play-call would also def help Joe to get rid of the ball sooner than later. I only wonder how do you see the first 5 picks going because that's where everything is decided. Why shouldn't the Chargers get Buck, the most solid and with the highest upside DT in the draft, given they're desperate for inside help?

Same opinion here. In all honesty I didn't like the Buck pick (with Mike Davis still on board) and I just can't love him yet. He doesn't have a good vision; he misses to see big holes that would allow us big yardage and I recall him prefering to run into his tackler rather than take the outside leverage and a couple of yards along the sideline. As you say, we don't have the great RB depth we are brought to believe, but there's just not much alternative after Henry this year. My favourite guy is Washington of TTU.. he has a crazy start and stop motor, he's very shaky.. I think he's valuable as a 3rd down RB running some flat, screens or drags, given his ability to make people miss on the open field. I just wouldn't be sure of him as an every-down back and I wouldn't touch him before the late 5th-6th.

We could go on an entire day highlighting his effectiveness as a speed-rusher. He just wasn't asked to do so as much as Floyd. For most of the times he had to drop in zone coverage, which didn't really help him develope a good set of moves other than counters. However, here he he blitzes as a MLB and displays good hands strenght by bull-jerking the C ...and he's able to improvise; here he takes few inside steps and makes an effective spin to hit the gap. He's dragged by the collar (which shoul've drown a flag) but he created a play thank to his instinct. He uses his hands pretty well and naturally. Floyd is not known for being a good tackler, and even though Kyler might not be the very best either he's solid when reads the play, disengages from blocks and finishes. He does his job without getting overly aggressive and giving up big plays. What I mean with this is that I don't see such a talent gap between the two players to have me saying "there's 2-3 rounds between them". Floyd is considered a top 20, early second rounder at very best.. and even if he's a crazy athlet he does have some inconsistencies and limits. Fackrell has a big ground imo. Measurables? Check. Edge speed/bending? check. Coverage? check. Awarness, can he read plays? Check. Tackling? Check. He does have all the tools to be a solid player and develope in something more. His only cons are his age: he'll be 25 when the season begins; the lack of a pure bull-rush (well.. same problem of Floyd, but at least he has stronger hands); that he's partially unproven since he was under-utilized as blitzer imo.. the Georgia schedule is also not much harder than Utah St's so I can't say he had an easier life. Let me know what you guys think.

Ok i just finished to watch few Floyd tapes. Some days ago I did the same with Fackrell and made some GIFs out of some specific plays in order to highlight his best skills and to make a case for him being on the same tier of the Georgia prospect. I don't know whether Floyd pure athleticism or his big name college helped to improve his 'hype' most, but I find unjustified the silence surrounding the Utah State OLB. Floyd is faster off the LOS.. I mean, he's easily the fastest (and with probably the most explosive first step) OLB in this class; that definitely helped his versatility, allowing him to occasionally play with his hands in the dirt. This said, given the lack of functional strenght I doubt he will be able to do the same at the next level. Fackrell on the other hand needs some time and enough ground to take off and translate that speed into power. That's why I think they are both better suited as stand-up 3-4 OLBs or as MikeLBs. Just like for Shaq Lawson I didn't want to give you guys a GIF-headache but we're talking bout prospects and I don't see a better way to stressing someones' thought if not providing actual proofs. So: -here's showcased his ability to be the first putting his hands on the opponent, mantaining a good leverage and direction toward the QB. He could've had a strip had he started his QB pursue 0.1 seconds earlier, but he still got a hit and forced an incompletion. (If the GIFS were slower you'd appreciate them more but I'm no internet master..that's all I could do :D) Here he was very quick off the LOS and even if his pass-rushing lane was quite wide he showed a good body control and wasn't pushed off the play but continued to pursue the QB.. That reminded me of Bosa's probably biggest weakness.. he gets too easily neutralized when tries to get a too aggressive angle. This will never happened to Fackrell (careful, I'm not saying that he's better than Bosa.. just that while his speed rush, helped by his hips, is more effective around the edge). Pretty similar play; sudden acceleration and good finish. Here again, very quick get off, dip and pursue.

Because the organization stated we're bringing a playmaker in with the #6 and OT is simply not a 'playmaker' by definition. It's a key role but the ravens have starved for turnover machines for years, and there's no better year than this to make it happen. Also, even though Stanley is considered by manies very close to Tunsil in terms of pass protection, he was WASHED by Shaq Lawson last year.. the second best edge player who's likely going to get drafted in a 8-12 range. I wouldn't like the move honestly.

While watching the Temple tape of Will Jackson I was quite caught by Robby Anderson (WR of the Owls). CBS lists him between the undrafted players but he really looks like a round5-early 6 kind of player. He's not scared at all to work through the middle and has a crazy pair of hands. He might not be a go-to guy but with some rub routes (a-là Patriots) and especially corner/posts you might turn him into a valuable WR.

Boddy-Calhoun might turn some heads today. Not the most attractive/coveted CB, nor the fastest, but he can play the man and has a pretty good elevation, if I remember correctly.

Ok, sorry then, I got it wrong. However I still don't get why you talk about 'scouts'.. it's only us here, I don't recall to have quoted any oponion but mine.. that's why it sounded personal. I understand when you say that you can't judge a player on something he wasn't asked to do (C.Coleman with blocking for example). Brady provides us a small sample size of long passes and his offense is known for playing a ton of rub routes with slants crosses and posts.. is it because of him prefering the quick game or because he has a limitation? I'd say more the second.. he displays one of the worst long passes completion % in the NFL which is quite a proof of it. In Bosa case, I don't remember him beating anyone on the outside, using speed and bending around the corner.. is it because he preferes pure power and to use his hands or because he simply doesn't possess those skills? Again, I'd say the second.. he leans, loses his balance if asked to consistently do that. it's not like he's unproven.. he did have those assignments, but he didn't bode too well.

1. What garbage? I spent time taking notes of every snap. You don't have to agree but I would like you to keep a polite line.. you know, like adults do when they intend to have a serious exchange of views. 2. The reason he doesn't look as consistent as on the inside using bullrushes or counters, is not only because of his dipping.. he just doesn't mantain contact with his man while running around the corner and, if you then add his stiffness/unability to get lower, he's quite easily pushed off.. I don't think that you can easily teach a little bit of flexibility and there you have a great OLB, as you make it sound like. "he is so good with his strong arms he is not needing to bend and dip very often"... well..I think that physical limitations also come into equation there. He displayed them when falling to the ground on gameday, and slipping few times today.

ahahah sorry man, I had to... nothing personal tho and I agree, not saying he won't succeed on the edge anyway but I prefere him playing 3T than 5T,

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