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  2 hours ago, The Greek said:

when i saw pees pic i thought he had been fired. oh well!!

I have to say I chuckled to read your comment. I think Bisciotti is happy with mediocrity and I don't think any of our coaches are on the hot seat regardless of what the pundits and fans say.

Yeah, because owners that overreact and fire coaches with a ton of playoff wins and one losing season are the ones that are better than mediocre.....

yeah, sounds very familiar. sounds like an 8-8 team hoping for a conference weak enough to actually let them in the playoffs and attempt to manufacture a miracle with nothing but a good defense and a kicker....

you cant play like this anymore, it wont work. the 2K ravens averaged TEN points allowed per game and STILL only went 8-8. JUST 10. you'll never pull that off in this league again.

Feels like the guard in the front office is going to have to change soon.
Ozzie never does a bad job, but he cant put together an offense, he's not even trying anymore, and we cant win without one.
That's not going to work.

The 2k Ravens did not go 8-8. They went 12-4 and won the SB.

  3 hours ago, sami said:

I think a lot of people are going to be surprised at how well our current bunch of WR's do. And for goodness sake, NO MORE BOLDIN. Hes gone, get over it.

Exactly. I'm not sure why this Boldin pipe dream keeps gaining more momentum.

Maybe it's because we have plenty of speed at WR, but we don't have a reliable, physical possession receiver, and Boldin happens to be just that. Also, Harbaugh expressed interest in bringing him back, Ozzie emphasized the need to add a possession receiver, and as of right now, there isn't anyone else out there on the market, so I don't know why you would think it's just a pipe dream.

  21 hours ago, RavensBaltimore said:

  22 hours ago, JamesA119 said:

  22 hours ago, RavenInWoodlawn said:

LOL Jaime, please point out all these players the team invested in supporting Joe after the Super Bowl. We won the Super Bowl and on the back of Joe, and promptly traded away his go to guy, spent all the savings and cap money we had on defensive guys...half of whom were total busts and didn't last half the season, and then in the following 2 drafts...2013 and 2014, we had 7 picks in the top 3 rounds...and spent 6 of the 7 on defensive players!

That's not surrounding Joe with all the tools and weapons he needed to succeed. Jamie what in the world have you been watching since then?

Mr Woodlawn I can't tell you how disappointed I get when I hear the argument that Flacco carried us to the Super Bowl on his back. He surely played well (11 TD, 0 int) Did you watch Peyton Manning's post game interview after the mile high miracle? Reporters asked him why he didn't throw long much of the game. His response? " ... with #20 back there .... had to be careful with pushing the ball downfield ..."
The mile high miracle pass was awesome. It was really just short of a Hail Mary pass. That game ended on an int by Corey Graham a defensive player. The AFC championship in New England: we held the Patriots scoreless in the second half. We were down 17-7 at the half and won 27-17. People always down play the incredible play of the defense because of Flacco's offensive out put in that playoff run.

No one is saying Flacco won by himself, but he absolutely carried this team to the SB win. The defense made some clutch plays, but they also got torched in the SB, and the mile high miracle wouldn't have been necessary if our ST didn't give up 2 return tds. Flacco was great in every playoff game and was clutch in the 4th qtr. I dont think any other qb has ever won a SB in a postseason where their team gave up more than 30 twice. He torched Denver with the deep ball and carved up the Pats when they played their safeties deep. He had the best statistical postseason ever, and he did it without a dominant player like Moss, Harrison, or Gronk. You can always pick out clutch plays by a defense in any SB run ever. If Joe didn't carry this team to the SB in 2012, then no qb in the history of the game has ever carried their team to the SB. No qb has ever been better or more important to their team's success in a postseaon as Flacco in 2012.

So Joe threw to whom? Boldin? According you, no. Jacoby did what in Denver and in the SB? According you, nothing. The defense played much better than it did during the season for those 4 games. Yes, Joe had a remarkable 4 games but it was only possible because of the rest of the team, Boldin, Jones and others. Oh, and rah, rah Joe!

No, I never said no one else did anything. Stop putting words in my mouth. "Carry the team" is an expression. Do you understand the difference between a figure of speech and something meant to taken literally? No one argues that Brees, Rodgers, or Brady carried their team, yet none of them won anything without other players making plays, too.

  3 hours ago, RavensBaltimore said:

No one is saying Flacco won by himself, but he absolutely carried this team to the SB win. The defense made some clutch plays, but they also got torched in the SB, and the mile high miracle wouldn't have been necessary if our ST didn't give up 2 return tds. Flacco was great in every playoff game and was clutch in the 4th qtr. I dont think any other qb has ever won a SB in a postseason where their team gave up more than 30 twice. He torched Denver with the deep ball and carved up the Pats when they played their safeties deep. He had the best statistical postseason ever, and he did it without a dominant player like Moss, Harrison, or Gronk. You can always pick out clutch plays by a defense in any SB run ever. If Joe didn't carry this team to the SB in 2012, then no qb in the history of the game has ever carried their team to the SB. No qb has ever been better or more important to their team's success in a postseaon as Flacco in 2012.

Hilarious,  Flacco did what?  Are you kidding me?  April fool day has come and gone, LOL!

If it's so funny then name 1 qb in the history of the game that had a better statistical postseason then Joe in 2012. Name one thing in my post that was false. The fact that you think it's a joke shows you either didn't watch the SB run or you are completely unaware of the several postseason records that Joe broke or tied.

  1 hour ago, RavenInWoodlawn said:

LOL Jaime, please point out all these players the team invested in supporting Joe after the Super Bowl. We won the Super Bowl and on the back of Joe, and promptly traded away his go to guy, spent all the savings and cap money we had on defensive guys...half of whom were total busts and didn't last half the season, and then in the following 2 drafts...2013 and 2014, we had 7 picks in the top 3 rounds...and spent 6 of the 7 on defensive players!

That's not surrounding Joe with all the tools and weapons he needed to succeed. Jamie what in the world have you been watching since then?

Mr Woodlawn I can't tell you how disappointed I get when I hear the argument that Flacco carried us to the Super Bowl on his back. He surely played well (11 TD, 0 int) Did you watch Peyton Manning's post game interview after the mile high miracle? Reporters asked him why he didn't throw long much of the game. His response? " ... with #20 back there .... had to be careful with pushing the ball downfield ..."
The mile high miracle pass was awesome. It was really just short of a Hail Mary pass. That game ended on an int by Corey Graham a defensive player. The AFC championship in New England: we held the Patriots scoreless in the second half. We were down 17-7 at the half and won 27-17. People always down play the incredible play of the defense because of Flacco's offensive out put in that playoff run.

No one is saying Flacco won by himself, but he absolutely carried this team to the SB win. The defense made some clutch plays, but they also got torched in the SB, and the mile high miracle wouldn't have been necessary if our ST didn't give up 2 return tds. Flacco was great in every playoff game and was clutch in the 4th qtr. I dont think any other qb has ever won a SB in a postseason where their team gave up more than 30 twice. He torched Denver with the deep ball and carved up the Pats when they played their safeties deep. He had the best statistical postseason ever, and he did it without a dominant player like Moss, Harrison, or Gronk. You can always pick out clutch plays by a defense in any SB run ever. If Joe didn't carry this team to the SB in 2012, then no qb in the history of the game has ever carried their team to the SB. No qb has ever been better or more important to their team's success in a postseaon as Flacco in 2012.

I feel like this was an appropriate response to Flacco's mediocre play since his big game and contract. They tried building the team around Joe, hoping he would be like other top QB's and carry the team but he couldn't. You can say he never had pieces surrounding him to succeed and to a point I would agree but remember it was just last year that many of you were calling our receiver group the best in Ravens history. At least before the season started. Fact is Joe had adequate skill players to work with and should be able to produce more than he has. His injury sucked, sure, but he was what 1-6 before he got hurt? I'm not Joe bashing. He is a serviceable QB. But he is not someone to build a team around. The FO has now refocused their attention to what has worked in the past and that is a dominating defense. I for one couldn't be happier. I am do glad we don't have to sit through another season of defense falling short at the end of games. Joe will score points and hopefully they will be enough to win. 

I don't see how you can say he had adequate skill players when his top playmaker by far was a 37 y/o coming off an Achilles tear, who's play was diminishing the year before he got here. Then it was Wallace, who's career was taking a nose dive before he got here. People are acting like we gave Joe a legit chance to carry the team, but who did we draft for him? A bunch of TEs that can't stay healthy and Perriman, who has had one healthy season and was still very raw. Plus the line has had trouble opening up holes in the running game and giving Joe time to throw recently. There is not a qb in the league who could successfully carry a team with that. The only time hes had a realistic chance since the SB was 2014, and the offense put up at least 30 in consecutive playoff games. Even then, he didn't have a great receiving corps, just a solid one, but that's all he needs. You absolutely can build a team around Joe, but he needs more than aging veterans who are in decline, as everyone does.

I don't think there was any philosophical change at all, let alone a major one. This draft was labeled as deep with pass rushers and corners, and one of the weskest for o-linemen in a while. I think Ozzie just took what was available to him. There were some receivers projected to us, but none of them lasted beyond the top 10.

  29 minutes ago, billiejean said:

  1 hour ago, Flamengo1265 said:

Joe Flacco is gonna need life insurance......and apparently the Ravens don't have much confidence in Correa. I hope Williams doesn't become the next Rolando McClain.

What player have we drafted so far that would compete at the same position that Correa does? Do you think that Tim Williams is a good fit at ILB?

we drafted Correa to be a pass rusher not ILB lol and Judon out played him in the preseason so?

The team has said that Correa will be given a chance to move to ILB and start next to Mosley.

  1 hour ago, Flamengo1265 said:

Joe Flacco is gonna need life insurance......and apparently the Ravens don't have much confidence in Correa. I hope Williams doesn't become the next Rolando McClain.

All Flacco needs is a top defense and a running game. He's much better when he's a game manager. In the big picture, we'll be OK.

I disagree. When we relied heavily on our run game and defense, our lack of playmakers on offense always cost us in the playoffs. Flacco was at his best when we had decent pass protection and a mix of tough possession receivers and speed on the outside. We had that in 2012(won SB) and 2014, when we blew out piits in the playoffs and had 2 14 point leads in NE. I'd say all Flacco needs is decent pass protection. He's always been good when he has a reasonable amount of time to throw. Even last year, when our o-line was healthy, the offense was pretty good. It was the games with Yanda and Stanley out that put us in a hole. That being said, this is supposedly a weak o-line class and a deep class for pass rushers, so I have no problem loading up the defense in this draft. The needs at C and RT are concerning though.

I still say Ozzie puts way too much stock in these 4th/5th rounders. If you're guy is sitting there in the 1st round and you only have to give up a 4th or 5th to get him, then do it. We could have had Ramsey last year and he wouldn't part with the pick to get him. We ended up with the 3rd best lineman in the draft despite having the #6 overall pick.

I'm glad we got Stanley. I think he was the best rookie LT in the 2nd half of the season last year, and I think he'll be our franchise LT for a while. It's hard to find that, no matter where you pick in the draft. Our line was garbage without him last year, and we needed Stanley to keep Flacco from getting killed.

Our biggest problem in the secondary has been playing too far off the ball and giving up easy passes. We just got a big, physical corner who can play press and jam receivers at the line. That's exactly what we needed. It seems like we've had issues with screen passes and tackling in the secondary for a while, too, and Marlon should help with that as well. He has the size and speed to clean up his issues with deep passes and develop into a shutdown corner. That may take a year or two, but for now, I'd rather force teams to make yough, contested catches than let them play pitch and catch down the field like the Steelers did on the final drive on Christmas.

  16 minutes ago, RavensBaltimore said:

  25 minutes ago, The Negotiator said:

  31 minutes ago, terpmaniac said:

Our cornerback play last year and the year before stunk to high heaven. Ravens fans have been crying like little girls over our lack of choosing CB's in the draft. We pick one. Still not happy. Not surprised.

Yes but there were at least 8 players higher in he board. Best player available, guess not.

It's pretty cool that Ozzie let you see his board.

We all go to see his board

???

  8 minutes ago, terpmaniac said:

Our cornerback play last year and the year before stunk to high heaven. Ravens fans have been crying like little girls over our lack of choosing CB's in the draft. We pick one. Still not happy. Not surprised.

Yes but there were at least 8 players higher in he board. Best player available, guess not.

It's pretty cool that Ozzie let you see his board.

  4 hours ago, GENE2407 said:

We have a terrible habit of focusing on all the "good" in our players and completely ignoring the competition. We have no playmakers. At all. Period. Think Mike Wallace is "good enough"? Take a look at A Brown, Beckham, Bryant, Marshall and J Nelson. Chris Moore is a future star? Let me introduce you to Julio Jones. When guys like Mike Wallace are our #3 receiver, then you'll know we're back at the top.

Well guys like Mike Wallace were our #1 (Torrey Smith) when we were winning the Lombardi, so not very intelligent to suggest we won't be on top without one.

We're not trying to win a fantasy league or a Madden football game here.

Boldin was our #1 when we won the SB.

  3 hours ago, sami said:

This is exactly what we needed. Hamstrings and other muscle tears are usually caused when opposite muscles are different in strength. Its about time we recognized this.

Last season we had one of our best seasons health-wise - so it would seem that the guy who was in charge then, kinda figured it out, wouldn't it?

Saunders was hired last year. He played a role, but he didn't have total control of the training program. Our injury situation did improve from 2015, but injuries are really what derailed our season last year. During our 4 game losing streak, Suggs, Yanda, Stanley, SSS, Mosely, J. Smith, and Dumervil all missed time with an injury. Some of that is just bad luck, but that's a lot of key players out in such a short period of time. Plus, Perriman and Camp had non contact injuries before preseason, Watson tore his Achilles in preseason, and Max Williams and Gilmore both had injury issues(again). I'm not sure where you're coming up with the idea that last year was one of our best seasons health wise.

You read stuff like this before every single season. For every single team. It means nothing. It's words. Let's see how the boys do when the games start.

As our very own Johnny U said: "Talk is cheap. Let's play ball."

I guarantee you won't find a knowledgeable athletic trainer or physical therapist who thinks this is meaningless. Even before the Ravens hired Saunders, i was surprised when I saw videos of the training room with so many single joint machines that don't support functional movement. Look up the percentages of acl tears and muscle strains that are non-contact injuries. Muscle imbalances and inefficient motor patterns are often to blame. Training properly is not just "words". It makes a significant difference in performance and injury prevention.

Why do they keep projecting John Ross to us. We already have two speedsters; and no, he is not a good replacement for SSS. Corey Davis could be or maybe, Mike Williams.

I hear a lot of people say Ross isn't a good fit for us because"we already have speed." That's a terrible reason not to draft someone. I don't know if Ozzy is interested, but I do know that if he isn't, it's not because he's too fast. Too much speed has never hurt anyone. I've never heard anyone say, "they would have had a shot last year, but the thing that held them back was that they were just too fast." If he lacks route running ability, good hands, or toughness, that would be a legit reason to pass on him, but having 4.22 speed isn't going to hurt his ability to do any of those things.

  On Friday, April 07, 2017 at 0:24 PM, RavensBaltimore said:

  On Thursday, April 06, 2017 at 2:11 PM, designermaryland said:

On the positive side, It is actually slightly amazing the ravens are even relevant given they have drafted zero impact every down players in the past 8 years and continue to really miss on even first rounders, compared to their early success. Clearly something in the player evaluation process is failing them, or they just cannot make the players better due to the horrific coaching. Luckily they have found some decent veterans and hit on those, like Darryl Smith, Canty, Ricky Williams, Steve Smith to cover up the awful drafting and player development. But eventually, that catches up with you and the tide turns against you on the cap. If it were not for guys like Tucker, Orr and Pierce, this team would be scraping bottom. I hope they turn the draft luck around, but I have no confidence in Harbaugh developing anyone into an elite player.

How did you come up with "zero impact every down players"? Not that he's the only one, but have you ever heard of CJ Mosely?

Depends on your view of "impact player". An ILB who can't cover premium RBs isn't exactly high on my list either, but he's decent. Compare him to Patrick Willis, Luke Kuechly, Wagner, Jamie Collins, Sean Lee, and even Anthony Barr.........and you might change your mind. No team is game planning for CJ Mosley, and that's what usually defines an impact player to me.

I don't make up my own definitions. Mosley absolutely makes an impact on this team. You can debate whether or not he's top 5 in the league, but the defense is clearly better with him on the field, which means he's making an impact.

  5 hours ago, sami said:

considering who weve had at QB since 1996 , its no wonder none of the receivers we draft become elite.

Yeah. There's definitely a long list of WRs who came here, sucked, and then played well elsewhere.

O wait...

Yeah, a lot of the people blaming the qb or coaching staff for our issues with wrs are the same people that said Marlon Brown, Aaron Mallette, and several others would put up big numbers on other teams. How'd that work out? Most of the receivers that leave Baltimore have a huge drop in production or can't even stay in the league (i.e. Marlon, Torrey, Mason, Doss), and the recent veterans we have brought in had a resurgent year(Smith Sr, Wallace). I can't even think of 1 WR that wasn't productive here, then left and played well elsewhere.

On the positive side, It is actually slightly amazing the ravens are even relevant given they have drafted zero impact every down players in the past 8 years and continue to really miss on even first rounders, compared to their early success. Clearly something in the player evaluation process is failing them, or they just cannot make the players better due to the horrific coaching. Luckily they have found some decent veterans and hit on those, like Darryl Smith, Canty, Ricky Williams, Steve Smith to cover up the awful drafting and player development. But eventually, that catches up with you and the tide turns against you on the cap. If it were not for guys like Tucker, Orr and Pierce, this team would be scraping bottom. I hope they turn the draft luck around, but I have no confidence in Harbaugh developing anyone into an elite player.

How did you come up with "zero impact every down players"? Not that he's the only one, but have you ever heard of CJ Mosely?

  2 hours ago, rmcjacket23 said:

  2 hours ago, hen826957 said:

If we draft Mike Williams/Corey Davis and could sign Boldin on top of that, we could have a decent receiving core with Mike Williams/Corey Davis, Boldin, Mike Wallace, and Perriman. But for all of that, l wouldn't mind drafting Derek Barnett if they want to go a pass rusher route. Lot's of ways it could go out. 👍

If we use a first round pick on one of those guys, I highly doubt we would be interested in signing Boldin afterwards. Doesn't make much sense.

Yep..... I really don't see us going WR in round 1. I believe that we are looking OT or OLB.... Ramczyk , Cam Robinson, Hasson Reddick, Takkarist McKinley...etc.

I would be shocked if we went WR or RB in round 1. Not unhappy just shocked.

I say not unhappy bc if we do go WR / RB that means we have signed one of 5 players
Mike WIlliams
John Ross
Corey Davis
Leonard Fournette
Dalvin Cook

and all are very talented play makers who can come in and make an impact in this offense now! So I would be unhappy

I would be surprised however- surprised bc of how it would force our hand in rounds 2-5 and move us away from our mantra of best available player. We would have to begin to approach those rounds differently in order to fill holes.

With that being said... I see us going OT / OLB in round 1
(Unless Ozzie has something up his sleeve and I do believe that he is likely to trade back and acquire more picks in this stacked draft class!)

I dont think it would be shocking at all to get a wr in the 1st round. Perriman, who still needs to prove himself, is our only WR who is under 30 and had more than 7 catches last year. This may be Wallace's last year here, and there is no guarantee we will be able to sign Boldin, so we need a WR for this year and the future.

If the Ravens were confident that Jernigan was going to be a major factor this year, then get a huge deal in free agency that warrants a comp pick, I don't think they would have made this trade. Jernigan completely disappeared in the 2nd half of the season last year, and he's committed too many stupid penalties throughout his career. I think the coaching staff was ready to move on from him anyway, and they don't want to pass up an opportunity to get a much better pick because of the hope that a contract year will somehow motivate him to play consistently well throughout the year(for the first time ever).

Shanahan was my top choice for OC back then. Looking back, I still think he we should have hired him.

  1 hour ago, bioLarzen said:

  1 hour ago, drillem said:

All we need now is a good quarterback. And going by ship for that game in GB is similar to staying in Calif for a week between games a few years back. We all saw how that went. You get in a plane, you get there quick. You get on a ship and you just float for days. Who is making these decisions?

Well... sorry to have to break it to you, but...

 

1.) we already have a good QB - one that played rather poorly at stretches of last season - but not a bad QB by any measure;

2.) I'm afraid you've been fooled. That ship-thing was an April's fool prank.

Sorry to break it to YOU! No, the Ravens do NOT have a good QB. PJ's living quite famously off a wing and a prayer heave, botched by the safety. A lifetime QB rating of 84% for a ten year starter is AWFUL! You can see how bad Pathetic Joe and Self Righteous John have been since Lewis retired. You can make every excuse in the book you want for these two, but it doesn't change the facts.

I guess 24 TDs and 4 ints in the playoffs since 2010 isn't good. And blaming the best postseason of all time on one play is ridiculous. Did you forget about the special teams giving up 2 TDs in that game, or the other 10 TD passes Joe threw? How about the fact that he would've been in consecutive SBs if Lee Evans could catch? Qb rating doesn't take into account pass protection or playmakers, so that's not a valid argument. Look at our top receivers since Ray Lewis retired, and look how they play without Joe. In 2013, it was Torrey Smith and Marlon Brown. Torrey has done nothing in SF, and is Marlon even in the league anymore? In 2014, we got SSS, who only had about 700 yards in his final season in CAR, and he had over 1,000 yd s with Flacco, who was once again the best postseason qb, but our injury depleted secondary couldn't hold 2 14 point leads. In 2015, every skill player on offense got injured. Last year, we brought in Mike Wallace, who was not productive at all in Minn, but he also had a resurgent year with Joe. EVERY qb needs a good supporting cast to win.