Purple_City39

1 hour ago, kjbmore said:

gotta better things to do than converse with trolls, prob another alias but here we go again

not an argument, just making a comment that i felt we may reach for some guys or we may throw some guys in prematurely and it could hurt the team and the players development

please dont tell me we draft bpa and ozzie doesnt draft for need - we lose torrey draft breshad, lose reed draft elam, owen daniels leaves draft maxx, ray retires draft brown, how are all those picks working out for the ravens so far - browns gone, elam might be, maxx spent a season on IR, see how breshad turns out, half the reason we may be in this hole is because were drafting need and not bpa

when we have as many holes as we do - i think its fair to assume some rookies will get a look and again far to say we may reach for guys who fill a need - again I say - may, assume - im not saying this is definitive - its a possibility - what makes me think this?  the fact we just did it in 2016, as in start rookies or ask them to contribute and the fact we've done it previously - please see for examples - breshad perriman, maxx williams, arthur brown, terrence brooks, matt elam  

its a comment based on track record, we might plug every hole in FA and go flat out bpa

 

You do know that every team that drafts on a "BPA" system basis it on need also, right?  You think it's a coincidence that team's with a young franchise QB in place that draft early never draft a QB in the first or second round?  Because it'd be stupid to draft a QB that high who may very well be BPA when all he'll do is sit behind your franchise guy for years.

Who knows, maybe it's a coincidence the Steelers spent a 1st round pick on Jarvis Jones the year James Harrison went to Cincy.  Or that Cincy ends up with a second round QB after Palmer refuses to play for them.  Or....or, maybe every team's BPA board has a metric that includes need.

14 hours ago, EdTheMythicalOne said:

Why do people read far too much into things than are there. It is pretty freeking obvious if YOU didn't say something about a player and I make a post about it (because you know, I can multi-task in a post) then I am obviously not referring to it if if it was nothing you ever said. For crying out loud.

Dude, mince words all you want but if you include a #1 in your sentence, then obviously you meant it. Guys just don't get handed jobs just because. You don't make a guy a main receiving threat if he can't catch and can't get open. If that were the case Ed Dickson would still be our TE because he was drafted ahead of Dennis Pitta even though Dickson couldn't even catch a cold.

Amazing how you choose to talk about people reading into things, then admittedly point out that because you saw the phrase "#1" you took it basically how you wanted it as opposed to how I specifically said it.  Hypocrites are an interesting group.

I said what I said and I explained it clearly.  Continue to do with it how you choose.

Either way, many players have been giving starting jobs due to being drafted in the first round.  There's zero reason not to do that now.  We can talk about Perriman's drops but which WR on the Ravens didn't have an issue with those outside of Camp in very limited time?  You give your highest ceiling WR the most chances, plain and simple

1 hour ago, EdTheMythicalOne said:

That's all on Perriman. You can't just "make a guy" be a #1 receiver if he can't get open and can't catch the football.

Boldin wouldn't be ahead of anyone. He'd be a sub in package guy for third downs and short yardage redzone plays. If you need him to step up into something more than that, he can.

Funny how people that slobber all over Aiken who think he's Boldin, don't want Boldin who actually is Boldin and does things Boldin does that Aiken never did.

Was all of this directed at me, because I don't recall mentioning Aiken, let alone slobbering.  I've actually never cared for AIken, so I'm curious as to whether that was an unknown and pointless addition or if it had something to do with what you think I said.

In terms of making Perriman a starter, if you noticed I said make him "the #1 or #2" not "a #1".  You can definitely make any player you want a starter and see how they do and the Ravens have done it a ton of times with 1st round picks so that's not an issue.  Whether he becomes a true #1 WR is another story that we'll have to wait and see

1 hour ago, January J said:

What about Boldin himself? I believe he's a FA...he seems to still be producing...would it hurt to bring him in on a 1 year deal and draft another youngster to develop? I don't see much downside- and I'm sure he'd highly consider a Baltimore reunion.

1)Wallace 2)Perriman 3) Boldin 4) Rookie x  5)campanaro 6)moore

doesnt sound like a bad corps..and you could actually afford to bring in another vet as well in that case.  How about:

1) Wallace 2) Garcon 3) Boldin 4)  Perriman 5) Rookie x 6) Campanaro 7) Moore

that would be 3 burners - 2 possession receivers and 2 potential slot receivers. Just a thought. Depending on perrimans development ofcourse he could work his way up- but I think he might still be just 1 year away. So a 1 year stop gap in a vet such as Boldin may not be a bad idea. Then again I really should've done my homework first BC I'm not even sure if he's available.

I think the Ravens need to stop putting all their eggs in the free agent WR basket and actually learn to develop their own.  Perriman has a ton of potential and has yet to have a true offseason.  He will grow from that also but having him be #3 behind 4 older WRs (the 2nd option) wouldn't help that growth either.

I'd rather see the Ravens make him the #1 or #2 and see what he can do in 2017 as opposed to waiting until the last year of his deal to watch him break out and go somewhere else (see Kruger, McPhee, etc).  All that said, Option 1 I'd be fine with minus the fact I really don't think Boldin should come back

37 minutes ago, BNat said:

Wow really? so damn cocky when this team lost to them year after year until their defense retired all at once.

Huh??? By "their defense retired all at once" I take it you mean Hampton, Keisel, Smith, Polamalu, and Taylor?  The earliest of all them to retire was Smith after the 2011 season.  We'll use that as our starting point. 

2011 - 2-0
2010 - 1-2
2009 - 1-1
2008 - 0-3 (ouch)
2007 - 1-1
2006 - 2-0
2005 - 1-1
2004 - 1-1
 

Stopping here  because they didn't have all those players until this season as it was Polamalu's first season as a starter.  8 year record against the Steelers with their defense" 8-9.  And that's because we had to start a division 3 rookie QB who was supposed to be the 3rd string QB before injury and sickness happened to the two QBs ahead of him.  This also ignores the fact that the Ravens took over the rivalry even though "our defense" started leaving.  Thomas, Scott, Pryce, Rolle, and McAlister all left between 07 and 2010.

18 minutes ago, AsianRice said:

Harbs said marty isn't the problem; it's the o-line, QB, and WRs.  Then, how Kubiak takes bunch of street WR and RB to top 10 offense?

 

Harbs even said he needs more playmakers on the offensive side of the ball, which is true, but that won't solve any of the horrific playcallings...

 

I don't know what Harbs sees that us fans don't see?

IMO, Harbaugh is 100% right.  The o-line couldn't open up running lanes and struggled at times to protect the QB.  I don't care who your coordinator is, run plays won't work if the o-line can't run block and all passing plays need to be quick if they can't pass block.

The QB issues don't need discussing.  We all saw it.

The WRs struggled getting open all season.  They also dropped a good amount of passes as a unit.

I don't know what "street" WR Kubiak had.  Torrey and Steve were his top two with Aiken his #3 (just like he was this season behind Steve and Mike).  If Forsett was the street RB (very good career rushing average per attempt even before Baltimore) then surely West and a rookie weren't better options on paper

10 minutes ago, balfan23 said:

That's who SI has us taking, but I'll be stunned if we go WR with our first pick. Not saying it can't happen, it just isn't the way our FO seems to operate on draft day. 

Honestly, they need to at this point.  SSS is gone, Aiken sounds like he's gone, and with Wallace being an 8M hit with a 5.75M savings, I wouldn't be shocked if he's gone.

They need to actually start adding playmakers on offense and Davis seems like one.  A hands catcher that will fight for passes.  We need more of that.  Of course being realistic, the Ravens will get another older WR in free agency and then don't address WR again until the 4th or 5th round of the draft

6 minutes ago, Ravenseconbeast said:

ROFL.  If he performed exactly as he did this season, he will be out of the woods in less than a year anywhere else.   You must have forgotten every game other than the last 3 weeks of the season, b/c defense carried this team.  It was statistically top 10 in every category.  

With the way he perform he would be where Brock Osweiler, Jay Cutler would be.  Which is either a backup job or get canned in the NFL doing what he seems to consistently do well.  Which is makiing babies @ offsesason and throwing INTs at the most stupidest crunch time(that clutch factor boys!)

Just the last 3 games of the season?  Every other game was carried by the defense?

What about the Oakland game were just threw 61%, 300 yards, no INTs and the defense gave up 28?

How about Dallas when he threw 65%, 269 yards, no INTs, and the defense gave up 27 points AND let Dallas eat up pretty much all the clock in the second half?

New England wasn't part of the last 3 games.  71%, 320 yards, 1 INT, 30 points allowed by Baltimore though.

Let's actually take Joe out of it and focus on the defense now.  Remember when Eli threw for 400 yards with 212 going to Beckham Jr. in one half?

This is almost half a season's worth of bad defensive performances, but you say they carried the team?  Don't get me wrong, the offense was not good, but let's not over hype the defense due to skewed numbers from playing the juggernaut offenses in Cleveland, Jacksonville, Buffalo, etc.  Did this dominant defense stop one good offense all year?  Just checked, every top 10 offense we faced moved up and down the field at will against our top 10 defense.

I haven't even mentioned allowing 35 of Pittsburgh's 45 points in the 4th quarter.  I haven't mentioned the many 4th quarter leads given up.  

But yeah, keep telling yourself the defense was actually great or even deserving of that top 10 ranking.  Both units need improvement

9 hours ago, sp3ctor said:

I just want to take this opportunity to say Mike Williams, WR, Clemson.
Let's begin the petition now

Likely isn't there at 16.  Got a one for you.  Corey Davis, WR, Western Michigan

Oh then you're right.  Every dime paid to a player will eventually count against the cap.  No way to avoid that

21 hours ago, PurpleCity5 said:

Some people might criticize me for this, but I think Breshad Perriman was a bright spot. There were times where he disappeared but there are so many elements that factored into his season. He was injured, didn't get enough reps, didn't build any chemistry with Joe at all and didn't really get targets being the #4 option on the team. In that sense, 500 yards is more than fine with me. 

What really impressed me is what he does YAC, I didn't expect it to be such a big part of his production. Guy is ridiculous fast and breaks tackles, I really think it was a missed opportunity not getting the ball in his hands more, and you know what? He's more elusive than I thought. 

I hope that he's able to build more with Joe, this guy can be a serious beast in the NFL. I can't wait for him. 

Honestly, it seemed like Perriman was the #5 or #6 options behind SSS, Wallace, Pitta, Aiken, and which ever RB Joe wanted to check down to.  Honestly, 500 yards and 3 TDs for an player below the #3 option is pretty good.  He also probably made the most spectacular catches on the team

22 minutes ago, OUravensfan said:

Schedule is the schedule, we really need to sweep the Bengals it's getting ridiculous. 

I'm just happy we finally beat them.  I can overlook week 17 to a degree because the team never came out the locker room

10 minutes ago, rmcjacket23 said:

Source?

Is this about Tom's recent restructure?  If so

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/tom-bradys-new-contract-protects-him-from-deflategate-suspension/

His "base salary" dropped and the cap hit dropped, but he received a 30M bonus if I'm not mistaken and since the salary itself dropped, he ended up saving 2M since there was less to take away during his suspension.  Brady's been doing cheap restructures for awhile now that never actually reduce the actual cash he gets, they just manipulate the salary cap hits

11 minutes ago, redrum52 said:

You people seem to have no understanding of how ugly these games would be if the defense was as bad as the offense all season.  

 

Kool tho...

This is what I don't get about the Pees hate.  We'd have likely been a 3-4 win team if the defense was as bad as many say.

Don't get me wrong, they collapsed a lot, especially the garbage they put out the last month, but the defense was primarily the only reason we were in most games

16 minutes ago, GrimCoconut said:

I said it in the other thread but if we're sticking with Marty then build the offense to pass the ball and air it out all day and use the pass to set up the run. Get rid of Zuttah or make him a backup by signing Tretter or drafting a center high and instill more weapons at WR. 

I'm probably in a minority but I'm glad Pees is sticking around. I think his defense could be great if we actually gave him a good young pass rusher and another quality CB across from Jimmy for once. I like Young but I'd rather have Jones and Smith outside and Young inside. Regardless we need more talent back there. The defense wasn't bad it just got exposed for its old pass rushers. 

I'm right there with you.  Pees showed he could have a top 3 offense with one legit CB and no pass rush.  That CB got hurt and everything went to hell.  Give him a real pass rush and another legit CB and the defense will shine.

I'm not losing my mind of retaining Mornhinweg but I'm not super excited about it either.  I'm giving it a "wait and see" approach

Not really surprising.  I'm more surprised at all the people that are surprised lol

So what's the OP's opinion now that Harbaugh has kept all coordinators and basically thrown nobody under the bus?

Only real prediction I can think of that doesn't already seem incredibly obvious is that they lowball Wagner because of Lewis.

Smith retiring, Dumervil cut, Williams being overpaid elsewhere, Zuttah being replaced, and even possible Wallace and Webb being cut due to money all seem obvious at this point

Without blaming coaches, the issues with the Ravens are as follows imo

- penalties
- lack of CB depth
- inconsistent WRs
- inconsistent pass rush

Other things aren't "great", but they aren't bad enough to consider it a major issue

3 minutes ago, Ravens4Real said:

Well you initially didn't include Oline. I'd take theirs right now over ours. I believe most/if not all of theirs were drafted.

May get flack for this but they are better at drafting RB's than us. They have had some very solid ones and Bell is already better than anyone we ever had (sorry Ryan Rice). I'm too young to know if Ozzie was around to draft Jamal Lewis. How about at QB? It's laughable if anyone says the Ravens are better at drafting QB's than them. Mostly because they have had many more years to hit on great ones.

Can't really argue anything on the D side. Defensive line, we have both drafted very well in that area. Williams, Ngata and co. Are comparable to a lot of theirs in Heyward and Tuitt ( who's going to be a stud if not already). And 

Im just arguing objectively for some of these. There's no way a team makes the super bowl 3 times in the past 11 years and don't have a good draft room.

(This is more in terms of recent years) 

Yes, Ozzie drafted Jamal Lewis.  Ozzie has been around since the Ravens came to town, so he also picked up Priest Holmes from the undrafted pool as well (since we're going that far back.  Outside of Bell, what Steelers RB has been truly that dynamic since, let's say, 2000?  Parker and Mendenhall has good 2 or 3 year stints each, but neither was better than Rice (Ray Rice btw).  Jamal's legacy can be argued also as one of the few RBs in NFL history to rush for 2k AND was once the single game rushing leader prior to Peterson taking that from him.

6 minutes ago, hn68wb4 said:

Anyone that'd argue that their GM is better than Ozzie is simply not thinking straight. Ok, make the argument, what other positions outside WR and Oline do they draft better than/equal to Ozzie?

Even o-line is very close imo.  I'd give them OLB actually over ILB, at least over the last decade.  That may be it.

19 minutes ago, frozen joe flacco fan said:

No. Your post just exceeded your capacity. I don't want to hire Marvin Lewis either but your point just reinforces why John Harbaugh isn't Bill Belichek. So, the Bradyless-Pats went 11-5 in '08. After Joe Flacco got hurt last year, wasn't our record 5-11. Every team has to play thru injuries. We won two more games without Joe in the lineup and one of them was an absolute gift from the Squealers.

Horrible comparison.  I don't get how people can KNOW things aren't even and then try to compare them evenly.

Did the 08 Patriots also lose their #1 RB, #1 WR, starting LT, best OLB, starting DE, #1 draft pick,starting center,  starting TE, and enough backups to break a team record of players on IR under the current HC?  If they did, you have a fair comparison to make.  But they didn't.

40 minutes ago, edthehead said:

from the moment harb came in 

i have always been against it, he is a ST coach 

we had the players in place for him to succeed , but once he implemented his players 

and staff, well it's been downhill , people here need to stop making excuses

we need an offensive minded HC,

this is not meant to crap on harb

have anybody read Bernard Pollard tweet

 

  

Why do people keep showing this quote?  And what was special that they broke up?  Boldin was traded and Pollard was cut.  That's pretty much it.  Birk retired, Lewis retired, Reed chased money.

Where was Pollard in 2014 when the Ravens did well?  Hell, where is Pollard in general?  Home because 4 different teams decided he wasn't worth keeping and the other 28 decided he wasn't worth signing

I've said it for years, mostly elsewhere, that the problem was health and not Pees.  Pick a year, he's had some very injured defenses.  I think 2013 was the healthiest defensive year previously and they finished in the top 10.  And what he did with that 2014 secondary after Jimmy went down was nothing short of miraculous, especially against the Steelers.  Belichick, unfortunately, is on another level of gameplanning

3 hours ago, January J said:

Was so awesome to finally see it first hand..been waiting all year. We need to get him in space and hit him in stride more often and he can make things happen. I'm telling yall ppl keep saying he's Torrey 2.0 or not even as good as Torrey- this kid will be 5x better..mark my words.

People are too quick to dump speed players in the same category.  Just looking at both of their college tapes alone, it was obvious Breshad was going to be the better player.  Torrey's tape at MD feature tons of body catches.  In fact, off memory from when I watched in 2011, I remember all body catches in stride.  The speed was obvious though.  Meanwhile, Perriman's tape showed hands catches, high pointing the ball, leaping ability, catches in traffic, etc.  Literally everything you'd want of a WR.

I'll admit he wasn't on my radar at that point, but after doing research, it was obvious he was a far more athletic WR than Torrey Smith.  We're slowly seeing examples that show that statement to be true